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Anh_Minh · 2017-09-12, 16:34

Sure they could. It was just Sota's Plan B.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 16:38

Did they plan for Souta to obtain Magane's power?

xizro345 · 2017-09-12, 16:51

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Did they plan for Souta to obtain Magane's power?

Meteora said it would have worked only if it were a miracle, basically foreshadowing what happened later. And it was pretty obvious that an OP character like Altair could be stopped only with a deus ex machina. The story set this up clearly.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 16:53

Ah. If only the deus ex machina and miracle were used to power up the heroes instead of rewarding Altair.

RDNexus · 2017-09-12, 17:00

Altair was kinda rewarded, right. So what? Is complaining about that gonna change anything?

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 17:03

It might change Hiroe to not to write another trash like this?

RDNexus · 2017-09-12, 17:09

It may depend of what he and other authors may deem as trashy stories.
What you may deem as a good or bad story may differ from their PoV.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 17:12

One man's treasure is another man's trash after all.
If there is no measuring stick or feedback from audience, how can they deem what is a good story?
Hiroe should have posted his NAKED first to gauge the acceptance level before turning it into anime.

RDNexus · 2017-09-12, 18:07

Then, given those standards of yours, I, as a writer, should first expose the prototypes of my story's current version, possibly spoiling things along the way, so that people could check if the current version would be worth being officially published?

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 19:04

Those LNs adaptations are spoiling people even before they areturned into anime. What are you at?

Take a writing course, join a club, find editor or friends that you trust and have them review for you.
Or if you that impatient, just publish at Narou.
Else, just stick with STEM :P

RDNexus · 2017-09-12, 19:27

Don't run away from the topic. I used my case as comparison.
You were pretty much saying you wanted Hiroe-sensei to spoil the story big time only to have public confirmation of his story's quality.
Something like that must never happen, so deal with what was given to you, to us.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 19:36

Why is it something like that must never happen? Do you think all LNs that got adaptation are of high-quality? Why shouldn't Hiroe take a writing class or get an editor? And if the public rejected his trash, why should he get anime adaptation?
I'm dealing with what trash that was given, by saying to Hiroe not to write something like this again.

Blueknight78 · 2017-09-12, 20:01

wow peoples are really anger, i honestly overal liked and enjoyed the serie it's only how altair was handled by being turnin in the "hero" in the end and get a happy end with setsuna and all the battle and sacrifices where for "nothing" which bothered me but i still like and wait to see the final episode, i'm pretty sure the characters which died gonna get ressurrected and we gonna get a "happy end" but still episode 20 and 21 where a big deal for me and hard to accept his "conception" of everyone only cheering for altair, excluding that i liked almost everything, most of the others metas the action and not so "generic storytelly, which i will prise him cuz nowadays anime/novel/manga market is about 80% generic and only 20 or less trying to come with something new or trying to avoid "generic" route specially in harem cases which just goes a point where just being a harem already give a huge potential to be garbage(of course not of then are but the stigma is big about it), i really wish more writers could leave that "freak confort zone" and stop to catter almost exclusive the hardcore 2d otakus sexless and move more series tailored more the "general public rater than just 2d otakus.

really waiting for last episode and be able to give my final toughts.

DMurphy · 2017-09-12, 21:29

I really don't know how to break this to you, justpassingby, but the writer did have an editor. Probably several. And producers. And animation directors who would read and suggest changes. And countless others.

Television writing does not, in fact, involve one person writing a script and then handing off their first draft to the animators, who then translate it directly to screen with no changes.

And the idea that a company -- because this is a team endeavour -- should publish their story as an LN first just to see if people like it enough to make it into an anime is blisteringly stupid.

Good god, imagine if we did that with everything. "Ah, Rowling, we love these books, but before we publish them we're going to try them as an 8-bit video game first." "Mr. Nolan, splendid to see you, loved your script for Inception, can't wait to turn it into a comic book to see if people like it."

moridin84 · 2017-09-12, 21:47

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Why is it something like that must never happen? Do you think all LNs that got adaptation are of high-quality? Why shouldn't Hiroe take a writing class or get an editor? And if the public rejected his trash, why should he get anime adaptation?
I'm dealing with what trash that was given, by saying to Hiroe not to write something like this again.

You seem to be suggesting that ReCreator is quantifiably unpopular. What are you basing this on?

xizro345 · 2017-09-12, 22:00

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Why is it something like that must never happen? Do you think all LNs that got adaptation are of high-quality? Why shouldn't Hiroe take a writing class or get an editor? And if the public rejected his trash, why should he get anime adaptation?
I'm dealing with what trash that was given, by saying to Hiroe not to write something like this again.

But he has an editor, as said editor is often making remarks in the interviews regarding the episodes. Also, there's NAKED that shows how the script was originally conceived.
Frankly I don't know what to say more.

Also final episode preview, titled, you guess, "Re CREATORS":

Marcus H. · 2017-09-12, 22:03

Kamachi, Nasu, Narita and Urobuchi should have been interesting Creator characters in the show.
Kamachi for his wacky concepts, Nasu for pages of exposition for mundane things, Narita for being crossover-friendly, and Urobuchi for the sheer despair.

Kawakami would probably beat Altair single-handedly.

He's a beast in setting up non-combat combat (like negotiations and banter).

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2017-09-12, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

YMeteora said it an episode ago - to the audience, who has seen different things than we did, Altair is the protagonist.

And why exactly DID the in-story universe audiences see things we didn't?

What kind of writer would hide the actual major plot off screen, and just tell us "it is good, trust us!"

