2012-10-11, 22:13 | Link #30821 |
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Also, the gameboards are written by Yasu or Tohya. They do not show the truth of prime.
While the Ushiromiya family might not have the closest bonds of all... they wouldn't agree so easily in helping Yasu when bribed like in Our Confessions. It is a fictional story, so the author may take some liberties. As AuraTwilight said only Nanjo is shown to have been bribed. So, even when being offered money, most of them would hesitate and probably even refuse helping Yasu.
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2012-10-11, 22:23 | Link #30822 |
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What is the solution to Episode 2's third twilight? Shannon, Gohda, Kuwasama, Genji, and Nanjo are all in the servants room after finding "Kanon".
Nanjo and Kuwasama die. Genji, Godha, and Shannon return to the rest of the people. The fantasy scene shows Kanon being evaporated by a spider web by them before they return and after the two deaths. If this is the work of shkannon then why would Gohda not say anything to the family? Or immediately try to escape or dash out if they (shkannon and presumbly Genji who knows of shkannon) let him live? |
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EP7is the game where two kakera (one with Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice, and the other with Lion) are sewn together so that Will can solve all of Beatrice's mysteries. It's the ep which is described on the title screen of the game as the one where "the cold, hard truth will be revealed". It's the one where Yasu is revealed and her backstory is gone into. It absolutely must have relevance to the games as a whole. If it is irrelevant, why is it there? Ryukishi has said about ep 7 that Quote:
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How can you say that their dreams are not contradicting when Shannon and Kanon themselves describe their dreams as contradicting, as in the quote I gave you earlier? You really, really need to re-read Ep 6, because Ep 6 makes it extremely clear that if Shannon wins, she will leave the island and Kanon will quit and leave the island "for all eternity", and if Jessica looks for him it will "be in vain". If Kanon wins, then he will stay on the island and work on his relationship with Jessica, but Shannon and George will break up. Quote:
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I'm afraid your argument for them taking on the other's dreams is not at all clear, and your evidence appears to be just that they knew what the other one's dreams were, which is not really satisfactory. Can you provide, say, evidence in the form of quotes from the series to support your argument? |
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2012-10-12, 10:24 | Link #30826 | |
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Anime: As soon as Rosa sees the corpses, she sends Genji and Shannon to go to Kinzo. They are shown leaving the chapel. Moments later, Maria, Jessica, Battler and George arrive in the chapel. Manga: Battler never sees Shannon+Kanon together. They appear together before Battler arrives, not after.
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whom we know is dead. Then she will be witnessed again by Battler here: So it's likely the illusion she and Kanon are in front of Battler when Battler entered in the chapel is merely a 'narrative trick' for the readers. It's never confirmed once Battler opened the door he witnessed Shannon and Kanon. Quote:
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As soon as Battler loses himself in a logic error apparently her chances to win the love trial were judged to be 0. Considering Yasu never actively did something to win Battler's love as long as he wasn't on Rokkenjima this is a metaphorical representation of how Yasu 'gave up'. Quote:
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Genji is loyal to Yasu as the heir to Kinzo and Beato. Nanjo has a sick daughter and might need money to cure her. It could be he was also blackmailed as he did things that could be judged as questionable the main one being he knew Kinzo was having sex with Beato 2 and never tattled him out and then he took part to hide Yasu's identity, which can be labelled as sort of kidnapping as she was taken away by her father... who should be sent to jail but that's another matter. Not mentioning that apparently there weren't records about Yasu's birth and I've the feeling this isn't legal. Even if Yasu might not have proofs for all this, if she were to tattle it out it could ruin his reputation and cause him to lose his job. In Our Confession Kumasawa is said to be in because she believed it was a game for which she would be paid. She apparently doesn't know people are being killed for real but think they're just covered in make up. Likely Gohda thinks the same. Krauss was equally blackmailed. Jessica & George in Ep 5 likely believed they were only making a joke or playing a game. Maria seems to believe everything Beato says so if Beato says everyone is going to be revived she'll go with it. The other siblings are likely either blackmailed, bribed or lead to think it's all an innocent game, at least at the beginning. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-10-16 at 03:05. Reason: Don't link to that site here! |
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2012-10-12, 11:19 | Link #30828 |
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If I were Erika though, it wouldn't be that unusual to look at all the people who show up in the room. I mean, she's never met some of them before, it would not be unusual to notice them.
One way or another, that one scene is the sticky point in everything, but since we're never going to be told how any of that stuff actually functions, we'll probably never know what the intended resolution to the problem (one way or the other) was supposed to be.
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2012-10-13, 00:54 | Link #30831 |
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Thanks for posting the Our Confessions translations, Wanderer. Very interesting to see that filled in more clearly at last. Now if only we can find the missing "omitted" portions. I still remain concerned that the devil may well be in the details...
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2012-10-13, 03:13 | Link #30834 | |
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2012-10-13, 04:19 | Link #30836 |
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I always had the impression that the whole thing with Kumasawa and Nanjo's deaths was faked, personally. Notice that the zombie Kanon tells them to suspect Rosa, and Genji/Gohda even start discussing measures they could take to protect themselves against her. This seems like a weird detail to include for no reason.
I think that Shannon and the others managed to convince Gohda that Rosa was a threat, and that they should fake Kumasawa and Nanjo's deaths so that they could investigate without being under Rosa's control. Obviously everyone there except Gohda knows that this isn't the real reason because they're all in on the plan. But I think that this is a more convincing reason for Gohda to lie than simply being bribed or blackmailed, because I can't really see him being able to do that if he actually knew that the two of them were dead. Obviously, when Kumasawa and Nanjo go with Shannon to hide somewhere, she kills them, and then Genji moves the bodies later when he's "doing the rounds" before telling Battler/Rosa/Maria that he found their corpses. |
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Otherwise the author can do things like "all death victims assisted culprits up until the point of their death" to solve riddles which is obviously a cop-out. Quote:
Though it doesn't explain the locked room. I believe before this happened Rosa took all of the master keys and then sent the servants off together, they went to the kitchen, phantom Kanon shows up, Kuwasama and Nanjo "die", and the servants take the bodies to the servant room after the murders supposedly took place. Even if the murders didn't happen there was still a letter on the table in the servant's room when Rosa and the rest investigate. The keys to the servant room were locked in the servant room, and Rosa had the master keys. Does this mean Rosa is also accomplice in the 2nd game? That seems very messy with way too many people involved in this if Kuwasama/Gohda/Nanjo were accomplices (according to the post below), and if the first twilight was faked or something which I've read. Last edited by Ryuudou; 2012-10-13 at 08:53. |
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