Mahouka - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[~Yami~]

whoaa.. finally I caught up with the current episode

awesome fight I must say.. dedicating a whole episode for this showdown is a great job

although I have some complain... first it's about Masaki.. I thought finally we could find Tatsuya's equal but it seems he didn't quite as strong as predicted... Tatsuya is still in whole new level against him even though he already massacre people since 13 years old

I still can't believe how powerful Tatsuya is.. that self regeneration is too powerful that it seems the only way to kill Tatsuya is cutting his head off
and Mikihiko did a good job in taking Cardinal George

There are several laughter including how Jumonji brushed off Saegusa's complain and "lip reading" scene

well well.. this arc is definitely better than previous one but I think the only way to make me getting hyped is to see Tatsuya vs his aunt

[PGilis]

Episode 16 is Excelent!!

Many people say Tatsuya is OP, but in a competition against Masaki and George, he was really being pushed to the limit, just like he thought.

Tatsuya's preparation really paid off. The cardinal prince would be a goner if not for Masaki. But even so Mikihiko and Leo beat him and that other member.

And Masaki was really powerful. Walking slowly with a high level magic for atack and defense makes him look like a tank. Tatsuya could not break his defenses and was not blocking his atacks fast enough with skills alone. So when Masaki by accident used a forbidden atack, Tatsuya too was forced to use his forbidden "PHOENIX DOWN" magic.

I hope next episode we can see that jerkass Morisaki's face when he discover 3 Weeds won 1st place in the competition he EPIC FAILED!! :P

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by PGilis

Episode 16 is Excelent!!

Many people say Tatsuya is OP, but in a competition against Masaki and George, he was really being pushed to the limit, just like he thought.

Yeah, I'd hope that Tatsuya, when not using any of his secret techniques against one of the top magicians of his generation, would be "pushed to his limits".

[PGilis]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yeah, I'd hope that Tatsuya, when not using any of his secret techniques against one of the top magicians of his generation, would be "pushed to his limits".

Don't forget even thought Masaki made a mistake at the ending, he too was not using all his power during the competition, and just like Tatsuya he had an inferior CAD.

Maybe he is not actually as powerful as Tatsuya in full-mode, but according that oneesan there is still others incrediblely powerful or talented magicians in the world.

Let's hope we can see some in the future.

[Ickarium]

Of all Tatsuya's 'secret techniques' we've seen, the only one he didn't use is one he really, REALLY can't use. He pretty much pulled them all out in that fight. Elemental Sight, Flash Casting, the Regen thing. We didn't see him nuke him like in the opening scene for the show, but that's it.

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by PGilis

Don't forget even thought Masaki made a mistake at the ending, he too was not using all his power during the competition, and just like Tatsuya he had an inferior CAD.

Maybe he is not actually as powerful as Tatsuya in full-mode, but according that oneesan there is still others incrediblely powerful or talented magicians in the world.

Let's hope we can see some in the future.

Tats made a comment that he thinks he can defeat his aunt, the current clan head in a fight. (though going by shounen rule, his aunt should have a couple secret tricks up her sleeves, if i am to make a guess)

If this is Naruto, then he's -kage tier.

[Ickarium]

I daresay him being able to beat his aunt has to do with, y'know, being able to create the equivalent of a nuclear explosion (if the first episode's intro is to be believed). 'course, doing so without killing lots of people would be hard. ;P

[XFire]

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

whoaa.. finally I caught up with the current episode

awesome fight I must say.. dedicating a whole episode for this showdown is a great job

although I have some complain... first it's about Masaki.. I thought finally we could find Tatsuya's equal but it seems he didn't quite as strong as predicted... Tatsuya is still in whole new level against him even though he already massacre people since 13 years old

I still can't believe how powerful Tatsuya is.. that self regeneration is too powerful that it seems the only way to kill Tatsuya is cutting his head off
and Mikihiko did a good job in taking Cardinal George

There are several laughter including how Jumonji brushed off Saegusa's complain and "lip reading" scene

well well.. this arc is definitely better than previous one but I think the only way to make me getting hyped is to see Tatsuya vs his aunt

I don't blame you about the Masaki thing, but I'd like to point out that Tatsuya was for all intents and purposes going "all-out". The only things he didn't use was his Dispersion magics, which are classified, and his nuke magic which is out for obvious reasons. And Masaki was holding back too, since he never used Rupture.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Of all Tatsuya's 'secret techniques' we've seen, the only one he didn't use is one he really, REALLY can't use. He pretty much pulled them all out in that fight. Elemental Sight, Flash Casting, the Regen thing. We didn't see him nuke him like in the opening scene for the show, but that's it.

