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Coldlight · 2012-11-25, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Insane

somehow kinda reminds me of this thread where both OP whom having serious narrow-minded mindset throwing tantrum.

Reminds me more of this thread. Another rant on why more of the OP's preferred kind of anime isn't getting made.

Incidentally, there's this other locked thread complaining about the opposite - anime becoming more mainstream. Go figure.

Goggen · 2012-11-25, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Kat-

2.) Go back to having adults only in Anime.

I'm curious to know when anime ever had "adults only".

Kirarakim · 2012-11-25, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

Quite frankly, among many series today... too many characters fit the WUSS category. While yes, even today, there are some notable exceptions to this pattern. It just happens -- the wussies outnumber the badasses.

I don't think most characters are wusses today, maybe you are just watching the wrong series.

Or maybe the best characters really shouldn't be characterized as wussies are badasses. Both those descriptors sound like pretty boring characters to me.

Kyuu · 2012-11-25, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

I don't think most characters are wusses today, maybe you are just watching the wrong series.

Or maybe the best characters really shouldn't be characterized as wussies are badasses. Both those descriptors sound like pretty boring characters to me.

I've watched a bunch that y'had listed and liked 'em.

But you missed my point: WUSSIES outnumber BADASSES.

Triple_R · 2012-11-25, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

Tiger and Bunny
Uchuu Kyoudai
Bunny Drop
Psycho Pass
Fate Zero

And those are just recent ones off the top of my head. While younger characters are by in large the majority there are series with adults in them.

Yeah, I think the last couple of years have shown some improvement in this regard.

There was a brief period where adult major protagonists seemed to have completely disappeared from anime, but they have made something of a rebound lately. Hopefully that rebound continues.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-11-25, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Goggen

I'm curious to know when anime ever had "adults only".

Didn't you know? Ten years ago the only Animes ever made were Cowboy bebop, Ghost in the Shell, EVA, Hellsing, Kenshin and Dragon Ball...

...According to the western fans that is.

Kyuu · 2012-11-25, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

There was a brief period where adult major protagonists seemed to have completely disappeared from anime, but they have made something of a rebound lately. Hopefully that rebound continues.

That rebound is only slight. That's all due to the still heavy demand for "moe".

Even so, this character fits my view of a "badass".

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judasmartel · 2012-11-25, 10:39

You know, wussies have plenty of room for character development. It depends on the author how to use it. Badasses on the other hand, are already so awesome that really, it's difficult to develop them further without making them boring or overpowered. Mostly, it's the badasses doling out character development to their lesser allies more often.

mangamuscle · 2012-11-25, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

I've watched a bunch that y'had listed and liked 'em.

But you missed my point: WUSSIES outnumber BADASSES.

Maybe the superheroe genre has been done so many times that is hard to do it in an interesting way, therefore your lack of badass heroes (which atm are seen as cliche and boring)

Kirarakim · 2012-11-25, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

I've watched a bunch that y'had listed and liked 'em.

But you missed my point: WUSSIES outnumber BADASSES.

But I think you missed mine too

What I am saying is the best character should be neither a wuss or a badass. It's just my opinion but I like characters that are more complex then that. I like a character that have both weaknesses and strengths.

So a character who is a boring wuss or way too cool and bad ass are both boring characters to me.

Akito Kinomoto · 2012-11-25, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

That rebound is only slight. That's all due to the still heavy demand for "moe".

Even so, this character fits my view of a "badass".

Spoiler:

That's not how you spell Chiaki.

bigdeal000 · 2012-11-25, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Didn't you know? Ten years ago the only Animes ever made were Cowboy bebop, Ghost in the Shell, EVA, Hellsing, Kenshin and Dragon Ball...

...According to the western fans that is.

How dare you forget Slayers?

Lina is the embodiment of manliness

Kyuu · 2012-11-25, 10:43

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Originally Posted by judasmartel

You know, wussies have plenty of room for character development. It depends on the author how to use it. Badasses on the other hand, are already so awesome that really,it's difficult to develop them further without making them boring or overpowered.

That's why y'turn to some themes from Greek myth, pertaining towards "perfect" characters with character flaws -- and develop a story where either they fall to those flaws or find ways to overcome them.

But of course, story-writing these days has been so LAZY, such that they stick to the template stories that people pay attention to (whether you may consider some to be stories at all).

And before going further -- I'll have to ask this question:

How do YOU define a "badass"?

By the way, yes, Chiaki is also a badass.

But not as much as Marika.

Sheba · 2012-11-25, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

Even so, this character fits my view of a "badass".

