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Tiresias · 2012-05-13, 01:09

Maybe elaborate more on the idea? No offense, but it's hard to comment on something so vague...

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:12

Mid Childa Grail War

Masters:

+ Yuuno Scrya: Mage, considered a failure by his family due to his pacifist nature. Enter the war in hope of proving his worth, along with a hidden agenda.

+ Chrono Harlaow: Mage, participate to find out what happened to his father during the last war.

+ Carim Gracia: Church priestess, under orders from higher ups.

+ Shamal: Mysterious mage, wishing to reunite with her old friend

+ Lily Strosek: Join the war due to pressure from her creators. Dreams of having a normal life.

+ Erio Mondial: Amnesiac, wish to know about his past and family.

+ Regius Gaiz: TSAB officer, power is his primary desire.
Servants:

+ Master Class Identity

+ Shamal Saber Signum, Knight of Fire. Wish to undo one her past mistakes.

+ Yuuno Archer Nanoha, White Devil.

+ Chrono Lancer Fate, Black Lightning. Wish to save her sister.

+ Erio Rider Caro, Dragon Rider.

+ Carim Caster Hayate, Queen of the Night Sky. Wish to save her mentor, Reinforce the First.

+ Lily Berserker Touma, Black Knight. Wish to prevent his Eclipse infection.

+ Regius Assassin ???

+ ??? Caster Reinforce the first, Empress of Darkness. Wish to rid herself of the corruption the darkness brought forth.

Side characters:

+ Scaglietti family: A sort of underground mercenary, led by Jail Scaglietti. Members include his 12 daughters. Pose as normal family by day.

+ Nakajima family: A famous family, known for it charity works.

And many others.

There's still a lot of works to be done, but this is the bare background
Edited a few things.

Justin_Brett · 2012-05-13, 01:14

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Touma, Black Knight. Wish to cure his Eclipse conditions.

Wouldn't that be useless with how Servants work?

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-13, 01:14

About the zombie apocalypse i guess the Aces and Forwards will be more suceptible but the Wolks and the Numbers will probably have more resillent minds to this kind of horrors.

The Wolks used to be abominations themselves and more likely have witnessed lots of horros made by Belkan magic and science (Book of Darkness, Craddle, Mariage, Eclipse. The list keeps incressing and getting more and more gruesome with each new discovery). As for the numbers they had been trained to wtiness and perform murder and terrorism since birth so they could face such hell better than most conventional trained TSAB officers.

As for the Holy Grail war i already imagined several versions of it. Usually with multiverse crossover of anime characters (Bason from Shaman King as Lancer for example xD). But it will be amusing to see Nanohaverse characters as Servants and Masters xD

Do you plan to mix Nasuverse characters or replace the entire cast with Nanohaverse ones xD?

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:17

@Justin
I'm confused. You mean the Eclipse conditions, or how to cure it?

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-13, 01:19

Re-watched the list xD

By the look of the list seems the important masters will be Yuuno, Carim and Regiuz with the others as mini-arc prominent characters or supporting cast. I wonder who could be Shamal's lover o.o

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:22

... Her Servant, duh.
My idea for this War is that except for Regius and Assassin's Master, all the others have honorable wish, and that they all wish to achieve.
A conflict between desire and conscience.

Tiresias · 2012-05-13, 01:23

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Originally Posted by Lhklan

@Justin
I'm confused. You mean the Eclipse conditions, or how to cure it?

Servants are dead people. Why need a cure when you're already dead?

Poor Assassin class, always getting the short end of the stick....

Justin_Brett · 2012-05-13, 01:23

Well, correct me if I have this wrong, but most Servants in Fate/Stay are basically magical copies of the hero in question and not calling the actual person, yeah? So Touma wishing that probably wouldn't do anything, since he'd still be a potential Servant to summon.

Like, Achilles couldn't go 'I wish my heel was invulnerable, too' if he got a wish, I don't think.

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-13, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Lhklan

... Her Servant, duh.

But Shamal's wish is to be reunited with her lover, if Signum ends up being her lover then her wish is already fulfilled and her fight for the grail pointless. Plus, it will be refreshing to see something different from the overly-cliched Sigmal pairing, that's too easy xDU

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:29

@Tiresias @Justin
Servants are recorded at the strongest of their lives, if I remembers correctly. Touma was at his strongest when the Eclipse was at its maximum effects, so it also went with him.
The chance of the wish being fulfilled is 50-50. Beside, it's not like Servants with impossible wish is new (looking at you, Archer).
Also, the reason Touma wants to remove it is due to the intense blood lust he got. Even in the ToH, he's still alone, because whenever he saw someone, EV kicks in, categorizing the other as a threat and force him to attack.
@Akiyoshi+
Duly noted. Though now I need to find a pairing for Shamal. *sigh*

Justin_Brett · 2012-05-13, 01:37

Archer's wish wasn't to the Grail, though, it was something he kept hoping would happen by random chance. And don't Servants have a good understanding of how they work, and know what couldn't affect them like that? I don't think the Throne of Heroes really let them socialize much, either.

