2008-12-20, 07:07 | Link #821 |
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Some people shift it (most people I know do), some encode the OP and ED once, and mux that in. I don't know how sensitive the latter option is to audio artifacts, but shifting the karaoke doesnt make it go out of sync (if you shift it with the right amount :P).
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2008-12-21, 18:19 | Link #822 | |
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Also about the fps rate of the video. That will not effect the linear time scale of a subtitle file at all. the subs will still render at the same linear pace you set them to initially. The depth of detail in movement/transformation will just be limited by how many times per second the movements can be captured. Think of it this way, if you watch something pass in front of you while blinking your eyes over and over, you see less of the movement, but the speed or rate of what has passed in front of you is not effected at all by the how many times in a second you could open and close your eyes, it is rather how smooth the event looks visually. 24 fps or 30 will not matter at all for how fast the subtitles will move, scroll karaoke fills, display effect transformations, etc... oh, and I'm sure an encoder can correct me if I am wrong but the whole higher framerate is just to smooth out jitter or choppy movement on panning scenes where they are most noticable. I really don't get who has been teaching you, but you start looking for a new one. |
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2008-12-22, 09:56 | Link #823 | |
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Hi guys, im new to the forum but i learn a lot from a while ago. Anyway, I really need everybody's opinion about my problem right now.
I'm sure that i typed my codes correctly but the primary color for the font didnt goes alpha and the outlines didnt change to white properly. Do anybody know why i am going through this? Here is the screenshot Screenshot Here is the codes for the syl2end retime part Quote:
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2008-12-22, 16:34 | Link #824 |
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You're using an old and buggy version of VSFilter. Updating to the newest (2.39, comes with the latest Aegisub and CCCP among other things) will fix the bug and also give you a bunch of new tags to play with.
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2008-12-24, 19:37 | Link #827 | ||
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I know this might not belong here so excuse me.
I have a problem with my Karaoke Encode. I'm using a 120 FPS mp4 RAW with nullframes and i've yet to find a way to remove all the nullframes. First i tried this: Quote:
Does anyone else have a solution to remove all nullframes so i can just shift times of Karaoke each week? edit: @TheFluff's Top post: "why encode a 120 fps to a 24 fps" because it takes 3-4 hours to encode 120 FPS not to mention nullframes are really not needed. Also nullframes differ each week making the Karaoke not match. Quote:
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2008-12-25, 04:00 | Link #828 |
Excessively jovial fellow
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Karaoke should always be shifted based on audio only (make a shifting line exactly where the first word is sung or where the music starts and shift the entire script based on that) and doesn't have anything to do with video. Sometimes you can use certain points in the video as "anchors" to shift it instead, but since A/V synch on p2p raws isn't all that reliable this is usually a dangerous method, so I would recommend against using it.
Now if you're talking about credits and stuff having to be retimed slightly every week, you're never going to get away from that problem, 120fps or not. The OP/ED is telecined together with the rest of the episode at the studio or TV station every week and there are most likely going to be differences in decimation if nothing else (the OP/ED credits may also change as the series progresses). Using different p2p raw cappers or even the same raw cappers will just further the problem. It has nothing to do with nullframes. If you really really want the OP/ED to stay the same each week, just encode a lossless version of each and use avisynth to splice them into each episode. Then again I wasn't aware that mp4's could be 120fps, I was pretty sure that mp4box converted that kind of files to VFR, but hey jap cappers have done really odd things before. hurr durr of course I suggested encoding something with 120 coded frames per second, why yes that makes perfect sense
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2008-12-31, 00:14 | Link #829 |
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Karaoke and Encoding Question
When hardsubbing karaoke into a file, I am worried that I may unnecessarily be losing quality since the file is gonna be encoded again afterwords for hardsubbing the subtitles.
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2008-12-31, 02:28 | Link #831 |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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You could use a lossless encode for the first pass with the karaoke, though that would take a few GB on your hard drive (for the whole episode, only a few hundred MB for just the kara). The best method, however, would be to do all the subtitles, including the kara, at one time, as Corona mentioned.
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2009-01-05, 22:38 | Link #836 | |
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Also syncing by audio will create much more error accumulation than visual syncing any day. |
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2009-01-05, 22:47 | Link #837 | ||
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How on earth could adjusting audio timing based on the audio itself be more sloppy than adjusting it based on some external cue that may or may not be in synch, and that pretty much always will be off at least +/-40ms because of inverse telecine decimation differences? Even with direct transport stream caps A/V synch can be pretty shoddy and differing not only between stations but also between different episodes on the same station. Quote:
i have no idea what the christ you mean with this
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2009-01-06, 04:52 | Link #838 | ||
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You can argue your point about "desync of the audio" all day long from raw to raw, but as I have been resyncing scripts since raws were far worse than they are now I think its safe to say that I may know just WTF I'm talking about this time. if you have audio desync of more than a few frames in a raw to begin with you should be fixing the AUDIO sync not adjusting the subs to be out of sync with it. Quote:
If you don't know what error accumulation is you shouldn't touch timing at all. If you continue to resync to videos with audio desync, AND are actually matching up the lines, you will start acquiring deviation from the base or ORIGINAL based on the differences in hearing each time. With recent raws I have been able to shift tons of scripts with the most deviation being 1 frame randomly on a single line every few episodes using visual cueing. And the audio still is in total sync. |
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2009-01-06, 06:26 | Link #840 | ||
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i know back in your day you didn't have advanced tools like this so maybe that's why you fail to see how easy and accurate it is Quote:
you make a shifting line, all times in the rest of the script are absolute relative to that line, shifting the entire script will not change "error accumulation" in any way, either the script is in synch or it isn't and shifting all lines back or forth by a constant amount of time will not "accumulate errors" in any way whatsoever this isn't a goddamn amiga, we don't have to deal with ramping or inaccurate clocks by the way if you're going to play the I AM A VERY EXPERIENCED AND RESPECTED FANSUBBER, I SHOULD KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT card, I should mention that on the few occasions I have actually seen audio shifted by video (usually done because the song has hardsubbed japanese lyrics that the entire kara is shifted to) it has always led to perceptible desyncs after like one episode regardless of raw source. "fixing" a/v synch is a really inaccurate business because the only way of doing it is experimentally by ear, and human aural perception is really bad at telling when something is in or out of synch.
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