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Then she should re-spec furry. Seems to work wonders for Touka. Quote:
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Of to watch then. Most likely. Concidering the comedical bath scene, I can already see where this is going. It has to pull Touka OOC to even begin to work, and that's most likely what they'll do. |
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2008-02-17, 17:44 | Link #23 | |||||
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In anime it just happened suddently and was never mentioned since. Even if the whole thing was a shameless way to justify the rape scene, it is still much better reason than half of the H-scenes. Quote:
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The only H-scene so far that was reasonably done was Karura's, mainly because it fit her character, it fit the scene, and it even had somewhat of a lasting impact on the story (at least untill the end of the Na Tunk arc, it did, which is better then the others I've seen so far)
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It's pretty cool in my opinion, dash dash afterimage *splurt* head's off. Quite a satisfying way to finish a boss. |
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2008-02-17, 18:19 | Link #25 | ||
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2008-02-17, 18:50 | Link #26 | |
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Benawi is my next-most-useless character after Guraa, Urtorii, and Kamyu... basically he's made redundant by other characters; Aruru is a superior tank simply because she gets a head start on defense and several battles worth of BP, her attack is more expensive but she only needs 800 BP to max tech, the cheapest of your melee characters (versus 1200 for Benawi), and she's your only wind melee. Benawi is water element, which you already have with Touka, who is far superior; plus Touka and Aruru get to fight in the Na Tunk battles (and are required in the next battle after you get back), putting them even farther ahead. As far as 2-range characters go, Kurou is far more useful for me, with only 900 BP needed to max tech (2nd cheapest melee after Aruru), cheaper attack stat, and he's your only earth element other than Eruru. He was lagging behind for a while, but he quickly racked up *massive* BP in the Shikeripecim arc.
After thinking about it, I'm no longer 100% sure about the Hakuoro boost to female characters (which is *definitely* present in the PS2 version as a skill). I know early on, it seemed like Eruru had no trouble healing Hakuoro to full HP, but other characters she'd frequently fail to fully heal. Also several times Aruru seemed to be doing unusually large damage to an enemy with a neutral element. And then when I first got Karura she was doing way more damage than Oboro it seemed, even though she initially had less attack. So I'm fairly certain it exists, although I don't know how much range it has, or if it gradually weakens at range, or what. The only reason I'm not entirely sure is because there's another factor in damage that I hadn't realized until way late: apparently having a maxed gauge improves defense (at least for enemies anyway). At the start of the Shikeripecim river battle, I was trying to kill off this one enemy unit quickly with Oboro + Benawi, but kept coming up a tiny bit short; gave up and changed strategy, resulting in said enemy unit attacking Hakuoro (and depleting its gauge). Then when I attacked that unit I did significantly more damage with the exact same attacks and finished it off with ease. I also noticed it with archer vs. archer sniping over barriers, Dorii's first attack would do less damage than subsequent attacks (after the enemy archer had fired back). Quote:
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2008-02-17, 19:44 | Link #27 | |
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I don't really have any "best" characters, because I try to keep my offense around the same level. Karura, Touka, and Aruruu are the ones who see the most action with Oboro and Benaui as backup selections. Kurou and the archers are mostly dead weight to me (sadly). |
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2008-02-18, 01:34 | Link #28 | ||
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2008-02-18, 06:01 | Link #29 |
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there's a few options that are lost for good, but it's really very few... a number of times the story progresses and it looks like you aren't going to get to choose them, but even after a battle or two, they pop up again.
Re: the H-scenes, they weren't all that bad (although the Kamyu ones were just ridiculously out of place) and usually at least had something leading up to them... the problem with all of them was the total lack of indication afterwards that anything had happened. The Touka one, particularly, should have resulted in massive embarassment afterwards, but no, everything's back to normal. Honestly, in terms of how well it was set up and made sense, the Yuzuha one was probably the best. Too bad that by eliminating it and thus also everything leading up to it, the anime basically made Yuzuha a pointless character; one of the few cases where the game was definitely better. Random thoughts: Does anyone think it's odd how jealous Eruru gets when Aruru is with Hakuoro? Early on, it seemed like she was just upset with Aruru making Hakuoro her father, since that would essentially make him her father too, and she obviously doesn't want him thinking of her that way. But later on she gets all mad every time Aruru snuggles with Hakuoro, basically reacting the same as if Karura was hanging all over him... makes one almost expect there to be an Aruru H-scene It's interesting how the game basically made Touka a total comic relief character, starting with her doing a Wile E. Coyote impression in the bridge scene... from that point on, everything she did made her seem like a joke character. The anime had the same scenes afterwards - with her trying to commit suicide, falling over herself thanking Hakuoro, then being obsessive with guarding him - yet while the scenes were funny, Touka herself still seemed like a serious character. (Yet the anime had the scene with her fawning over Gatchatara - the one time in the anime that I recall she seriously makes a fool of herself - which I was disappointed to see wasn't even part of the game) |
2008-02-18, 07:39 | Link #30 | ||
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I doubt she was drunk to the point she didn't realize what was going on (plus we all know she probably wanted it anyway ... her first comment after he stopped molesting her earlier in the game, although she was somewhat frightened, was "am i that unattractive ?"). Though Hakuoro certainly doesn't score any courtesy points in his approach. "Eruruu, i want to sleep with you" .. no wonder the poor girl choked on her drink Quote:
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2008-02-18, 13:39 | Link #32 |
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Heh, I suck at doing the combos too. It would be easier if the timing between the different characters was more consistent, because Oboro's seems to go faster. Oh well, I guess i'll just have to keep practicing.
