Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei - generic discussion thread (NO SPOILERS)

[Newhope]

I am dropping this show, so far I've found it pretty damn boring.

[millie10468]

Originally Posted by Newhope

I am dropping this show, so far I've found it pretty damn boring.

I'm sorry you feel that way but good luck with future anime. Hope to see you somewhere else

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Newhope

I am dropping this show, so far I've found it pretty damn boring.

Normally, I would convince you by saying a lot of things at how good the source material is and that the first arc is the slowest and dullest part of Mahouka....But I won't do that...

the anime of Mahouka is similar to Steins;Gate....It starts of slow but when it gets going, it gets going.....

Still, your lost...........

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It depends. It's one thing to say "the ones who can do more, get paid more". It's another to, say, condone Morikawa's behavior. Or other, more subtle forms of discrimination, like the uniforms, which serve no true purpose.

Note that Mibu didn't protest the fact that Course 2 students didn't get teachers (even though the argument that those who struggle are the ones who need guidance could be made).

Even if they're wrong, even if, like everyone, they're mostly concerned with themselves and their own problems, the "downtrodden" can still have real grievances. They're not all manipulated terrorists.

First, they don't condone that behavior. Saying "Weed" or "Bloom" is against school rules. It's the students at fault, not the school.

And the uniforms are necessary because there is a limited number of teachers. They can only directly teach one half of the class, so they focus on the ones with larger potential.

Actually that's exactly what she protests. "Practical Skills Training" is being taught by a teacher. Also

Spoiler for minor spoiler:

whether or not they have teachers is literally the only difference between the normal and reserve classes.

The goal isn't to make everyone meet a minimum standard but to develop the greatest magicians possible. It's harsh, yes, but they knew that going in.

[Kenju of the Right]

About the unfairness thing
I agree with it wholeheartedly
and because I know how this arc ends, I don't like the arrogant look that's given towards it by the main characters, pretty annoying

As was said in the series, there are people that just can't use magic. Even if the people that can use magic have to study and train hard, those that can't use magic just don't get the chance at all

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by XFire

And the uniforms are necessary because there is a limited number of teachers. They can only directly teach one half of the class, so they focus on the ones with larger potential.

That actually isn't really a legit justification for the uniform issue. It isn't necessary to put that big fat flower on chest and shoulder to show that they are in different classes.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by XFire

First, they don't condone that behavior. Saying "Weed" or "Bloom" is against school rules. It's the students at fault, not the school.

And the uniforms are necessary because there is a limited number of teachers. They can only directly teach one half of the class, so they focus on the ones with larger potential.

Actually that's exactly what she protests. "Practical Skills Training" is being taught by a teacher. Also

Spoiler for minor spoiler:

whether or not they have teachers is literally the only difference between the normal and reserve classes.

The goal isn't to make everyone meet a minimum standard but to develop the greatest magicians possible. It's harsh, yes, but they knew that going in.

Society would always focused on its best resources, whether it be people or otherwise, Mahouka portrays that quiet well..........

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Society would always focused on its best resources, whether it be people or otherwise, Mahouka portrays that quiet well..........

"No Children Left Behind" We know how well that helped us... *cough *cough

But yes, it's harsh but at the same time, whether you like it or not, efficient in dealing with resources. It's similar to a belief that if you're good, you will always rise above the rest no matter what school you go to.

[HandofFate]

Episode 04 was fairly regular.
A much needed info dump episode or else people would get too lost in how the world works.

I have no idea why they decided to do an insert song at the end though. It wasn't really an emotional or important scene overall...lol. It revealed some stuff, but nothing OMG song now!

Maybe they went overtime on scenes, so they were just like "errr turn it into an insert song and skip the ED.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Episode 04 was fairly regular.
A much needed info dump episode or else people would get too lost in how the world works.

I have no idea why they decided to do an insert song at the end though. It wasn't really an emotional or important scene overall...lol. It revealed some stuff, but nothing OMG song now!

Maybe they went overtime on scenes, so they were just like "errr turn it into an insert song and skip the ED.

Most likely that. They decided that some of the scenes they chose to adapt in this episode was much more important so they scrapped the ending to add those scenes in or something.

Anyway, I'm still very impressed with the quality. At least it can make me forget that horrible feeling from Mahou Sensou...

[BW95]

Originally Posted by the one above all

This episode's pacing was real slow but that is not necessarily a bad thing. It gave us some info dump and a nice moment at the end. Although I do wonder why they choose some of the translation that they do. For example how is Mari saying verbual abuse considered unlady like? Really wonder why the chose to say it that way.

