2011-01-19, 17:44 | Link #181 |
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It's nothing to do with that - Kenpachi with his eyepatch on is (supposedly) marginally weaker than Ichigo in shikai - if Ichigo with his Vizard mask on bankai can barely scratch a guy with his 'ultimate' attack, why the hell can Kenpachi cut his leg off? Effortlessly, I may add.
Also, Kenpachi pwned Tousen, and was fighting on the same level of Komamura's bankai with his eyepatch on, therefore /shrug. I'll leave your beliefs in peace, but you WILL find yourself in a minority on here
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Let me get this straight. Yamamoto was going to use a move that would destroy himself and all his comrades (aside from Ichigo) to stop Aizen and you're saying he did not perceive him as a serious threat? Do people typically use kamikaze moves against opponents they think they can decisively beat? Yamamoto's talk was pride and bravado (think Byakuya talk to Ichigo), but it's obvious he took Aizen very seriously as an enemy. Quote:
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So yeah... how's about those fullbringers huh? Wondering what the first step in getting Ichigo's power back is gonna be.
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2011-01-19, 19:15 | Link #185 | |
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That he may actually be a human and Shinigami hybrid himself. That he is "the one* they gave their powers to. But I wonder if he has fullbringer abilities. I believe that Ichigo's Shinigami representative badge is what he is going to use to "Fullbring" Question: Did Ginjo have his own badge or did he steal Ichigo's? I can't imagine what it entails and I have thought very deeply about it I don't think that they are evil and are actually sincere--. I just wonder do they have side effects sorta like Ichigo. Or some internal struggle with their hollow nature. I also wonder if this would make Ichigo more hollow like? While it's true that Zangetsu is no longer fragmented. He's still comprised of both Shinigami reiatsu and Hollow. Wouldn't Ichigo's reiatsu become more hollow instead of a 50-50 split. Edit: I am also starting to believe that Orihime is a shinigami/human hybrid as well. She doesn't bear any similarities to Chad or the fullbringers What do you think? I would really like to know... |
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2011-01-19, 19:40 | Link #186 | |||||||
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Aizen owned the majority but not everyone. KS doesn't work on blind people big whoop rofl how could you compare that to an actual way of fighting someone with those kind of abilities. And because you conveniently chose to use the argument of other manga's for you own purpose after breaking it down earlier i will do the same. So what people are suppose to put blind fold on or fight with their eyes closed when they encounter Aizen. It's not the same as with Mangekyou because that doesn't spread. So off you go. And KS pratically works from every angle, you cannot escape it unless ur faster by what a mile? Quote:
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Your point is? Did you even get my initial points because this just appears borderline ... you fill in the blanks :s |
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2011-01-19, 19:46 | Link #187 |
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Dude we moved past that. Yama lost to Aizen just like everyone else. You can't get around that. So why not stop trying?
I just get sick of constant comparisons to DBZ, ODA and Naruto. I don't think you using Itachi's ability to explain Aizen works. Or at least it doesn't for me. Because basically you're saying Kishi created a better ability than Kubo. Something I don't wanna hear P S.I used that because Yama is just some old dude with flame thrower. I actually consider his taijustu and strength more impressive than his Zanpakuto. Fire just burns things and you can put it out. Plus he still couldn't beat Aizen so yeah he doesn't impress me much... Now how bout those fullbringers eh? |
2011-01-19, 20:05 | Link #188 | |
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Yes Bleach is a separate piece of work and should be treated as such but basic writing techniques such as pace, use of atmosphere, characterization can be compared, some mangas are better at that and we use them as a basis of how good something COULD be. For example IMO Oh Great is better at battles, the hero has his growing moments, abilities aren't all super hax and it isn't all about my power level is higher, different abilities, different weaknesses giving different ways to fight. So 1 attack can be used in a variety of different and interesting ways. In contrast to Bleach where Ichigo for example just getsuga tenshous it until it disappears using the same rush him tactic, making the battles kind of bland. And despite showing that the characters have a plethora of different abilities (100+ kidou we always get the same 5 or so) we keep seeing the same things, no one powerful captain uses their bankai for an important battle for no good reason. Ugh this is what happens when I'm feeling intellectual and up at night Btw whoever neg repped me thanks for that! I never knew your opinion overruled mine, really thanks for the information
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And I don't think you grasphed anything from my initial points because you are just making it about w/e you want it to be, even when you are wrong(and then you just simply evade). Good Job. Next time pls don't bother trolling me oke or at least give me a heads up so i can stay far away? Thnx Last edited by Farscape; 2011-01-19 at 21:05. |
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Because I don't wanna fight and Dude several people said it's offtopic. One guy even tried to the change the topic...back to the present That fight was over some months go. I am not a troll because I don't want to continue an offtopic discussion with you. I just want to discuss the current chapter. I want to have a serious discussion.
