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2013-12-27, 19:26 | Link #32382 | ||
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From what I read on this, the NYC attorney was aware of the illegal actions by that diplomat months before. The Indian diplomatic corps was already warned 5 months before the arrest and asked to sort things out internally. However, they did nothing and they continue supporting the spoiled princess just because she's from the upper class. This comment at the end of the article says it all: Quote:
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2013-12-27, 19:39 | Link #32383 | |
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2013-12-27, 20:38 | Link #32384 | |
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My grandparents suffered through the Holocaust and survived the concentration camps. There was absolute hatred for the Nazis, but my grandparents never spoke badly about Germany or the German people. I think that they had some mixed feelings about the Germans (and who wouldn't?), but it didn't manifest very strongly. My parents grew up with a hatred and anger for the Nazis, and a wariness about anti-Jewish sentiments, but they had no ill feelings toward the Germans. What the Chinese endured at the hands of the Japanese soldiers was horrific. Even knowing a large extent of the atrocities that were committed by the Nazis in the Holocaust, I find what the Japanese did to be worthy of great outrage. I get confused because of the difference in the way that the Chinese and the Jews processed things in the aftermath. The Jews, by and large, did not blame the country that gave rise to the forces that committed the atrocities. They blamed the regime and its leader. It seems as if the Chinese blamed and continue to blame the entire Japanese population. The anger isn't limited to those individuals who actually committed the atrocities, nor to the chain of command that allowed it to happen. There are some differences in the ways that Germany and Japan attempted to "come clean" afterward - namely, Germany tried very hard, whereas Japan seems to have tried quietly sweeping things under the rug while admitting guilt in other ways (payments to China) - but I can't imagine that alone makes the difference. Why do the Chinese hold on to this event and vilify all of Japan over it?
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2013-12-27, 21:19 | Link #32385 | |
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I mean, that deputy consul general might indeed has broke the law of US, but can't the attorney just propose to deport the consul general to the India government instead of arresting and strip-searching said diplomat like she is some kind of terrorist or drug dealer and effectively shaming her? There's a thing called status you know, and technically, she does still have some diplomatic immunity(although that doesn't apply in this case). Diplomats and Consul general break minor rules all the times(traffic lights, speed limit, etc.) and sometimes even major rules under diplomatic immunity, so I ask you this, what make this case so special that warrant an arrest and strip search? For the visa charge, it's not like her status is unclear, she's clearly still an official Deputy consul general. For the underpayment charge, they could just charge her with it without any real punishment just to deter people working from working there anymore(it's not like the consul general kidnap the underpaid worker or anything)
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2013-12-27, 21:23 | Link #32386 | |
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couple of reason of the difference between Germany and Japan after ww2. 1. Germany took it is housing cleaning seriously and have either arrested or made good faith efforts at bring them to justice. Japan meanwhile made a sacrifice of 14 and did nothing beyond what the Americans had require. Many of it leaders who were invovle in crime against humanity live peaceful lives. And where leaders in Japanese post-war politics and business. 2. Germany have not at least to my knowledge ever try whitewash when happen in ww2. Japan has several times revise its school text book and either minimise or leftout what events in ww2 (Rape of Nanking and Comfort women). 3. while both Germany and Japan have apologies for its role in ww2. No German politicans form a major party have ever denied the holocaust or war crimes committed by the Germany army. Apologies are a lot easier to accept when they are deem sincere and some Japanese politicians by their action and their words have call that sincerity into questions.
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2013-12-27, 22:19 | Link #32388 | |
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As far as it goes, it is the Japanese government doing jackshit about WWII related information, which hardly qualify the population as a whole. It becomes a tad viceral at this point, where you have bunch of idiots trying to whitewash history (which is laughable at best since they can't claim the truth in contrast to other countries archives), while others just blame a whole country for the latter's doing. Whereas I still don't understand why the likes of Abe still play the whitewashing charade, the whole hatred teached to the youth towards Japanese in general is just mindpuzzling. I would understand to some degree if the current generation really believes in Japanese government lies, but as far it goes they are basically on the receiving end. That's as awkward as people still yelling "REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR" even for completely unrelated stuff (I never lost that much hope in humanity after that mass of #pearlharbor tweets during either the female soccer final or during the fukushima disaster).
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2013-12-27, 22:42 | Link #32389 | ||
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Plus, as you said it, Germany is much, much more harsher on the crackdown of NatSocs and make sure they don't reappear. Japan though has been soft in comparison with Germany. Quote:
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2013-12-27, 22:52 | Link #32390 | |
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2013-12-27, 22:52 | Link #32391 |
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Well, from Athena post, I could clearly see the different between CCP and VCP. Or more exactly, between Chinese and Vietnamese. Frankly, I have met several Japanese tourist - my older sister works in that field. And most of them are surprised of how friendly and welcoming Vietnamese are. In fact, without no doubt, Japanese tourists , and further, investment are the most sought after in Vietnam.
But then again, "The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend". The wave of Anti-China is rising, that is all I could say. Plus, Japan and Korea seems to be doing much better in spreading their culture around the world than China, thus making them more simpathy-able than the latter. |
2013-12-28, 00:57 | Link #32392 | |
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2013-12-28, 02:05 | Link #32393 |
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In terms of 'whitewashing' and 'coming clean' I don't think Japan had much of a choice.
In Germany, the democratic parties were wiped by the rise of the Nazis and their former members were facing death and terror all over the war time as political enemies of the regime. So when they came back into power after the war, it was easy for them to say "the Nazis did this" and treat the war as an unfortunate interlude to the otherwise democratic Germany. Because for the parties themselves, this was actually true. Not so much for all their members though and of course not at all for the general public, but it set the tone... But with Japan's desire for continuance, I don't see how they could have done the same thing. I mean, not without ditching the emporer and basicly everyone with any political power during the war... So I guess that's where the different ways of handling the issue came from. Still it would be about time that they try and finally work that out, but it does no seem to happen. ArchmageXin brought up the 'respect your elders' mentality. Maybe that's why everyone in Asia is so much stuck in the past? |
2013-12-28, 03:39 | Link #32399 |
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That's not the problem. It's that the illegal gender-selective abortions are still going on, and the hope is to end that. There may be 24 million bachelors in China in 2020 who can't ever find a wife. All because women in their age group have "disappeared".
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2013-12-28, 03:43 | Link #32400 | |
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