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2011-01-22, 21:06 | Link #2082 | |
et tu, brute?
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and about tooru didnt know the camera? doing it in gym shack and not knowing there is a camera there ? sorry i dont buy it. But i gotta admit, i didnt feel any rage knowing yuki isnt a virgin, the author did a good job delivering her character that she didnt feel like an easy girl, more like a victim that turns into drama queen, and i gotta give a thumbs up to the author because he/she(sorry i dont really know whether sasuga kei is a male or female) dare to use not-virgin heroine in his/her manga, knowing the otaku's reaction over in japan towards non-virgin heroine. I myself is on the "that tooru, i hope utsumi gonna wreck him soo bad for all that his done" bandwagon now, rather than "yuki is a sl*t, cheap heroine, go for another one ho-yay", if this story isnt written better, i might be joining the later, thank god this isnt kimi no iru no machi (saying that i am still in eba's wagon :P) Waiting anxiously to whatever drama will unfolds in the following chapters.
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2011-01-22, 22:39 | Link #2083 | |
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Wanting to have sex with the person you love isn't a sin. Takin gadvantage of a person you say you love on the other hand...well you tell me whether or not you think thats immoral.
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2011-01-22, 23:30 | Link #2084 | |
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However if touru was framed/blamed and is innocent (more than 50% atm based on how mangas usually work out) then I say he is even more retarded than common shounen lead (and common shounen leads are already in a retard class of its own). Anyway to end this talk, I don't give a ... about what her motives and her moral standards/inteligence were. Don't even care if she's virgin or not, its normal these days for girls do to it <15y old. I'm more interested in utsumi and other girls and how will they make this relationship drama goes on, as this past story will fix itself out. Imo utsumi should just hug this drama queen and maybe say one or two bittersweet words and it would be fixed, but no he chickened out. |
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2011-01-22, 23:35 | Link #2085 | |
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I've studied quite a few schools of morality in my time (all 19 years of it) and I believe that practically no philosopher of any reknown would agree that it is moral to use someone for money.
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2011-01-23, 00:03 | Link #2086 |
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I'm still not convinced that Touru had a bet going on the side at all. I think that the evil kids in their class egged Touru on to have sex with Yuki and suggested the location as a "safe place" where neither kid's parents would ever find out. Then some of these kids held him back at the front gate of the school (or somewhere) the next day while the rest looked at the tape in class, specifically so that they could push it in Yuki's face in front of the class, while CLAIMING that Touru had a bet with them.
If I were a betting man, speaking of bets, I'd wager the Mangaka is going to spring on us that Touru was driven solely by pride and hormones. He wanted to have sex with his childhood pal to an extent now that they were "going out", but more than anything, his vanity was threatened by the kids in the class who wanted to take a pretty boy down a few pegs. It may turn out that both Touru and Yuki's parents are people of means, and the utter lack of decorum and idiotic loss of judgement cause both families to mitigate the damage to their house names and agree to sequester and separate the pair for good. That would explain WHY Yuki never saw Touru again and why, now that he's older and has some freedom to move about, he seemed so desperate to talk to Yuki. This story isn't into it's final arc yet folks... it's just gearing up! |
2011-01-23, 00:21 | Link #2087 | |
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2011-01-23, 00:43 | Link #2088 |
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With how cheerful Tooru looked, it seems like he doesn't feel too guilty about the incident. I wonder if he even knows how badly Yuki was affected by it. It's as if Yuki just abruptly left and had Tooru had no idea it was his fault.
I have a feeling that Tooru will be a very easily influenced, dense character, where he did care for Yuki, but he was peer pressured into thinking a sex tape would be a good idea. He will be victimized in some way just so whatever good will he has will be salvaged. That way, he would keep his spot as Utsumi's rival in love after he makes amends with Yuki. |
2011-01-23, 01:03 | Link #2089 | |
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2011-01-23, 01:16 | Link #2090 | |
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A. If he is totally innocent it devalues everything Yuki went through and the level of rage that would be generated would be unprecidented. B. If he was innocent, he would have gone to look for yuki when he found out. NOTHING would have stopped him, he would have screamed blue bloody murder even if everyone else tried to keep him away from her if he really did love her. C. Noone is stupid enough to take advice from friends as to precisely when and where to go do their girlfriend because it's highly obvious that they are going to come and watch. D. How the hell would the guys KNOW the exact time he would be there. It's nearly impossible. There are faaaaar too many coincidences that would be required for Touru to be innocent. Sure if this was KNIM I would say yeah, it is possible. But this is GE, and it's unlikely. This being said, I don't think it was his plan for it to be videoed. But the fact that he never came looking for Yuki speaks volumes. If he was innocent he would be trying to clear his names at ALL costs. |
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2011-01-23, 01:41 | Link #2091 | |
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2011-01-23, 02:01 | Link #2092 | |
et tu, brute?
