(L+CR) Goblin Slayer

[eiyuuou]

only heroes become platinum ranked and only a few people in history have attained it

Spoiler:

the newest hero is number 16

[Klashikari]

Platinum is basically a complete different rank on its own, and while there isn't any explanation about its criteria, it is very likely it depends on stuff like prophecy or legendary weapon choosing its wielder. They are also described as being able to cast like a dozen of spells/miracles per day to boot.

Gold is already considered as "heroes" anyway, and as implied by Priestess, Sword Maiden didn't have any special lineage. She basically went through all the ranks. So she is a legit hero who wasn't gifted by some cheat artifact, compared to the Hero girl. It is worth noting that she was already a gold adventurer before her party vainquished the demon king, so she really went from Porcelain to Gold just like that.

Speaking of hero girl, here is a short summary of what happened to her before gaining her rank. This happened when GS and his party was busy with the Ogre.

Spoiler for Hero girl backstory:

Similarly to Priestess, Hero girl was an orphan who was brought up at a temple. Once she turned 15 years old, she had to leave. As such she decided to become an adventurer.
She picked a goblin extermination quest which lead her to some ancient ruins. Except that those ruins were actually a temple that was infested by goblins. She could survive thanks to antidotes, but she was carefree to the point she didn't have a helmet because it gets hot with them and her hair was too long. When she invesigated the temple, she was facing one of the sixteen generals of hell, whom she mistook for a plain goblin boss. After using 5-6 firebolts, she was cornered and thought she was about to die, except she saw a sword on a pedestal and pulled it out of desperation. It was actually a holy sword of the Supreme God, and she basically one shotted the general just like that.

She was interrogated by a sorcerer of the capital and was quickly brought back as she was considered as the 16th Platinum Adventurer humanity ever got.

Note that by GS standards, being able to cast 2 firebolts as a newbie is a huge feat (which is why newbie Wizard was confident in episode 1), so casting 5-6 firebolts is plainly hax, moreso since she can also wield a sword just fine, which shouldn't happen if she was a standard wizard/mage newbie

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by Keila

I don't really see the point of a tank. I mean, can you even 'hold aggro' on goblins? Protection (as a barrier) more or less does the job anyway in that it buys them some time to engage/get in a few hits.

I'd think some sort of 'area of effect' specialist caster would be more useful, like manipulating the terrain (freeze, burn, slippery, etc). In the past we heard that an ogre that killed a knight via the shield they were holding to defend themselves with, given that this sort of threat exists in the world (where stuff could just hulk smash you to death) tanking doesn't really make any sense.


The dwarf can (apparently) drop massive boulders from the sky which should count as a heavy hitter, unless you have in mind something like the hero which apparently has a tactical nuke.

Protection has number of uses a day like all magic. They are very valuable trump cards. As given how bad the fight with goblin boats could have been, despite mass ass whooping, they spared no expense there.

Right now GS is the tank, or lizardman-summonings. Those are kinda finicky though regarded as one time things. GS is enough for goblins, but the ogre shows how badly it can be without a real frontliner, as most of the party was mostly dancing around and failing to get into a real team play. Though it hardy matter since the ogre was shrugging off the attacks regardless.

A real tank, member would keep the party formation from braking up, and keep control of the field of battle.

We do have one tank character so far, which is female paladin shown in the last ep. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see what she can do.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Protection has number of uses a day like all magic. They are very valuable trump cards. As given how bad the fight with goblin boats could have been, despite mass ass whooping, they spared no expense there.

Right now GS is the tank, or lizardman-summonings. Those are kinda finicky though regarded as one time things. GS is enough for goblins, but the ogre shows how badly it can be without a real frontliner, as most of the party was mostly dancing around and failing to get into a real team play. Though it hardy matter since the ogre was shrugging off the attacks regardless.

A real tank, member would keep the party formation from braking up, and keep control of the field of battle.

We do have one tank character so far, which is female paladin shown in the last ep. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see what she can do.

A tank wouldn't have been very helpful against the ogre, though. There is no tanking his strikes except with magic.

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

A tank wouldn't have been very helpful against the ogre, though. There is no tanking his strikes except with magic.

I am fairly sure a tank could have took those attacks, a good tank anyway. You're undestimating tanks.

They have no way to beat the fireball of that level, but that's what your rear guard are for.

If you break down the detail of the battle with the ogre, the moment GS was taken out:

HEA couldn't get any critical hits in afterwards, and was almost done in from random strikes (basically she spent more time dodging then aiming).

Lizardpriest couldn't get any damage in, since he was force to tank, and his summons only brought some time, and did nothing of notice.

Drawf pretty much also finish his round, since he had to start dancing after then initial burst.

If GS was a tank that was able to keep the ogre in check, the party could have circled around the ogre, and wait aim for critical hits opportunities or team combos.

If they had a more powerful priestess that didn't buckle from a single fireball(abeit very high rank). They may have out lived the ogre's fireball cast limits. And if you didn't notice, the ogre specifically didn't cast another fireball, until he was sure the priestess was out of spell (he though she has cast heal) and did even mentioned it, before casting his 2nd fireball.

The ogre was a boss worthy of a general class, but GS's party was lacking in team comp and power as well. Priestess is generally useless, no matter how clutch she is, her level is much too low for this type of mission.

