2010-07-26, 16:02 | Link #2321 | |
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*checks episodes* Well, maybe I'm missing the moment she said it, but I can't seem to find it. |
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2010-07-26, 16:03 | Link #2322 |
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Indeed, Rin remembered it and was about to mention that method but decided to withold it. Either cause Shirou wouldn't do that anyway or cause her/Sakura's feelings to him. Or both as it's the most reasonable situation. I drop in the third case: She wasn't sure about the Deus Sex Machina method working. You know regulary if your parter isn't a synchronizer before starting the "mana charge" a contract needs to be formed. In terms of contract I mean mutual feelings. It serves as the bridge and without it the whole process has a high chance of failure. To be short: Raping your Servant won't do. (despite how fanfics and doujins play around with it.)
But I can't doubt Rin does "stupid" things but she always have a believable reason. |
2010-07-26, 16:11 | Link #2323 | |
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Yeah, and she tells him when she knows it's necessary to save his life....
Also, remember that, at this point, she has her own servant and is still theoretically intending to fight Shirou at some point. It makes no difference to her if Saber ceases to exist, as long as she doesn't do it when either she or Shirou is in mortal peril. Quote:
Err, no. That's true if you want a long-term connection, but if you just want to dump prana into her body (which is what Shirou does in Fate (and, indeed, in HF)), then raping her would work just fine. Rin knew full well that Shirou could give Saber prana by having sex with her. |
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2010-07-26, 17:15 | Link #2324 | ||
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And if she's really that loathe to suggest her crush have sex with another girl... well, she could always have offered to 'help out' like she did later on anyway Really, she was making eyes at Saber since they met herself, it couldn't be that hard to break Shirou's will into a threesome, even without the threat of impending death. Breaking his will concerning justice and saving others, yes, that's basically impossible. Breaking his will concerning girls? He'll fold in five minutes. |
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2010-07-27, 02:31 | Link #2326 |
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I was inspired to replay the game once again by people here, but I had to skip the FATE route... I don't know if its because I saw the anime first or something, but the FATE route just seems tainted and the most boring of the three.
UBW and HF for life.
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2010-07-27, 07:14 | Link #2327 |
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That she knew full well that he wouldn't do it and wanted to wind him up? If Rin had seriously thought that Shirou would do that she would likely not have suggested it, because she wouldn't want innocent people to get harmed in that way.
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2010-07-27, 08:00 | Link #2328 |
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The thing is, there's really no good option here. If she was seriously suggesting that Shirou go and have Saber eat souls when another option was present, then she comes across as dangerously insane for suggesting he go out and do something so reprehensible (not to mention something that she would most likely kill him herself for doing) when it was totally unneeded. But if she was just bringing it up to get a rise out of him, then that still means that she was joking around with someone while one of his loved ones lay dying and Rin was, again, holding back a method of saving her, which also makes her come across as insane.
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2010-07-27, 08:25 | Link #2329 |
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Yeah, but even if there wasn't another option, both Rin and Shirou would rather fight with Saber nerfed than have her go out and murder innocent people.
I can't remember exactly now, but did Rin actually know how bad off Saber was at that point? She may not have realised how low on prana she was. |
2010-07-27, 09:07 | Link #2330 |
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I'm not sure myself, honestly. I think she was under the impression that Saber had enough energy left that she wouldn't fade if she stayed resting, but not enough to let her last through another fight. I'm not in a position to check at the moment, unfortunately.
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2010-07-27, 13:00 | Link #2331 | ||
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2010-07-27, 18:07 | Link #2332 | |
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Though in a sense it's also not as bad as I thought: this does imply that while she knew about sex-as-mana-transfer, since it's apparently common knowledge among magi, she didn't consider it as an option until she thought on the situation a little. But she definitely still should have said 'let me try to think of a plan' before she said 'your only feasible option is something that you won't do and I'll kill you if you try to do'. Got to check out the game text again. Rin's judgment on the situation after that battle is indeed that if Saber is allowed to rest, she should be able to retain enough energy to keep from disappearing on the spot, but only just. And even if she doesn't fade, she'll be far too weak to fight off any attackers and the other Masters won't ignore such a glaring vulnerability for very long, so she and Shirou probably wouldn't have long anyway. |
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2010-07-27, 18:49 | Link #2333 | ||
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And, I just got out of the shower and was thinking about how to make a proper anime out of this. I think I would do three two-cours for each route and cover as much as possible. I would also show when the day changes like in the VN and use the Tiger Dojos as episode previews, but change their tone as the route progresses and things become more serious. Also, I would have a narrator to narrate some parts. I'd like for Taiga to do it in a very serious tone, but that would depend on her voice actress and whether or not she can be serious enough to separate her goofy character and serious narrator voice. Oh, and I wouldn't cover up the sex. Make it brief on air (flahses of an image, and cut off scenes, like only Sakura upper body when she lifts her skirt in front of Shirou, as well as use the same BGM. I would also extend the scenes on BD/DVD to boost sales.
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2010-07-27, 19:00 | Link #2334 | |
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I don't think more than one cour would be needed for any given route, since you cannot directly adapt from one medium to another and get the same results. |
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2010-07-27, 20:44 | Link #2335 | ||
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In the VN, when there was no interlude, Shirou was doing the narrating right? Oh, and I think I'd show the interlude title thing too.
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2010-07-27, 21:21 | Link #2337 |
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Saber wasn't even summoned until right before the ED of episode 2. They fluffed the hell out of the anime. Remove the Archer vs Berserker fight (while awesome, wouldn't be necessary if UBW got its own cour), the second half of ep5 and first half of ep6 (UBW piece), and the majority of episode 17-19 (the "Caster Arc") and you've just removed 5 episodes without affecting Fate. That isn't even counting the fluff, like random shots of Caster early on when Ilya appeared.
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2010-07-27, 22:00 | Link #2338 |
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OK, so, what exactly is a "cour"? I've never heard that term before.
In any case, remember that Fate is the shortest route by some way, especially in terms of content. To do HF and UBW properly you'd need a couple of extra episodes beyond those you needed for Fate. Also, remember that in the game Saber wasn't summoned until the third day out out of 14/15 (and remember that you had the epilogue to come before all that), so having her summoned in the second episode out of 24 is not actually unreasonable if you're doing an adaptation of the VN. |
2010-07-27, 23:19 | Link #2339 | |
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And having Saber show up when she did would've been fine if it had followed the novels as they were, but they did like a 2 minute cap of Rin's prologue, and then just trudged through Shirou's activities for a few days. |
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2010-07-28, 07:09 | Link #2340 |
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Yeah... a better idea might have been to go through Rin's prologue in it's entirety during episode 1, then segue directly into Shirou's story starting in episode 2. It's not like you need to show all of the first three days to get a picture of Shirou's character. 'Crappy magus, orphan, has some girls who visit his house, really likes to help people' just about covers what you need to know.
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