2009-10-28, 23:37 | Link #21 |
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Simply you can't use law to stop people willingness. If it take the fansubber to learn different language, then spend countless hours each week to release something free out of passion.... no amount of law can completely stop them. I myself read a copy version of manga that were copied by hand (redraw, you can say) panel to panel, just so they can be distributed freely.
The only way that the anime industry could do to prevent privacy is either distribute it themselves or get rid the passion out of anime audience. However, if the anime corporation have the ability to replace fansubbers as anime distribution worldwide, they have already done so with success. They couldn't do that back when streaming through internet is impossible, i wonder how they can do it now. Maybe they can win over the mass through proving the negative effects that "free riders" are putting on the product quality. But it's even more impossible
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2009-10-29, 00:21 | Link #22 |
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First off, CODA has a lot of work to do if they want to promote "...legal distribution of Japanese content".
• No one would buy Japanese content if they can't understand every single word. The language barrier is just so huge that fansubbers most likely win over legal raws in this aspect. • Prices nowadays aren't patterned on the target market. e.g. A DVD of Shakugan no Shana S worth more than 6000 yen is a repulsive cost for a person who only focuses only on the show, and none of the extra stuff attached to it. They just look like they are forced to act when they didn't give a damn in the first place. • Also, there are at least a million sites hosting free anime shows and stuff on the Internet. It will be more of a hassle to the legal side of this situation to handle each and every site. And even though you managed to take out one, more will take its place. I don't want to say that it's a lost cause, but if they keep on making wrong moves for the next few months or years, the effects of "piracy" will be almost irreversible.
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2009-10-29, 00:39 | Link #23 | |
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I'm not really sure the masses can do anything about free riders (AKA the people who never buy anything)... one person's decision not to download seldom has an impact on anyone elses.
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2009-10-29, 00:52 | Link #24 | |
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That said, whether this gimmick will work in the long term is yet to be seen. The only series in the last few weeks that has had notables DVD sales is Hetalia Axis Powers, which has consistently hit around 20k sales each volume, which is a fair achievement considering almost any series this year has struggled to crack 10k in that format. K-ON!'s latest volume struggled to reach 5k. Would be interesting to see some accurate Blu-Ray numbers but the two competing firms don't like to show numbers much, only positioning. Notably, the majority of Bake and K-ON! sales have been on Blu-Ray.
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2009-10-29, 02:19 | Link #25 |
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They seem to have different mindsets when it comes to quality. :/
Well, I could say it would work for the meantime, as long as minimum to no profound changes are seen between the screenings and the DVD versions.
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2009-10-29, 08:34 | Link #28 |
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If I had a dollar for every time I read on a blog, various forums or Sankaku that people bought the Blu-rays primarily for the missing scenes or the added service in those 2 series, I'd be loaded.
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I could be wrong, but I can't imagine that it's all that expensive to make a commentary track for a DVD. Pay a key voice actor, a key script-writer, and a couple other important people to sit down and hold a commentary over muted/low volume episode content. You only have to pay them for a hour's extra work, max. This can be incredibly informative and fun. Quote:
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I, and many anime fans, enjoy making AMVs in our spare time. I can't do that with out a downloaded copy of the anime episode content, of course. In order to make an AMV, I need to have the content on my computer. Preventing people from downloading the anime episode is a big problem, in my opinion. If people are paying a fee - even a small, nominal fee - to watch the episode in the first place, the least they should be able to do is also download the episode. You may be right that some anime fans expect too much, but there's truth on the flip-side... some content providers have ridiculous expectations over how much control they should exert over what happens to the content that they make. This relates to a lot of "fair use" debates going on in the legislative and judicial arenas right now. To put it in a nutshell, modern copyright law is horrifically slanted against play-by-the-rules consumers. But... that's a huge debate in and of itself. I raise it briefly here just to point out that the "wants to have their cake and eat it too" issue isn't only on the fan's side... it's also on the content providers side.
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2009-10-29, 10:50 | Link #30 | |
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I'd love to see the industry recognise that fans love to play with their content and offer appropriate packages for us to buy. I've dabbled some in creating MADs, but it was a pain to clean up all the audio and video material. What I'd love to see from the industry would be another step toward the so called remix culture that is now more vocal than ever before, for example offer us DTOs with production material bundles. I'm positive kids on NicoNico Douga would eat that shit up. |
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2009-10-29, 14:36 | Link #31 | ||
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Second, the "I want to see it for free" crowd can be subdivided into those who are and aren't willing to buy stuff after they've seen it. The fansub downloaders I know in real life range from people who will spend money building massive, multi hard drive media servers yet won't buy any DVDs to people who have 600 DVD collections to straight out of high school university students who have a lot of incomplete series because they couldn't afford to complete the sets they started collecting but would by the first volume or two anyway. So they're hardly a monolithic block. As to Crunchyroll, I'm not actually sure that its problem is simply the lack of downloadable copies. If the typical fansub downloader who watches maybe 6-8 shows a season could pay $60 a year for high def streams of those 6-8 shows per season, I think a lot of them would. Problem of course is that for most people, a large chunk of those 6-8 shows won't be available on CR (none of my favourites list from January to September 2009 were on CR). And if you only really care about 1-2 shows per season, then suddenly $60 a year doesn't look like a good deal anymore. Crunchyroll does a really good job monetizing the "streams everything anyway and doesn't care about image quality" crowd, but they aren't really so hot on providing what other fansub watchers want. Quote:
Personally, I think it might be a good idea to separate the market into cheap downloads and physical collector's editions - especially after seeing how a lot of my friends have embraced Steam as their source of choice for PC games they could download for free - but that's just me.
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2009-10-30, 09:37 | Link #33 |
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Which is one of the reasons I don't like the idea of Crunchyroll being the only streamer in some regions. Plus they would get choose what they want to play - there's a potential to miss out on a lot of material.
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2009-11-01, 12:55 | Link #34 |
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the attempt to stop fansubbing for viewership in other countries makes so little sense to me?
how many people buy dvds without being fansub watchers? what % of the people at cons and buying merchandise don't get a huge portion of their anime through fansubs? i agree with the whole thing about buying a dvd for a collector's item rather than to see the show. why would i buy a super high priced anime dvd set if i haven't seen the show. also why are anime dvds so expensive anyway? i doubt american dvds are this expensive in japan. |
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I don't know if it's Japan's pay structure is even close to the US but the min pay time in the US is 2 hours for any time in the studio. This is why the lack of US commentary tracks on anime DVDs. (Yes, we usually don't want to hear what they have to say anyway, but some people like the extra for some reason.) Quote:
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