He didn't use Flash Casting, unless you count the regeneration. And he didn't use decomposition, which is his main weapon.

[Fellen]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

He didn't use Flash Casting, unless you count the regeneration. And he didn't use decomposition, which is his main weapon.

He used Flash Cast for his final attack, the one where he snapped his fingers and amplified sound right next to Masaki's ear.

[Ickarium]

Yeah, the flash bang was flash casting.

As for his main weapon, Masaki didn't use Rupture either, which is his. This is why he's the Crimson Prince. Masaki really did push him there. He might not have in an actual fight, depending, but Masaki is absolutely a challenge for him in general magical aptitude.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

He didn't use Flash Casting, unless you count the regeneration. And he didn't use decomposition, which is his main weapon.

I still maintain that regeneration isn't flash casting. It seems to be an automated "function" that kicks in whenever he is injured or unconcious and is incredibly fast.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Yeah, the flash bang was flash casting.

As for his main weapon, Masaki didn't use Rupture either, which is his. This is why he's the Crimson Prince.

Masaki is more versatile, so losing his main weapon isn't as much of a problem. Even without Rupture, he's still got plenty of options for attack and defense.

Masaki really did push him there. He might not have in an actual fight, depending, but Masaki is absolutely a challenge for him in general magical aptitude.

They're good at different things, and Masaki, and that buttmonkey Morisaki for that matter, are better magicians in what for their world is the conventional sense. But my point is, using that fight to "prove" that Tatsuya isn't completely out of reach of anyone we've seen so far is silly.

Especially as for most of the fight, he was all "my secret techniques are secret!", and it's only in that last bit he went "never mind, I want to win after all".

[Rava]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I still maintain that regeneration isn't flash casting. It seems to be an automated "function" that kicks in whenever he is injured or unconcious and is incredibly fast.

I agree that it's not. They were only referring to one sequence in the discussion itself, not two. Besides, activating magic unconsciously or reflexively was never stated as a trait of Flash Casting in their discussion. Neither is what is obviously pre-programming magic with activation conditions into him. I mean, "Self-Restoration sequence, auto-start"?

Neither of those are traits covered in their Flash Casting discussion.

Spoiler for Text from the episode, M for male, F for female, breaks represent what is seen on the screen for each line:

M: "Well, be that as it may...
Just like you said,
he used it, didn't he?"

F: "Yes, as expected, engaging an opponent like Ichijo
with such a low-spec CAD was too tall of a task.
I wouldn't blame him
for using Flash Cast."

M: "Flash Cast, huh?
Calling up the Activation Sequence from
memory, rather than from a CAD.
The speed of that
technique is a sure threat."

F: "Especially in his case, by storing
the Magic Sequences in memory as images,
he can effectively bypass the process for building
Magic Sequences, never mind Activation Sequences."

M: "Is there anyone in our squad who can
activate that sequence faster than he just did?
I think Yanagi, who commands the same skillset,
is the only one who can barely equal him."

Basically, saying all fast casting magics done by Tatsuya were done with Flash Cast is like saying a falling person is flying because he's moving through the air.

[Wandering_Youth]

*shrug* From what little info was giving in this episode. His Flash Casting is one of his inherent abilities/perks and not a spell. He can cast any spell instantly when using Flash Casting even though he's already freaking fast at throwing spells without it.

[Fellen]

Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

*shrug* From what little info was giving in this episode. His Flash Casting is one of his inherent abilities/perks and not a spell. He can cast any spell instantly when using Flash Casting even though he's already freaking fast at throwing spells without it.

Flash casting is using a spell when you've memorized it's activation sequense allowing a person to not use a CAD and allowing them to cast spells faster by bypassing a few activation sequences. I don't think Auto-regen is flash casting.

[Digibeast]

That was a really awesome ep! but the fight though wasn't really as amazing as I pictured it would be but the studio did a really great job animating it!