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Speaking of badasses, how come more of you guys are NOT watching JoJo's Bizarre Adventure? Is that's show's retro badassery so repelling that you instantly melt to goo when you are exposed to a single pixel of it? And the best part with the JoJo voiced by Sugita IS starting in December!

Kirarakim · 2012-11-25, 10:47

Honestly I don't think anime changed that much from when I first started watching it about 12 years ago.

They had bishounen voiced by Seki Tomokazu then and they have bishounen voiced by Seki Tomokazu now.

Now the male fans on here might not care but well it's good to be a female anime fan.

And Kyuu if that is how you define bad ass I will take my criticism of your post back. I never did finish that series, but that is a well written character. So if well written=Bad ass then I agree

edit: As for Jo Jo, waiting for all the episodes to be subbed. That is usually what I do with non-streaming series these days.

mangamuscle · 2012-11-25, 10:48

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

How dare you forget Slayers?

Lina is the embodiment of manliness

I think you got the wrong wizard

Spoiler:

Akito Kinomoto · 2012-11-25, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

How do YOU define a "badass"?

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Triple_R · 2012-11-25, 10:52

I think that what Kyuu is criticizing is how a lot of anime shows go back to the old template of "Zero to Hero in a cour or two" style of character development.

In other words, the main character really is a bit "wussy" starting out (although not necessarily much worse than your average person would be), and then the character gradually gets stronger and more "badass" over time. The problem with this approach is that first impressions die hard, and once a character is viewed as a wuss it can be very hard for him or her to ever overcome that (I think of some of the criticisms that Guilty Crown's Shu and PMMM's Madoka have faced).

The road less traveled is having a main protagonist that starts strong, but has rough edges that need to be ironed out, giving them important flaws that make them easier to relate to. Rinne no Lagrange is another anime that took this approach, and I think they were better for it.

judasmartel · 2012-11-25, 10:54

My problem with protagonists that start strong is that they tend to be assholes, are so overpowered that no one can give him an epic challenge, or have ridiculously sob backstories. That gives me the wrong notion that you can't be badass if you're genuinely kind-hearted and that in order to become badass you need to give up your morals.

That's why my ideal hero is the White Knight archetype. He starts off at the exact middle of the power tiers, not weak but not overpowered. He's genuinely kind-hearted and only fights to protect the weak and the innocent.

mangamuscle · 2012-11-25, 10:56

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I never did finish Moretsu Pirates,

Heresy! To the donjon iwith him!

2012-11-25, 10:47	Link #35
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Honestly I don't think anime changed that much from when I first started watching it about 12 years ago. They had bishounen voiced by Seki Tomokazu then and they have bishounen voiced by Seki Tomokazu now. Now the male fans on here might not care but well it's good to be a female anime fan. And Kyuu if that is how you define bad ass I will take my criticism of your post back. I never did finish that series, but that is a well written character. So if well written=Bad ass then I agree edit: As for Jo Jo, waiting for all the episodes to be subbed. That is usually what I do with non-streaming series these days. __________________ Twitter MAL

2012-11-25, 10:52	Link #38
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I think that what Kyuu is criticizing is how a lot of anime shows go back to the old template of "Zero to Hero in a cour or two" style of character development. In other words, the main character really is a bit "wussy" starting out (although not necessarily much worse than your average person would be), and then the character gradually gets stronger and more "badass" over time. The problem with this approach is that first impressions die hard, and once a character is viewed as a wuss it can be very hard for him or her to ever overcome that (I think of some of the criticisms that Guilty Crown's Shu and PMMM's Madoka have faced). The road less traveled is having a main protagonist that starts strong, but has rough edges that need to be ironed out, giving them important flaws that make them easier to relate to. Rinne no Lagrange is another anime that took this approach, and I think they were better for it. __________________

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judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	You know, wussies have plenty of room for character development. It depends on the author how to use it. Badasses on the other hand, are already so awesome that really, it's difficult to develop them further without making them boring or overpowered. Mostly, it's the badasses doling out character development to their lesser allies more often.

2012-11-25, 10:54	Link #39
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	My problem with protagonists that start strong is that they tend to be assholes, are so overpowered that no one can give him an epic challenge, or have ridiculously sob backstories. That gives me the wrong notion that you can't be badass if you're genuinely kind-hearted and that in order to become badass you need to give up your morals. That's why my ideal hero is the White Knight archetype. He starts off at the exact middle of the power tiers, not weak but not overpowered. He's genuinely kind-hearted and only fights to protect the weak and the innocent.