Tiresias · 2012-05-13, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Lhklan

Also, the reason Touma wants to remove it is due to the intense blood lust he got. Even in the ToH, he's still alone, because whenever he saw someone, EV kicks in, categorizing the other as a threat and force him to attack.

Can Heroic Spirits even interact that way in Throne of Heroes? There was never any indication that Heroic Spirits even met others there.

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:39

... Do you have any suggestions? The wish can be changed, but I just don't know what he would wish for... Would Touma want to see his family again? Coudl that work?
This is an AU, BTW.

Justin_Brett · 2012-05-13, 01:42

Could always go for a Saber deal - try to go back in time and keep himself from being infected in the first place. Which he could probably do by saving his village, for a two-for-one deal.

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 01:45

Hmm, thanks Justin. That works.
As for Shamal, I decided to change it, so that she only wants to be reuinted with her best friend, Signum.

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-13, 02:04

If you really want to play the "lovers" card you could always twist things up a bit. Let's see, you can, for example, to have Shamal happy to have managed to summon her friend/lover and she's already satisfied but then something happens that forces her to enter the fight for the grail seriously.

It can be anything from Signum feeling the unnatural need to fulfill her purpouse as a servant or both being attacked and get awareness of the need to finish the war to be truly reunited. Or maybe Shamal is disillusioned by Signum just being a shadow of her former self casted as a servant. Or simply Signum wants to win the war so Shamal will be safe from other servants. Maybe Shamal is in fact searching for a deceased lover but grows fond of Signum during the course of the war and learns that she must leave the dead to rest in peace ...Or just maybe external circunstances force or motivate them to take their part on the battle xD

There's a myriad of ways to develope this xD

Lhklan · 2012-05-13, 02:07

Hmm, thanks Aki. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th reasons sounds... interesting...

rxrx · 2012-05-13, 20:55

Well, if it is possible, one can make a very dark fic which has Type Moon crossover with Nanoha, but with Emiya Kiritsugu as the main character. Making the long story short, I doubt Fate, Arf, Precia, Hayate, the Wolkens, the numbers, Jail and any other villains will get to survive.

Justin_Brett · 2012-05-13, 21:08

Thinking that sort of goes against the point of Kiritsugu.

2012-05-13, 01:09	Link #661
Tiresias Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pekanbaru (UTC+07:00) Age: 37	Maybe elaborate more on the idea? No offense, but it's hard to comment on something so vague... __________________

2012-05-13, 01:12	Link #662
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	Mid Childa Grail War Masters: + Yuuno Scrya: Mage, considered a failure by his family due to his pacifist nature. Enter the war in hope of proving his worth, along with a hidden agenda. + Chrono Harlaow: Mage, participate to find out what happened to his father during the last war. + Carim Gracia: Church priestess, under orders from higher ups. + Shamal: Mysterious mage, wishing to reunite with her old friend + Lily Strosek: Join the war due to pressure from her creators. Dreams of having a normal life. + Erio Mondial: Amnesiac, wish to know about his past and family. + Regius Gaiz: TSAB officer, power is his primary desire. Servants: + Master Class Identity + Shamal Saber Signum, Knight of Fire. Wish to undo one her past mistakes. + Yuuno Archer Nanoha, White Devil. + Chrono Lancer Fate, Black Lightning. Wish to save her sister. + Erio Rider Caro, Dragon Rider. + Carim Caster Hayate, Queen of the Night Sky. Wish to save her mentor, Reinforce the First. + Lily Berserker Touma, Black Knight. Wish to prevent his Eclipse infection. + Regius Assassin ??? + ??? Caster Reinforce the first, Empress of Darkness. Wish to rid herself of the corruption the darkness brought forth. Side characters: + Scaglietti family: A sort of underground mercenary, led by Jail Scaglietti. Members include his 12 daughters. Pose as normal family by day. + Nakajima family: A famous family, known for it charity works. And many others. There's still a lot of works to be done, but this is the bare background Edited a few things. Last edited by Lhklan; 2012-05-13 at 01:46.

