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What amuses me most is that you say that with a straight face. So basically the whole idea of the entire village gradually accepting and admiring Naruto can be crammed into one chapter. Huzzah.
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2010-11-09, 08:30 | Link #302 | ||
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First off you should try to tone down your flaming a little bit.
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Either way, no is not a dumb thing, you don’t have a Bar of energy in a corner of the screen that tells you how much energy the character has left or what he can do with that so called energy Tank for that matter. So you can’t be on what exactly a character can pull off.
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2010-11-09, 12:33 | Link #303 | |||
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I'm with Frenchie and Rurik on this dude, settle the eff down. It says on your profile you're 22, right? You can prove your points without resorting to insults.
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Everyone was having a hard enough time with just one path. Naruto had both, the Kyuubi and Sannin mode to overcome Pein in sheer strenght alone. Look at what happened to the chakra absorbing path, it got turned into a frog. Quote:
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If I had gone through all that crap and I had the power to, I probably would destroy the village for shits and giggles too.
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For a while, Pain was content with just invading and sabotaging the village the old-fashioned way, during which several of the Konoha rookies could've taken down 4 or 5 of his bodies. And as I said before, the destruction of the village had no long-term ramifications anyway. |
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2010-11-09, 13:14 | Link #305 | ||||
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[QUOTE=Nobodyman9;3338677]Because Kishi made it that way. Kishi made it so they were too weak to handle Pain. He could just as well have made a bunch of the Konoha rookies capable of taking down five of the Pains, but instead he had Naruto swoop in to save the day.[quote]
The bodies were all too far apart for the Konoha nins to realize what was going on and how they could go about defeating the paths. The Asura path -was- destroyed, at the cost of Kakashi's life. Konohamaru got a lucky strike against the Naraka path, but I also think it's the path with the least fighting capabilities (only used for instakill once it's got you, or to resurrect the other paths). Team Guy was out too, though it would've been interesting to see what they would have done considering that's 3 heavy-hitters in the team. Quote:
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2010-11-09, 13:26 | Link #308 | |
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With Edo Tensei, We don’t know about amount of chakra it takes, we don’t know how much Chakra Kabuto has, what we do know is that Kabuto has the sufficient chakra to make Massive Edo tensei. Been able to do a last attack when someone seems to be out of energy, is nothing new to this Manga, and any other series that uses magical energy for that matter. Like James said, don’t pick and choose. Either way, I have debated too much on the matter, Im out. People in Konoha started to like Naruto since he defeated Hyuga Neeji in the chunin exam arc.
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2010-11-09, 13:28 | Link #310 |
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That's what they are complaining about.
Though there were hints and stuff. The Chuunin exam for one. It wasn't focused on other than that chapter, but at least that chapter allowed us to see the changing attitudes formed from rumours and stuff.
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2010-11-09, 13:39 | Link #311 | |
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-Do you know how many Chakra reserves Kabuto has? NO. -Do you know how much Chakra reserve Sasuke had? NO. So yes, You dont have no Basis to say what a character can do in any given situation.
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2010-11-09, 13:45 | Link #312 | ||
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No, I don't, but it would be really great if Kishi would stop being so vague.
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2010-11-09, 13:59 | Link #315 |
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The villagers hate towards Naruto was less and less each time, so duno why you claim it happened in one chapter.
Besides saving EVERYONES ass is a huge thing, you also would reconsider your thoughts if someone had saved you ass or even better brought you back from dead and not in zombie form. And to top it, NOT EVERYONE loves him right now, just because you saw several villagers admiring him and asking for autograph doesn't mean that everyone do. Danzo still hates him and elders also don't fully except him yet. And the village has hundreds of people, there surely are those who still don't like him. So don't exegarae things.
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2010-11-09, 14:07 | Link #316 | |
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The reason is simple from a entertainment point of view, the author will not end a fight were the one that looses the fight is because he doesn’t have more chakra to fight, it has never happened in the Manga, and it would be a lackluster if that happens. Don’t get me wrong, for me Kishi writing is not good compared to other mangas i have read, but in my opinion, how Kishi handles a magical energy he invented is not a reason why he isn’t as good.
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2010-11-09, 14:18 | Link #317 |
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Actually same thing works in reality, maybe not for everyone. But I'm a sportist and I know from my own experience, when you are really tired and barely can move, you still can manage enough strengh and stamina to do last attack or speed up or whatever you are doing. Of course it also depends on personality and their determination, someone might flatly fall on their fac once they get tired.
Don't get me wrong, Naruto has a lot of flows and sometimes this last attack thingy is over done but it isn't completly made up.
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I never really thought it took much energy; but that the ritual itself was the catalyst, similar to real-life Voodoo practices. Afterall, the whole technique is essentially just the caster making a trade with the death god, and a human life is a relatively significant sacrifice in itself with these things, so it might very well be like you suggested, that person's life force may be part of the supporting energy --if it is needed at all. Quote:
If you're just pissed off because you wanted some fresh characters(which I believe is the real reason for the ranting and calling this simple, and relatively sensible technique "stupid"), well no one can tell you anything about that... I don't mind though because I loved these villains and they're pretty much the reason I'm still reading this manga. Aside from the villains, I can only say I'm interested in Neji, Kakashi and Shikamaru. At least the resurrections wont all be characters we already knew though; not that I mind, I had a blast with Deidara in the other chapter. I still haven't gotten tired of that "mmmm!" yet. In an earlier post in this thread, you mentioned part I being "relatively fair"(with regards to the distribution of power I believe). Can you elaborate on that, and what your idea of fair is in this manga? |
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2010-11-09, 15:40 | Link #319 |
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Shounen manga
Well... Naruto is a shounen manga, so you can be pretty sure that Naruto (being the main character) is going to defeat both Madara and Sasuke in some way or another. Kishi is just trying to make Madara and the zombie squad look overpowering right before the grand finale. Naruto's victory is inevitable, but what role Sasuke is going to play remains to be seen He has me convinced that he's going to run the emo lane all the way down though...
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2010-11-09, 15:51 | Link #320 | |||
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And while it is hax, very much so, what isn't nowadays? As I said this isn't the realm of Genin and Chuunin anymore, low-life character like Suigetsu and Juugo are powerful Jounin in their own right. People like Kabuto, Madara and soon Naruto and Sasuke and -litteraly- unbelievably powerful as far as the rest of their universe are concerned. At this point of the story if you're not hax then you're pretty much useless. Quote:
I might add that I wonder why you are wasting your time reading a manga -and worse going into a sub-forum dedicated to said manga- which from your own words you find "absolutely detestable". It seems counter-productive to me. Quote:
On another subject the village's acceptance by the villagers didn't happen over one chapter, it started during the Chuunin exam when Naruto received a standing ovation after he defeated Neji about 400 chapters ago and continued to be shown through the change of attitude of the rookies, Ebisu, etc. |
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