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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 27 | |||
10: Amazing... | 5 | 11.63% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 8 | 18.60% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 11 | 25.58% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 12 | 27.91% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 6 | 13.95% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 1 | 2.33% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-04-16, 19:33 | Link #101 | |
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If Zeheart wanted to simply use Asemu to ensure Ezelcant's backup plan worked, he would not have saved him once Downes blew up. I think the their goals just happened to be the same, and there's no point in looking too much into that.
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2012-04-16, 19:56 | Link #102 |
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The distinction is that while the Vagans hate the Earth Fed, they revere Earth and don't want to see it get damaged. So even though they're at war, they also don't want to see it harmed by something like a giant fortress causing a nuclear impact site, etc.
Unlike the Blue Earth group or w/e from Seed Destiny that were crazy and would use any means to see through their goals. |
2012-04-16, 22:26 | Link #103 |
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I must say i'm pretty impressed with Flit and his strategy , i think its the first time i'm impressed with 2nd gen Flit.
For a long time now, i have refrained from talking about the plot cause we don't have the full picture of Ezelcant's plan. Even though i don't know the full extent of this 'back-up' plan of his , i figured i must still let some steam out. It seems to be implied that sending troops down to earth isn't some 'back-up plan', and it seems really ridiculous to have the it exist. It's as if it was some lousy excuse for them failing the operation, and if it really was Ezelcant's intention from the start it seems really ridiculous to sacrifice so many troops for the sake of sending a couple of people/MS down to earth . I don't believe that by now Ezelcant wouldn't already have moles/MS down on earth, in fact i believe if he wanted he could have done so a long time ago. I wonder what's this great plan of his that is taking so freaking long, after so many years have past(during the time skips) i can't believe that nothing significant has been achieved. While i understand that the director wants to protray the 3 generations story line, i would be very disappointed if the reason nothing much happened during the time skip was just a plot device to keep the 3 gen story line going. And wow, after so long the colony destroyer finally makes it appearance again. I wonder where the hell they were when they were needed. 'Plot' hole ? Still, looking at this episode as a stand alone episode, i voted 10. Though to think about it , i was supposed to vote a 9. But whatever.
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2012-04-16, 22:38 | Link #104 |
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No, the original plan was to have Downes link up with Nortrum, and use it as a forward operating base. That would have been the ideal outcome for Ezelcant. He says that the plan cannot possibly fail because even if they fail to capture the colony, and Downes is destroyed, they can still use that to their advantage like they did here. He essentially crafted a win-win scenario, that at best would net them a nice colony to support their war effort. At worst they'd be able to invade Earth undetected, and we all know how important the element of surprise is!
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2012-04-17, 00:24 | Link #105 |
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Hell, as far as leaders go, Ezelcant seems pretty reasonable towards his own men on the whole. Other antagonist leaders in Gundam series would've had their men punished or executed for a failure as big as the Big Ring operation, but he didn't... and then there's this, so yeah. He has something of a heart towards his own people, at least.
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2012-04-17, 00:47 | Link #106 | |
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Ezelcant took the Big Ring Operation Plan B a success as it was a good way to measure the Federation's strength. The destruction of the fortress Plan B allowed the Vagans to infiltrate Earth. |
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2012-04-17, 09:53 | Link #107 | |
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2012-04-17, 13:37 | Link #108 |
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Well that's exactly why his plan is taking so long, because taking over by force is easy, but then you risk making your objective useless to you. If Vagan drop a colony on the capital of the EF ala Zeon, they'd probably win, but then the Earth would be useless to them.
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2012-04-17, 13:59 | Link #109 |
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that's a classic Gundam death flag. Marriage proposal = people are gonna die and get really messed up. Remi and Obright could have taken it slowly.... she would still be alive.
How about the next episode? Segue into third protagonists story or the second half of Asemu arc? Zeheart is now on Earth. Romary is going to run away with him. Arisa is going to be Kio's mom. . . Asemu is now taking up Woolf's mantle as the Supa Pilot. Flit: Grandpa in classic looking Gundam Asemu: Dad without x-rounder powers but will grow sideburns and ride around in white de-AGEd Gundam Bouncer. |
2012-04-17, 16:23 | Link #110 |
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My problem with plan B is that it didn't require all this effort. If the goal was to get people onto the Earth how hard would it be really to sneak people onto ships heading to Earth? We've already seen how sad the security is on the colonies, shouldn't be that hard to get Vagans onto the Earth without needing a full scale battle. I'd say Ezelcant's plan failed and with sneaking the pods onto Earth they only managed to avoid it being a complete disaster. But with a mysterious leader like Ezelcant anything that happens no matter how random can be considered part of the plan.
I only feel sorry for Remi. Obright was the one waving around death flags like an idiot. Every time we saw him he was trying to wave that flag a little bit more. In the end Remi paid the price for flagrant effort to upset the Gundam gods. At least the episode went well for Asemu. Looked more competent to his father and everyone with how he helped save the day there. Also helped repair the rift between him and Romary a little and get her to show more concern for him than I've seen in a while. To top it off was able to work with Zeheart a bit. An Asemu that isn't depressed or raging is easier to get along with. While still on opposite sides this chance to work together was key for their severely damaged friendship. I hadn't thought about it, but yeah the Vagans really can't have ships dropping onto the Earth or anything. Can't use it as their Eden if it's destroyed. Thought it was a bit too early for Asemu's arc to end. Now things heading to Earth and Asemu taking on the Woolf mantle. He may never have gotten to pilot a white Gundam, but at least Asemu can be a kind of successor to him and take that on.
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2012-04-17, 16:36 | Link #111 | ||
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What bothers me is that I don't see how a few thousands people are going to be able to do. Even as sleeper cells, it'd take some help on the ground to slip them into good covers. And if they were able to get people on the ground before, then yeah - what would they need that big, costly battle for? Quote:
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2012-04-17, 16:42 | Link #112 |
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My guess is that with only relatively few Vagans making it to Earth, they'll need some time to regroup, coordinate with each other, then sneak/smuggle in more Vagans to get up viable production to create mobile suits before they can begin fighting again.
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2012-04-17, 17:08 | Link #113 | ||
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Does seem like they will have way too few people to really fight a war. Of course works out fine for generation 3 since it gives some reason for why we can have another gap. It's definitely not much of a plan B since with so few people they can only do so much. Maybe they can try and conquer a few small countries and dig in. Quote:
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2012-04-17, 17:29 | Link #114 | ||
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2012-04-18, 04:34 | Link #115 | |
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2012-04-18, 07:28 | Link #116 | |
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No but, the lack of earth in Gen 1/2 annoyed me slightly, it feel good that we're finally going to see the good old lady animated. This episode felt too rushed for my taste, the previous one was a solid 9/10 for me, giving this one a 6/10. |
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2012-04-18, 11:30 | Link #117 |
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In slightly less random fashion, I rewatched the scene and noticed that it wasn't so much that Remi got instantly gibbed by Mink, but that her warning system went off and she went up to shield the bridge from Mink's attack.
I realized the really effed up part of this though -- while they were all really shaken up at Woolf's death -- they don't even acknowledge the sacrifice Remi made for them by shielding the bridge. Even with Obright going out there, not even an offhand comment was made about her and they go about their business as usual. Kinda cold... PS: What is it with Gundam and cracking helmet glass? Why are they even still made out of glass? You think by now they would use enamelized plastic ala ballistic types to avoid that. |
2012-04-18, 12:08 | Link #118 | |
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