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man i just love utsumi's reaction, i can connect with him in some ways, although his response in the latest chapter was kinda "wimpy" for some guys, but seriously if you were in his shoes, you lied if you dont feel nothing after that revealation. Now praying utsumi doesnt grief and gets emo for 10 chapters , hopefully not good ending has been an enjoyable ride so far
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2011-01-23, 09:39 | Link #2093 | ||
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C/D. These guys are still in junior high. If these guys really were his "friends"(or if Tooru thought they were his "friends"), you would never expect them to set up a camera and record you. This is especially true with younger people, who are easier to peer-pressure/convince and whose notion of "friendship" is rather simple in comparison to how, say, an adult in his/her mid/late 20s. So if your "friends" say "You know, on Wed at 6pm, classroom X is empty because clubs don't practice. You could do whatever you want in there, heh.", the last thing you would think would be that you are being set up or recorded with some secret camera(assuming it WAS a secret and someone wasn't following them and recorded it somehow). Maybe if you were some shy introvert, you'd be skeptical, but not if you are a more outgoing person with many friends, like Tooru is presented to be. |
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2011-01-23, 10:12 | Link #2094 |
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Question: Was Toru that broke that he couldn't afford to take Yuki to a nice little Onsen hideaway or even a love hotel ?
Or was he just dumb ? This is their first time having sex, so why not make the scenery and memory great ? Why not have true privacy and room to be truly intimate ? He grew up with Yuki. She was a virgin. Had he no respect for that let alone understood the significance ? Was he that desperate the get laid and prove his manhood, that he would have first sex in a dirty high school gym shed ? When a woman or young girl is in love, they will do whatever the man says in many instances. It is not that they cannot help it. It is that they do not want to help it. They want to please the Man/Boy they are in love with. A woman puts her blind trust in the man she loves almost in the same way that a child puts blind trust in Mother. She expects to be taken care of safely and properly. I do not have any issue with what and how Yuki did what she did. I do have an issue with Toru, choosing a dirty gym store room. It shows weakness. Weakness that Yuki wanted to test Utsumi on... "How far would he go to gain Shou's heart ?" Weakness that Yuki found in Toru, that left her exposed and badly hurt... however, seeing Utsmu, on the floor, bowing and begging her not to tell anyone he was "peeping" gave her hope. "Maybe there are men, who would go to extremes to protect the woman he cared about, and would atually "SACRIFICE" some part of his manly pride for her sake. Just some thoughts. |
2011-01-23, 10:32 | Link #2095 | |
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2011-01-23, 10:46 | Link #2097 | |
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Little ditty about jack and diane Two american kids growin up in the heartland Jackies gonna be a football star Diane debutante backseat of jackies car Suckin on chilli dogs outside the tastee freeze Diane sittin on jackies lap Hes got his hands between her knees Jackie say, hey diane lets run off Behind a shady tree Dribble off those bobby brooks Let me do what I please Happens everywhere, all the time, all over the world and these two children treated it no differently. |
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2011-01-23, 10:51 | Link #2100 |
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So I came back to read the latest chapter since I saw a message saying it was finally time for Yuki's past to be revealed. To be honest, I wasn't surprised at any of the details since it was guessed at forever ago, but the one thing I hated about this manga still hasn't changed to this day.
Utsumi. Needs. A. Backbone. My god he's pathetic. This would most likely be one of my top rated mangas if he wasn't so weak. The guy needs to take notes from Toru in Iris Zero. Now THAT is an interesting male lead. Hell, he's even aware of his feminine side (those who've read the latest side stories will understand this, and it's hilarious to boot). Then again...maybe that's why Iris Zero is becoming one of my favourites? Last edited by Somnus; 2011-01-23 at 10:53. Reason: Edited to emphasize my opinion |
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