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Old 2019-12-02, 11:29   Link #1
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Josee, the Tiger and the Fish



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Seiko Tanabe’s “Josee, the Tiger and the Fish” novel will be receiving an anime film adaptation from studio Bones in 2020.
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Old 2019-12-03, 00:37   Link #2
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Is this a romance novel?
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Old 2019-12-03, 02:48   Link #3
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose...r_and_the_Fish

Was adapted into a live action film before
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Old 2019-12-03, 06:14   Link #4
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I really hate this kind of stories that uses a person with a disability as a plot device. Show some balls and make them the protagonist of the story, dammit.
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Old 2019-12-03, 07:51   Link #5
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I really hate this kind of stories that uses a person with a disability as a plot device. Show some balls and make them the protagonist of the story, dammit.
Maybe you should watched the live action film or read the novel first before commenting like that. Josee is not a plot device nor is she put on a pedestal in this story. This isn't some cheap teenage romance novel, it was made by legendary novelist seiko tanabe, who was given an order of culture award in 2008. The live action movie was also critically acclaimed. Also, the novel was published in 1985, before the age of light novels

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Old 2020-01-02, 22:05   Link #6
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Coming in Summer 2020 this year

https://twitter.com/joseetora_movie/...32155690500096
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Old 2020-08-12, 17:13   Link #7
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Looks pretty good
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Old 2020-08-13, 17:22   Link #8
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Interesting. This is one to keep my eye on.
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Old 2020-11-23, 08:17   Link #9
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Old 2020-11-23, 08:30   Link #10
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A bit too much crying but this looks really interesting.
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Old 2020-11-23, 08:58   Link #11
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Did I see Evan Call in the credits? From memory, they did the soundtrack to Hakumei and Mikochi. There should be some very nice rustic music if they are involved in this.
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Old 2020-11-23, 20:54   Link #12
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Did I see Evan Call in the credits? From memory, they did the soundtrack to Hakumei and Mikochi. There should be some very nice rustic music if they are involved in this.
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Old 2021-05-02, 08:42   Link #14
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I've been looking forward to this movie for a while. It opened in Singapore on April 29, 2021, and I watched it on the big screen tonight.

I liked it! It's a very strong 3.5/5, or maybe even a 4/5.

Based on what I've read of the synopses of the novel and the earlier live-action movie, I would say this project made many significant changes that were well-executed and necessary for ensuring that the story is suited for animation. But there were, in my opinion, a few missed opportunities. It could have been an even stronger story, had the writing been more skilful.

But what you do have is a perfectly serviceable story with a bright message. It's well worth a watch!
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Which reminds me, this is still on my backlog....
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Is it even available? Certainly didn't get any cinema time in Australia and I don't see it showing as streaming.
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Old 2021-05-02, 19:59   Link #17
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Is it even available? Certainly didn't get any cinema time in Australia and I don't see it showing as streaming.
The BD's out on August 21. I missed the JP airing
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Old 2021-05-02, 20:02   Link #18
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Duly noted. Will keep an eye out for it in September.
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Old 2021-05-03, 01:58   Link #19
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I would add that as someone who generally prefers gritty, more serious, contemplative stories, I tend to react negatively to anime adaptations that present the world and reality in idealised, "and they lived happily ever after" tones. So I'm actually surprised at myself for enjoying Josee, while disliking similar movies like A Silent Voice, or even Your Name.

I think it's mainly because this version of Josee felt sincere and authentic to me, in a way those two other movies did not.

I just found the original 2003 live-action movie floating about on the interwebs, so I'm going to give that a watch, too, to see how it differs from the anime adaptation. On first impression, it seems that the original movie is closer in tone to the short story by the late Seiko Tanabe.

An important departure to note is that the protagonist in the anime, Tsuneo, is completely different, and completely idealised. In the original movie, he's actually more of a fickle womaniser, which is also apparently how he was like in the original story.

That's an important thing to keep in mind, because of the explicit reference to the works of the late French novelist and playwright Francoise Sagan. Josee, the female protagonist, takes her nickname from one of Sagan's characters. I've never read Sagan, but from what I can tell, she was most famous for setting her stories in the sexually amoral backdrop of a fast-modernising French and Parisian culture.

So, as I mentioned earlier, the anime movie has been substantially changed to suit its younger target audience. It's brighter, and more optimistic, but without being too contrived — at least, not to me. But it's so different from its source material that I would say it's better described as being "inspired" by the original short story than being "based on it". Both will have to be judged on their own merits.


EDIT (added May 4, 2021):

I've watched the original 2003 movie in full, and I liked it, too. But it's more of an arthouse film with a bittersweet ending and, if its box-office numbers are to be believed, it struggled to find a wider audience. The original movie did get some good critical reviews, though, underscoring the tensions and difficulties in balancing popular appeal and in-depth storytelling.

I want to jot down my key takeaways before the impressions fade away. I'll start with this quote, from earlier in this thread:
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I really hate this kind of stories that uses a person with a disability as a plot device.
Spoiler for thoughts on the anime and original movie; it's a long read:

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Old 2021-05-06, 22:52   Link #20
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It appears that Josee is getting a cinema run in Australia soon. O guess I'll give it a go given I doubt anything else will get me to go to a cinema this year.

Edit: Saw it on opening day in Australia. Posting my thoughts in spoiler tags since it is nigh impossible to discuss in a non-spoiler way.

Spoiler for Thoughts on this film:
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