You gotta remember that these translators have never read the original material.

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

??? I guess when it comes to anime standards, its not. All things considering, each of those breasts are scaled up to size of her head?

Just so you know, I meant that she wasn't that busty in the manga or LN.

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

I thought ep4 was wonderful. Rich in characterization and rich in setting up hints for future developments. But for me, it is the siblings who make the show. Tatsuya may be one of my favorite MCs ever. I love his even temper and enormous but not infinite strength. And I love his sensitivity and intelligence: both purely intellectual intelligence and emotional intelligence. And Miyuki is, of course, a goddess, with her enormous power, devotion, humility and emotionality.

Their friends and associates must feel as if they are living with a pair of leopards, stalking around, whipping their tails, occasionally revealing their dangerous power. When Tatsuya puts his hand on Miyuki's head, I feel her feelings: calm and safe and loved and full of pleasure. He keeps saying their mutual signs of affection are a joke, but they definitely are not. The sense I get, however, is that this love is higher and deeper than anything like simple romance or incest. We'll see how they and their relationship evolve.

It's nice to see that someone gets those little deep romantic scenes.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

WTF, not only does the guy get off with effectively a slap on the wrist, but the entire club gets away completely free with attacking a member of the Discipline Committee simply because they've decided that the rules don't have to apply to them? And they did it right in the middle of a festival intended to showcase the school? What the hell sort of example does that set? The whole damn club needs to be suspended until such point that they can prove that they have the self discipline to justify being members.

So the people who are put in better positions are qualified for better positions. I'd like to point out that guy in the kenjutsu club, who seems to think being in said better position justifies murdering someone in a lower position, as if people in lower positions aren't even human. That is a far more serious issue than the matter of who gets what job.

Well, to be fair no one was hurt and Juumonji personally vouched for him to correct his behavior. As for the rest of the club, they just attacked him and didn't even (successfully) use magic.

Wait a minute. I just noticed that there was no OP. Are they gonna do this for every 4th episode?

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

I have no idea why they decided to do an insert song at the end though. It wasn't really an emotional or important scene overall...lol. It revealed some stuff, but nothing OMG song now!

Maybe they went overtime on scenes, so they were just like "errr turn it into an insert song and skip the ED.

That's no insert song. It's the ending song.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by BW95

As for the rest of the club, they just attacked him and didn't even (successfully) use magic.

"Just" attacked him. In any reasonable school, when a member of whatever organization that enforces the rules punishes a club member for a very clear and dangerous violation of them, if the rest of the club's members were to turn around and physically attack that organization member, their club would be shut down and they would all be expelled. It's blatant proof that they believe the rules don't apply to them, that they are arrogant and undisciplined, and they have no business being in a club that can end up representing the school. The fact that the issue wasn't even brought up means those petty bullies with delusions of grandeur haven't had the slightest thing done to correct their attitudes, and that is Bad™.

[rladls716]

"Mahouka Koukou", this school is no doubt is some sort of a military school.
Tatsuya even knows that criminal organization's name, and that was really out of nowhere.

And finally Juumonji debut, and how Tatsuya thought of him as a high tower naked fanserivce.
In the opening only Juumonji appeared in a fighting sequence, sending the car flying until this episode.

Yes, the club members attacked him.
And I thought why would they do something stupid such as getting in trouble? They could just sue Tatsuya for whatever excuses they might come up with.

[Kenju of the Right]

Hm, I felt this was the best episode yet, maybe they should leave out the OP and ED more often

[The Green One]

Random stop and think about it for a moment. It's a matter of perception. During the kendo member's attack they complained, "Why only Kirihara? Mibu is at fault too." If the school is expected to come down on the kendo club members for physical assault, then both Kirihara and Mibu are at fault for the initial altercation. In Episode 4 during the hearing it's confirmed that Mibu is at fault as well for accepting the challenge. Kirihara also admitted his wrong doing on his own afterwards.

They mention in episode 2 that the aggressive club recruiting for the clearly explained reasons regularly results in physical altercations of varying types throughout the week. If they had to suspend people for every altercation there would be large groups of students getting kicked out for this and the school can't afford to have that happen so they go for a lighter form of damage control.