2012-05-13, 01:14	Link #664
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	About the zombie apocalypse i guess the Aces and Forwards will be more suceptible but the Wolks and the Numbers will probably have more resillent minds to this kind of horrors. The Wolks used to be abominations themselves and more likely have witnessed lots of horros made by Belkan magic and science (Book of Darkness, Craddle, Mariage, Eclipse. The list keeps incressing and getting more and more gruesome with each new discovery). As for the numbers they had been trained to wtiness and perform murder and terrorism since birth so they could face such hell better than most conventional trained TSAB officers. As for the Holy Grail war i already imagined several versions of it. Usually with multiverse crossover of anime characters (Bason from Shaman King as Lancer for example xD). But it will be amusing to see Nanohaverse characters as Servants and Masters xD Do you plan to mix Nasuverse characters or replace the entire cast with Nanohaverse ones xD? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-05-13, 01:19	Link #666
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Re-watched the list xD By the look of the list seems the important masters will be Yuuno, Carim and Regiuz with the others as mini-arc prominent characters or supporting cast. I wonder who could be Shamal's lover o.o __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-05-13, 01:42	Link #675
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Could always go for a Saber deal - try to go back in time and keep himself from being infected in the first place. Which he could probably do by saving his village, for a two-for-one deal. Last edited by Justin_Brett; 2012-05-13 at 02:04.

2012-05-13, 01:17	Link #665
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	@Justin I'm confused. You mean the Eclipse conditions, or how to cure it?

2012-05-13, 01:22	Link #667
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	... Her Servant, duh. My idea for this War is that except for Regius and Assassin's Master, all the others have honorable wish, and that they all wish to achieve. A conflict between desire and conscience.

2012-05-13, 01:23	Link #669
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Well, correct me if I have this wrong, but most Servants in Fate/Stay are basically magical copies of the hero in question and not calling the actual person, yeah? So Touma wishing that probably wouldn't do anything, since he'd still be a potential Servant to summon. Like, Achilles couldn't go 'I wish my heel was invulnerable, too' if he got a wish, I don't think.

2012-05-13, 01:29	Link #671
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	@Tiresias @Justin Servants are recorded at the strongest of their lives, if I remembers correctly. Touma was at his strongest when the Eclipse was at its maximum effects, so it also went with him. The chance of the wish being fulfilled is 50-50. Beside, it's not like Servants with impossible wish is new (looking at you, Archer). Also, the reason Touma wants to remove it is due to the intense blood lust he got. Even in the ToH, he's still alone, because whenever he saw someone, EV kicks in, categorizing the other as a threat and force him to attack. @Akiyoshi+ Duly noted. Though now I need to find a pairing for Shamal. sigh

2012-05-13, 01:37	Link #672
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Archer's wish wasn't to the Grail, though, it was something he kept hoping would happen by random chance. And don't Servants have a good understanding of how they work, and know what couldn't affect them like that? I don't think the Throne of Heroes really let them socialize much, either.

2012-05-13, 01:39	Link #674
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	... Do you have any suggestions? The wish can be changed, but I just don't know what he would wish for... Would Touma want to see his family again? Coudl that work? This is an AU, BTW.

2012-05-13, 01:45	Link #676
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	Hmm, thanks Justin. That works. As for Shamal, I decided to change it, so that she only wants to be reuinted with her best friend, Signum.

2012-05-13, 02:04	Link #677
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	If you really want to play the "lovers" card you could always twist things up a bit. Let's see, you can, for example, to have Shamal happy to have managed to summon her friend/lover and she's already satisfied but then something happens that forces her to enter the fight for the grail seriously. It can be anything from Signum feeling the unnatural need to fulfill her purpouse as a servant or both being attacked and get awareness of the need to finish the war to be truly reunited. Or maybe Shamal is disillusioned by Signum just being a shadow of her former self casted as a servant. Or simply Signum wants to win the war so Shamal will be safe from other servants. Maybe Shamal is in fact searching for a deceased lover but grows fond of Signum during the course of the war and learns that she must leave the dead to rest in peace ...Or just maybe external circunstances force or motivate them to take their part on the battle xD There's a myriad of ways to develope this xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-05-13, 02:07	Link #678
Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	Hmm, thanks Aki. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th reasons sounds... interesting...

2012-05-13, 20:55	Link #679
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Well, if it is possible, one can make a very dark fic which has Type Moon crossover with Nanoha, but with Emiya Kiritsugu as the main character. Making the long story short, I doubt Fate, Arf, Precia, Hayate, the Wolkens, the numbers, Jail and any other villains will get to survive.

2012-05-13, 21:08	Link #680
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Thinking that sort of goes against the point of Kiritsugu.