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Perfect 10 | 132 | 80.98% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 12.27% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 4.91% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.23% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.61% | |
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2011-09-06, 18:23 | Link #41 | ||
seiyuu maniac
Join Date: Aug 2006
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As for why the future Okabe "exists" and how it changes, again it is entirely explainable by the time theory and Attraction Field theory. First thing you have to keep in mind is that "time" exists all at the same time - it is only to the observer that it appears to flow forward, so in one instance past, present, future all exists so to speak, this is true for any time travel stories. Now Attraction Field theory in Steins;Gate says that when some significant event happens that is able to cause a divergence in the world line then the past/present/future will be reconstructed to the least paradoxical outcome, and this is what happened here. "Present" Okabe experience a life altering event thus instantly caused "Future" Okabe to change, thus looping back to the "past" to make the D-mail happen. Quote:
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2011-09-06, 19:25 | Link #42 | |
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Sure the show has told us everyone has the Reading Steiner and that Okabe for some reason has a stronger sense of it than most other people yet we still don't know why it exists or how it works. Get it? Now I won't complain since I'm happy with things as they stand. If they went and tried to explain how the reading steiner works we would probably end up with stuff like (athos forbid) midichlorians ruining what's otherwise a great story. /rant As for the episode I found it very good indeed aside from some hiccups in the animation near the end there when Okabe was back in his mad scientist mode but since it was a complex "camera angle" and the rest of the episode was all kinds of awesome I'll let it slide. With Katanagatari under their belt and now the amazing product that Steins;Gate is turning out to be White Fox is starting to rank pretty high on my personal ranking of animation studios, I better start paying attention to what comes out of them each season.
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2011-09-06, 19:33 | Link #44 | |
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2011-09-06, 19:36 | Link #45 |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Outside the Asylum
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10/10. I love these coming-together moments in sci-fi stories, especially when it's so well executed. This reminds me of Ever17's epic reveal.
Now that I think about it, Steins;Gate's system of time travel is one of the most elaborate I've ever seen, because it functions BOTH ways, that is: 1. With worldlines (multiverse) 2. With stable causation (self-consistency) The causation is possible because of Okarin's perception. It is also the easiest to follow, since despite all these worldline shifts and time leaps, what Okarin experiences can be expressed as a defined list of events, such as: 1. Alpha timeline, see Kurisu dead 2. Send D-mail, gets sensed by SERN 3. Beta timeline 4. ...etc. It makes sense then that, in the timeline known as the Okarin Timeline, his past self will experience these events sooner or later, his present self will be experiencing these events, and his future self will have experienced all these same events. Therefore, his future self WILL know what his past self is experiencing. Think of it this way. You have a timeline. It doesn't change, no matter what things anybody does inside it. Changing worldlines is simply nothing more than changing rooms. It doesn't change the fact that you were at worldline (room) 001 now that you are at worldline (room) 002 or even if you go back afterwards. EDIT: A picture would probably make my horrible explanation much easier to understand....
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2011-09-06, 20:16 | Link #48 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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But that video Future Okabe sent to Present Okabe was a perfected D-mail...and we know what D-mails do
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2011-09-06, 20:29 | Link #49 |
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Maybe Reading Steiner is the phones frequency and you have to hold unto the phone for it to work,
when he told Moeka to send a message back into the past and it worked, both of them shifted to the new timeline but Moeka kept quiet about it.
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2011-09-06, 20:31 | Link #50 |
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From my understanding, Okabe MUST send out the dmail that say Kurisu has been stabbbed to Duri and cause the world shift to alpha timeline. However, if all Otabe THINK Kurisu has been stab and send out the dmail, it will still shift to alpha time line but when he return to beta timeline, the theory is that Kurisu will live if she is not kill by attractor field.
Well lying to his past self is one thing but lying to the attractor field/God sound AS crazy as insane as Lulu geass god in Code Geass. |
2011-09-06, 20:41 | Link #52 |
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Age: 32
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Man.. I'm just realize how iconic the OP song is... its still make you hyped to the show and its presenting the image of the show and everything about it with very well
And Uchuu Engineer for insert song didn't disappoint!
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2011-09-06, 20:41 | Link #53 | |
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So that practically means that Future!Okarin's Reading Steiner activated when Present!Okarin completed the D-Movies mission, leading to Future!Okarin getting Kurisu back.
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2011-09-06, 20:47 | Link #54 |
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Seeing this episode, I'm so glad that I went with my gut and rewatched the first few episodes of Steins;Gate with the anime club last Friday. It made the details of episode one extremely clear and helped me form the connections for this week's episode.
And so the mad scientist has returned! Let's see if he can still strut his stuff and change the world just as he always said he would.
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2011-09-06, 20:48 | Link #55 |
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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So awesome... so.. awesome. I jumped out of my seat when he stabbed her too. The irony killed me.
Looking forward to an awesome finale here. I'll be buying this series if gets a proper release and the VN when it's finished being TLed.
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2011-09-06, 20:49 | Link #56 | |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Simple explanation: Kurisu ISN'T dead. Everyone just thinks she is. Long explanation: According to quantum theory, Kurisu is both in a state of living and death. She is observed to be "dead" by pretty much Okarin and the world, but what the world observed may not be "real", i.e. it could be that Kurisu is actually alive but living in some remote place where nobody knows her. Okarin apparently cannot change the past so that Kurisu can appear "alive" to the world, but he can manipulate it so that she is "dead" to the world but "alive" to him (not the him that found the corpse, at any rate). Also, I just made a very crude timeline of Okarin's adventures. It's too small, and I stopped giving a crap midway through, but maybe it'll clarify some things for someone out there, hopefully. Note that future Okarin (15 years later) has been through these same events, because every Okarin in whatever time will inevitably experience the Okarin Timeline. Speaking of which, is there some official S;G Timeline image that Nitro+ was kind enough to ever release?
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2011-09-06, 20:50 | Link #57 |
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Looking back on it now, every time Kurisu was referred to with her "death", all it ever said was she was stabbed; in the Beta timeline, it's never established if that stab actually killed her, or if she was found by someone other than Okabe and survived.
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2011-09-06, 21:03 | Link #59 | |
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Hm... let's look at it this way. You know the clock right now reads 7:00 PM, or whatever time in your timezone. How do you know it's completely accurate? What if someone messed with your clock without you knowing? What if the entire globe's clock is messed with, and it's "actually" 7:05 PM? As long as it "appears" consistent, what "actually" happens is of no importance. As long as Kurisu "appears" to be dead to the world and the two previous Okarins who saw her corpse, it doesn't matter if she's "actually" alive.
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2011-09-06, 21:06 | Link #60 | |
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