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2008-02-18, 13:47 | Link #34 |
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Only because they didn't do any "real" follow up after their little fling. We are reminded every so often about Karura's bond to Hakuoro - both in action and speech (she's fortunate her personae allows it to come out so freely), whereas Eruruu would appear to have stayed the same throughout the story, as if their encounter in the bedchamber never happened.
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2008-02-18, 15:21 | Link #35 | ||
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2008-02-18, 17:48 | Link #36 | |
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2008-02-20, 03:35 | Link #37 |
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Wow, finally finished the game after a horrible horrible time getting through several of the late battles (before the last few turned into a relative joke). Some of those are just insane on Hard 3, I really should have started on an easier difficulty since I did a bad job of building my characters to begin with, which hurt in the long run. I nearly resorted to the Shift cheat several times but managed to beat it without. Not exactly spoilers here, but spoiler tags just in case someone doesn't want to know *anything* about the scenarios (and to clean up the post so you can skip to my more significant comments instead of my recital of my last few days' experience)
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I ended up with Touka, Kurou, and Dorii being my powerhouse characters... Oboro was supposed to be but I screwed up and raised his tech after that first tough battle (trying to max it, but ended up being too late) when I should have just kept raising attack and defense, and there was no way I was going to redo the battle. Karura had tons of attack of course, but with only 1 tech (never got around to saving up for it... BP for 1 tech = 20 attack for her) and her godawful slow turns, she ended up being just another sacrifice late in the game (if I used her at all). And the cat in the development room confirmed several of the observations I made of hidden effects... Hakuoro *does* boost the stats of females around him, while Oboro boosts Dorii's (and I presume Guraa's) stats... although I don't know if they boost his. Took me a while to realize it on my own since usually Oboro is out on the front lines and not close enough to them to get the effect; once Dorii's attack was high enough it became really obvious when it was working though. There might be extra boosts for Karura/Derihourai, Urtorii/Kamyu, and Benawi/Kurou in close proximity as well. The cat says something about Derihourai anyway, and also says something about having friends near each other... lots of his tips cut off with "..." so you have to guess. Also having a maxed special gauge boosts defense, and I think attack as well (the cat is cryptic there, says good things happen while it's filled)... late in the game I rarely even used specials unless vital for quickly eliminating tough opponents (i.e. Avu Kamuu), because my characters would die so fast without that extra defense. There's also the effects on turn frequency for proximity to allies/enemies, although Eruru mentions that in the tutorial already. Now I have to figure out how to pull off getting all the titles; I only got 4 in that game... apparently people saying you just have to beat the hardest difficulty to unlock the last two CGs were wrong; getting at least one title unlocks the first, and getting every title unlocks the second... and you can just play Hard 1 to get the titles... now I feel like I ruined the game's replayability by starting out with Hard 3, since if I drop to Hard 1 just to get titles it'll feel too easy. |
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The other characters that are quite powerful are Hakuoro (especially when you get all the combo upgrades) and Oboro. By the end of the game, Touka and Oboro were doing all the big damage for me. Hakuoro's combo was cool because you never knew what element he would use for the final attack. They were pretty awesome. I also liked Aruruw (for good defense), Karura (good offense), and Urtoriy (good magic). Karura I used for hit-and-run attacks (she hit's 100+ with just one attack, 200+ if you get her combo), then I stuck Aruruw in as bait because she doesn't take much damage unless she's in the rain. Though her defense is practically non-existent, Urtoriy's magic attacks were insanely good in close quarters, when the enemy is closely packed together. Her Light attack looks awesome, does a ton of damage, and has a godly range. Her only limitation was not being able to move and use magic at the same time. Personally, Dorii and Guraa were my "worthless" characters. They did their purpose as long range characters in the first couple of arcs, but after the Av Kamiw started showing up, I ditched them in favor of characters that had a better defense. I'm currently playing through the game on hard level 1 (I'm going to go through each one), and it's going okay so far. I've had to redo a level or two because I screwed up and got Hakuoro pasted, but I'm up to the 5th battle. This time around, I'm skipping the storyline. It's very nice, but I like battling. If I want the storyline, I'll play on normal.
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2008-02-23, 15:21 | Link #39 | |
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Guh. I'm stuck at the battle where Touka first appears, on Hard 2. Too bad the shift-trick makes Eruruu disappear. And I've already failed my attempt to get the title where everyone uses their special. Now that I know about titles and what not, I'll just do Hard 1 runs from now on, though I'm already tempted to start now considering how I'm stuck...
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2008-02-23, 16:22 | Link #40 | |
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I also noticed on harder levels that Eruruu is targeted by anyone within range. At least when I play, I have to protect her a lot because she gets killed so often otherwise.... I still really like Hakuoro's finishing move. The random element thrown in at the end is totally bad-ass.
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