I'm not condoning the Kendo club members actions. They're clearly wrong and arrogant to boot. It's simply a matter of perception. To them it looked like the Disciplinary committee was coming down on them exclusively for the incident while letting Mibu get off scot free and that felt unfair to them. The fact that it was a so called weed making the arrest made it seem doubly insulting. Tatsuya's cold and matter of fact attitude could even be interpreted as condescending contempt, even if we know it isn't.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

"Just" attacked him. In any reasonable school, when a member of whatever organization that enforces the rules punishes a club member for a very clear and dangerous violation of them, if the rest of the club's members were to turn around and physically attack that organization member, their club would be shut down and they would all be expelled. It's blatant proof that they believe the rules don't apply to them, that they are arrogant and undisciplined, and they have no business being in a club that can end up representing the school. The fact that the issue wasn't even brought up means those petty bullies with delusions of grandeur haven't had the slightest thing done to correct their attitudes, and that is Bad™.

It's somewhat similar to how police can't really do much if the victim won't press charges. Anways, it's mainly because Tatsuya is withholding information which is why they're not doing anything. I'm sure they know but at the same time, I think they simply trusting Tatsuya and allow him to decide what to do. If Tatsuya decides to punish the whole club, he could possibly do but at the same time, he's trying to "stay low" so... Plus the fact that both Kirihara and Mibu accepted that they're in the wrong.

Originally Posted by rladls716

Yes, the club members attacked him.
And I thought why would they do something stupid such as getting in trouble? They could just sue Tatsuya for whatever excuses they might come up with.

People do stupid things all the time. Doing something stupid irrational is just that. Their judgement were completely clouded due to their discrimination towards the weed and also by the fact that Tatsuya, a weed, easily talked to them as if he's on the same level as they are, the blooms, while at the same time easily taking them on.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Random stop and think about it for a moment. It's a matter of perception. During the kendo member's attack they complained, "Why only Kirihara? Mibu is at fault too." If the school is expected to come down on the kendo club members for physical assault, then both Kirihara and Mibu are at fault for the initial altercation. In Episode 4 during the hearing it's confirmed that Mibu is at fault as well for accepting the challenge. Kirihara also admitted his wrong doing on his own afterwards.

They mention in episode 2 that the aggressive club recruiting for the clearly explained reasons regularly results in physical altercations of varying types throughout the week. If they had to suspend people for every altercation there would be large groups of students getting kicked out for this and the school can't afford to have that happen so they go for a lighter form of damage control.

I'm not condoning the Kendo club members actions. They're clearly wrong and arrogant to boot. It's simply a matter of perception. To them it looked like the Disciplinary committee was coming down on them exclusively for the incident while letting Mibu get off scot free and that felt unfair to them. The fact that it was a so called weed making the rest made it seem doubly insulting. Tatsuya's cold and matter of fact attitude could even be interpreted as condescending contempt, even if we know it isn't.

You seem to be missing my emphasis. I'm not saying they should all be in trouble for basic fighting. I'm saying they should all be in trouble for attacking a Disciplinary Committee member when he restrained someone who had just attempted to commit murder. Those two actions are not excusable by any of the reasons you've stated.

[rladls716]

The judgement were completely clouded for that reason is even worse and they call themselves Course 1 Student or in their language, "Blooms".
But even so, I thought the club members might understand Tatsuya's actions. They saw it themselves that Kirihara is the only person who used deadly magic against Mibu in a fair sword match.

As for me I really have to get better on holding myself back on making those kinds of judgement.

[MK-95-]

Wow, Miyuki's intense desire to be with him is unbelievably annoying. I know the the Ln stresses on their relationship, but come on, the anime is overkill when it comes to their relationship. She's using being worried about him as a pretense to keep tabs on his interactions with other girls. -_- I know why he's so fixated on her, but I can't even remember why she's the same. Its been so long since I read the Ln, that I've forgotten.

I just hope this damn series doesn't have a freaking Oreimo ending at the end of the day. Oh how that ending irked me. I honestly don't care who he goes with, once its a girl that isn't his sister, I'm content. I don't think I can handle another Oreimo.

However, it seems the anime is banking on the Tats x Miyuki route though.

The explanation they did on "Cast Jamming" was more or less accurate, but if you haven't read the manga or read the Ln, I'm afraid you'd get a bit lost. It helps to pause the vid & absorb each sentence one at a time. When I tried watching the whole convo without pausing, I got terribly lost despite the fact that I've read about it in both the manga & Ln.

The events in the episode were also more or less faithful & I didn't really notice any changes that stood out. Well, this was a good buildup episode, so I can't complain that there isn't any world-building taking place. Lets see how the rest of the arc unfolds.