You might as well make a Hobbit film by following the daily life of one of the other farming Hobbits, while having narrations of Bilbo Baggin's adventures which was never actually seen.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-09-12, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Kamachi, Nasu, Narita and Urobuchi should have been interesting Creator characters in the show.
Kamachi for his wacky concepts, Nasu for pages of exposition for mundane things, Narita for being crossover-friendly, and Urobuchi for the sheer despair.

If only Hiroe can use the copyrighted characters as well as their creators like what he originally wanted

……

Imagine if those authors are also willing to voice themselves in the anime and have a debate/clash with each other like Yatoji & Matsubara in the show. That would be a sight to behold

.

IceHism · 2017-09-12, 22:35

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Originally Posted by moridin84

You seem to be suggesting that ReCreator is quantifiably unpopular. What are you basing this on?

Blu-ray sales have been pretty bad. Only 2.3k for like the first Blu-ray volume. Even if merchandise sells more than Blu-ray, it couldnt have sold that much more. That's like 9k less than eromanga sensei for reference. So if the average popular anime sells like eromanga, then what is recreators?

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Kamachi, Nasu, Narita and Urobuchi should have been interesting Creator characters in the show.
Kamachi for his wacky concepts, Nasu for pages of exposition for mundane things, Narita for being crossover-friendly, and Urobuchi for the sheer despair.

Kawakami would probably beat Altair single-handedly.

He's a beast in setting up non-combat combat (like negotiations and banter).

Idk if I would put any of these people in here besides like urobuchi, and kawakami. For Nasu, it depends who shows up. FSN Nasu or CCC/mahoyo nasu

2017-09-12, 16:38	Link #2562
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Did they plan for Souta to obtain Magane's power? __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-12, 16:53	Link #2564
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Ah. If only the deus ex machina and miracle were used to power up the heroes instead of rewarding Altair. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

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justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	It might change Hiroe to not to write another trash like this? __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-12, 17:12	Link #2568
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	One man's treasure is another man's trash after all. If there is no measuring stick or feedback from audience, how can they deem what is a good story? Hiroe should have posted his NAKED first to gauge the acceptance level before turning it into anime. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-12, 19:04	Link #2570
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Those LNs adaptations are spoiling people even before they areturned into anime. What are you at? Take a writing course, join a club, find editor or friends that you trust and have them review for you. Or if you that impatient, just publish at Narou. Else, just stick with STEM :P __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

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Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Sure they could. It was just Sota's Plan B.

2017-09-12, 17:00	Link #2565
RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	Altair was kinda rewarded, right. So what? Is complaining about that gonna change anything?

2017-09-12, 17:09	Link #2567
RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	It may depend of what he and other authors may deem as trashy stories. What you may deem as a good or bad story may differ from their PoV.

2017-09-12, 18:07	Link #2569
RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	Then, given those standards of yours, I, as a writer, should first expose the prototypes of my story's current version, possibly spoiling things along the way, so that people could check if the current version would be worth being officially published?

2017-09-12, 19:27	Link #2571
RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	Don't run away from the topic. I used my case as comparison. You were pretty much saying you wanted Hiroe-sensei to spoil the story big time only to have public confirmation of his story's quality. Something like that must never happen, so deal with what was given to you, to us.

2017-09-12, 19:36	Link #2572
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Why is it something like that must never happen? Do you think all LNs that got adaptation are of high-quality? Why shouldn't Hiroe take a writing class or get an editor? And if the public rejected his trash, why should he get anime adaptation? I'm dealing with what trash that was given, by saying to Hiroe not to write something like this again. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-12, 20:01	Link #2573
Blueknight78 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	wow peoples are really anger, i honestly overal liked and enjoyed the serie it's only how altair was handled by being turnin in the "hero" in the end and get a happy end with setsuna and all the battle and sacrifices where for "nothing" which bothered me but i still like and wait to see the final episode, i'm pretty sure the characters which died gonna get ressurrected and we gonna get a "happy end" but still episode 20 and 21 where a big deal for me and hard to accept his "conception" of everyone only cheering for altair, excluding that i liked almost everything, most of the others metas the action and not so "generic storytelly, which i will prise him cuz nowadays anime/novel/manga market is about 80% generic and only 20 or less trying to come with something new or trying to avoid "generic" route specially in harem cases which just goes a point where just being a harem already give a huge potential to be garbage(of course not of then are but the stigma is big about it), i really wish more writers could leave that "freak confort zone" and stop to catter almost exclusive the hardcore 2d otakus sexless and move more series tailored more the "general public rater than just 2d otakus. really waiting for last episode and be able to give my final toughts. __________________

2017-09-12, 21:29	Link #2574
DMurphy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014	I really don't know how to break this to you, justpassingby, but the writer did have an editor. Probably several. And producers. And animation directors who would read and suggest changes. And countless others. Television writing does not, in fact, involve one person writing a script and then handing off their first draft to the animators, who then translate it directly to screen with no changes. And the idea that a company -- because this is a team endeavour -- should publish their story as an LN first just to see if people like it enough to make it into an anime is blisteringly stupid. Good god, imagine if we did that with everything. "Ah, Rowling, we love these books, but before we publish them we're going to try them as an 8-bit video game first." "Mr. Nolan, splendid to see you, loved your script for Inception, can't wait to turn it into a comic book to see if people like it." __________________ Latest Review: Psycho-Pass 2 and Legend of Korra

2017-09-12, 22:03	Link #2577
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Kamachi, Nasu, Narita and Urobuchi should have been interesting Creator characters in the show. Kamachi for his wacky concepts, Nasu for pages of exposition for mundane things, Narita for being crossover-friendly, and Urobuchi for the sheer despair. Kawakami would probably beat Altair single-handedly. He's a beast in setting up non-combat combat (like negotiations and banter). __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.