[Klashikari]

In GS lore, Ogre attacks are known to be impossible to block by silver ranks and lower. Or rather, the one trying to block would have their guard broken and smashed to bits.
It is exactly thanks to Priestess that they could beat the Ogre. Without a magical barrier, they were pretty much toast, that was guaranteed. And keep in mind that stats and levels not only don't really work in GS, but it has nothing to do with miracle. The barrier is set by the Earth Mother goddess herself. A "higher level priest" would only be capable to create more protections (if they learn it and that's assuming they can cast more than 3 miracles per day) or use different miracles, but the strength of the barrier wouldn't be any different. And Priestess is considered as an incredibly gifted cleric to begin with.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by kukuru

I am fairly sure a tank could have took those attacks, a good tank anyway. You're undestimating tanks.

In a well-balanced game where you're not under-leveled for the boss you're fighting? Sure. But none of what I just said applied to the situation.

[Kuroageha]

Just me but this enemies lurking right below a city reminded me a lot of Diablo 2's Lut Golehim plot with enemies lurking withing the sewers.

[Jazzrat]

Because of they rearrange some of the story arc sequences, HEA and Priestess banning GS from using fire, poison and water (technically they want him to avoid using extreme methods) came off a bit odd.

For priestess, she is more worried about the collateral damages of GS' methods ( she argued with him on ep2).

For HEA, she wants GS to actually go on a traditional adventure instead of a goblin-cide that would have made him a war criminal in modern times .


As for the party composition, it's less that they need a tank (not really a concept in GS world) but more of a melee front liner to hold the line (lizard priest and his summon fills in as a sub for most part).

[xeviouses]

A tank would be pulped by that ogre, a combination of a huge club and massive strength equals bad for adventurers. There's a reason why when going up against someone in full plate, a mace is much more effective than a sword.

There's no health bar in play to extend battlefield longevity, GS mainly survived because of his armor(it's layered to protect against daggers and blunt force trauma) and he was still knocked out of the fight in one go. Armor is to help survive, not wade into enemies.

[Random14]

Ah, Goblin Slayer is such a master of observation, isn’t he? “That’s not a goblin.” Especially since we saw that he had a similar reaction to the ogre a few episodes back.

Its fun seeing Goblin Slayer not be affected by just about anything, whether its meeting a living legend or having his options be a bit restricted. Well fighting under a city is pretty unusual even for him.

Another good fight, glad to see Dwarf Shaman contribute more this time. Goblins with armor and even ships sound like bad news. Well, Goblin Slayer will deal with it somehow (and without fire or poison). That and he’s got a great funny party backing him up.

[Wheeljack83]

Do the Japanese or the translators not understand what waterboarding means? I think High Elf Archer meant drowning them via flooding. Waterboarding is a simulated type of drowning torture.

[RDNexus]

Someone here has already confirmed CR screwed up at that. It really was flooding, not waterboarding.

[Wheeljack83]

I hope the Funimation writers catch on to that.

[Keila]

"Necessity is the mother of invention", so you'd have to wonder how restrictive a 'ban list (of kill tactics)' could be before it actually becomes detrimental. Plenty of gamers like a good challenge after all.

I'm assuming if it really came down to it (life or death type scenario) the restrictions would go out the window, but by that stage no-one would really care since life > death.


On a related note, how 'durable' are goblins. I mean, would it be possible to use a goblin corpse (or just some of their limbs) as a weapon should the need arise? In humans, the femur is supposedly the strongest bone in a human body. I wouldn't be opposed to goblin slayer using a (goblin) leg as a club should the need arise.

[Wheeljack83]

I hope at some point there's a scene where High Elf Archer is like, "Goblin Slayer think of something!"

And Goblin Slayer replies, "But you said no fire, water, or poison..."

"I give you permission! Just use *that* [some type of crazy destructive magic scroll]."

"Are you sure?

"Yes!"

"If you say so."

Like I want Goblin Slayer to twist the knife a bit when she gives him permission.

[scififan]

Originally Posted by Skaddix

Does every Hero have Hero in their name or is there only one "The Hero" at a time?

I think it is confusing for many translators, so they don't bother to make the distinction.

Spoiler:

In Lodoss War's prequal, out of hundred "brave people" 「百の勇者」 who advanced to the enemy territory, six survivors earned the honorary title Six Heroes - roku-eiyu 六英雄 after defeating the demon god.

In RPG, a brave person "yuusha" 勇者 is another name for a protagonist, also known as hero/heroine.

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

Because of they rearrange some of the story arc sequences, HEA and Priestess banning GS from using fire, poison and water (technically they want him to avoid using extreme methods) came off a bit odd.

For priestess, she is more worried about the collateral damages of GS' methods ( she argued with him on ep2).

More so since they might fight underneath the residential area. The use of too much force may shake the foundation of the water town.

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Just me but this enemies lurking right below a city reminded me a lot of Diablo 2's Lut Golehim plot with enemies lurking withing the sewers.

Actually, the sailing ships on underground waterways reminds me about Weathering Continent. The Act 2 of Diablo 2 is classic, but the scale of the exploration is as New York's underground, which has history of finding an alligator.

[moridin84]

Originally Posted by Skaddix

Does every Hero have Hero in their name or is there only one "The Hero" at a time?

The whole name thing doesn't make much sense if you think about it.

Like, how aren't there dozens, hundreds of different people called Priestess? And High Elf Archer is surely an incredibly common name back in the elf homeland.

And Guild Girl... that's a very common occupation, right? Especially back in the capital where she was trained.

[Sheba]

Author likely knew he gonna focus on a small cast and he didnt want to name everyone under the sun.

Not everyone is Yoshiki Tanaka.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ For me, such simple naming method felt novel and poetic when Maoyuu used it back in 2010. Maybe that's because the story focuses much more on the characters and defining how special and unique they are within its own universe. Not to mention Maoyuu's story itself is pretty special, intelligent and doesn't feel like an RPG video-game and felt like a real genuine classic saga. But here in GS, I feel like the story will be better off using normal names.