Now because I see you really have a need to get this off your chest. I am going to oblige you just this one time oh contraire mufraire Didn't you watch WW vs Yama's fight closely? . WW was literally made tailor made for Yama'ji's style...Every move he had, WW seem to be able to predict it. You know that means? Aizen peeped his whole card He knew how to beat him. He knew everything about Yamaji. He was really just fucking with him I knew Aizen had game but I didn't know he could game fans too Just because Aizen said Yama was strongest, doesn't mean he really thought that Aizen is a liar and likes to "troll" people He also likes to make people believe they have chance of defeating him and then own them. He's the king of mind-fucking. He goes for "absolute defeat" of mind and body. Because if you beat a person before they use their strongest move. Then they will always have hope. But if a person has gone all out and then failed. They will be screwed mentally. That's much more satisfying than a simple win. That's the way Aizen fights. A simple beatdown is not his style. He suffers from grandiose behavior Obviously you never took the time to analyze Aizen's character or else you'd see a pattern and realize Yama got played. Just because Yama said he was stronger doesn't really mean he believed he could beat Aizen. It's called "false bravado" Because no one uses a move that will himself as well on a guy they know they can beat. He lost years ago when Aizen put him under hypnosis. Aizen had a body double following Shinji around Yama never knew. Aizen killed all of central 46 and then he was the boss of SS and Yama was Aizen's puppet for hundreds of years Yama lost before he ever fought anyone. Aizen was always in the lead until Ichigo defeated him, making it possible for Urahara's kidou to work. Otherwise there was no way anyone could win and that's why they didn't. This includes Yamaji. Your boy lost, there is no way to get around that undeniable fact Like I said Yamaji had been in a constant state of pwnage for over century. Is this enough for you? Quote:
Not when it's used to say this manga is god like. Bleach is bad. Then it's merely a matter of preference. it's pointless if the other person doesn't agree. Then it becomes annoying. A fan of say Bleach doesn't want to hear how One Piece is so much better. it's only good to the person doing the comparison. If you want to compare something how bout you compare one character to another, one fight to another ...in the same manga If it's comparing oranges to apples then it's wasted on me. Save it for someone who cares. Now I am trying to insult you,merely explaining my pov on comparisons. I don't care for them..when used just say that a character should have been like been like so-and-so from "insert manga of your choice" Therefore comparisons like that is wasted on me. Soooooooo how bout those fullbringers huh? Last edited by Lord of Pandemonium; 2011-01-20 at 05:53. |
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2011-01-20, 05:44 | Link #192 | |
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Arguing that Bleach is still good feels so surreal to me.
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2011-01-20, 06:30 | Link #193 |
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As a fan of One Piece, Bleach and Naruto, I'd say grow thicker skin Pandemonium.
Parallels will be drawn between OP, Bleach, Naruto, DBZ and YuYu Hakusho because they all share the same trait aside from being a shounen, they all feature a large cast of characters and each with it's plot/hax characters. Out of those 5 series, in my humble opinion, Bleach has handled it's story and cast pretty badly since the end of Soul Society. I'm not saying it didn't have any good stuff after, because it did, but there was still a lot of bad writing going on. For many of us that have been reading Bleach for several years...this series has pretty much become a guilty pleasure. As far as the Fullbringers go...the explanation of their powers was stupid and lets see how Shunsui gets Ichigo's powers back... Last edited by Mr. DJ; 2011-01-20 at 06:55. |
2011-01-20, 06:37 | Link #194 |
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i don't know how manga's work, but is it literally kubo sitting in his office and doing it all on his own, week on week, then sending it off to the shonen jump people? doesn't he have a team for this? like some shows have secondary writers (doctor who being an awesome example)
and that the release of issues is decided on the whim of the authors health and such. because if so, that must be very difficult.
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2011-01-20, 07:01 | Link #196 |
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Usually, the chapters aren't done on a per week basis. The schedule should allow for sick leave by getting the author to write his chapters in advance.
This would seem to point towards Kubo making his manga every actual week.
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2011-01-20, 08:19 | Link #197 | |
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Like i said earlier you just make it about what you want it to be, you observe and interpret the way you want it an go on about it like it was really about that. You believe that i am an Yamamoto fan, i seriously cannot tell where you got that impression from, i even have an avatar of Shinsui if that is any consideration but oke dude "my boy yama* I was never fighting with you but if you say that's the way, that explain enough about your debating approach, skills and attitude. To me it's pretty childish and rude actually. Some key words of advice, i don't mind if you take it or not. You can observe alot from a person or charachter. Aizen was explaining his plan or at least some base of it like many do, to clear up a situation. He had no reason to lie because he had already explained the purpose of WW. It's like why would a smart biker, spike a faster bikers wheels without him knowing and then stating to him you would've been faster if it was a straight up battle. You're holding your theory back! i am curious? Whats the relation that you made between the fullbringers and Ichigo and Shunsui and Ichigo? |
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^^ I am done with you. You go on ignore Mr. Scape..^_^
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So those comparison are useless (imo) and I find that kubo's just too deep and most of it goes over your head. Because if you took the time to think about it. It all makes sense... Quote:
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2011-01-20, 12:04 | Link #199 | |
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Also even if you take out all the opinions and make facts of the bad things then heres how it goes: There is several things left unexplained causing plot holes Characters change personalities randomly Power levels fluctuate randomly which can leave readers confused Things gain new explanations a lot A lot of people do not like the way the story is going Sure it has its good points but it needs to address those problems
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2011-01-20, 12:35 | Link #200 |
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If your skin is tough, why do you not accept us comparing Bleach to other manga in a negative light? I mean, seriously, what else do you want me to use as a reference point? A sieve? Because that's what the plot resembles atm I'm not even using other manga as a reference, I'm applying the idea that consistency is good:
Cub already said most of them, but I'm going to go with Kubo not even getting stuff right between chapters as a particularly bad problem - look at the end of 397 and the start of 398 for more information - and that's not a translation error. Also I actually think the Soul Society arc was handled badly. Brilliant concept, but some details were managed badly that had a knock-on effect on later plot. And Kubo? Deep? Seriously? Ok, I'm going to assume you're being serious, which I hope I'm wrong about - Kubo has admitted to only thinking of Aizen being the bad guy halfway through writing the Soul Society arc. He's also admitted to adding lots of new characters when he's struggling to advance the plot - see Xcution, the Vizards, Nel's group for details. You can make sense of Bleach in the same fashion that Art critics can find symbolism in something I've painted - it's not there, but if you look hard enough, you'll convince yourself that it is.
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