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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 18 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 23 | 35.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 23.08% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 9.23% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.54% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.54% | |
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2013-03-01, 17:25 | Link #161 | ||||||
I disagree with you all.
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In PP's Japan, though... Even if I don't want to murder anybody, can I trust the machine will see that? So, whether I suspect actual corruption or not, the result's the same: I can't trust it's going to be fair to my non-murderous self. Quote:
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2013-03-01, 17:40 | Link #162 |
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All of this is assuming that everywhere outside of Japan is better off. We have absolutely no clue what the outside world is like. There has to be a reason why Japan insists on being self-sufficient and isolated.
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2013-03-01, 17:41 | Link #163 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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And here's another thing. The biggest deterrence against allowing tourism isn't tourists themselves deciding they'd rather not visit a country where they might walk off the plane and get themselves tazed and drugged.
No. The biggest danger, is that after they taze and drug some tourist, the guys family back home try to turn it into an international incident. And if the country that decides to turn it into an international incident happens to be a country with force projection and a tendency towards military adventures and peace keeping? ...said nation probably wouldn't start a war over something like this. But Sybil Japan would end up on a shit list, and warrant extra scrutiny from the intelligence community. And some trigger happy meat heads will be laughing in their office, talking about how awesome it'd be to whoop Japans ass somehow. What happens when this intel agency realizes just HOW fragile internal security is in Japan? What happens if they run some war-games, and discover that even by Conservative projects, even a very small band of terrorists/commandos could have good odds to overthrow this government? If Sybil has survived this long, it's probably because they're a more well behaved North Korea on the world stage, intentionally minimizing conflict with other states, making everybody focus on more pressing matters. Quote:
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2013-03-01, 17:49 | Link #164 |
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You know, you do seem kind of hung up on this notion that innocent people "might" get judged. We haven't even seen it happen yet.
Ok wait, you're probably going to bring up that woman from the first episode right? The one that was gonna set the neighborhood on fire? The one whose CC went down after she dropped the lighter? The one who was shown to be on her way to recovery? Spoiler for same:
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2013-03-01, 18:01 | Link #165 | |
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Under the Sybil system, an innocent person is someone whose psychopass is under 100. It doesn't matter if their psychopass got pushed over 100 cause they were kidnapped and raped. It doesn't matter that it jumped over 300 because they believed the police were going to kill them in cold blood. All that matters is the number. That's what defines their innocence. Society in Psycho-Pass accepts this, because this is what they've been raised to accept as being normal. But would other countries accept the authority of Sybil to treat their citizens this way? Do nations that have judiciaries with their own definition of what innocent accept Sybils preemptive judgement? Spoiler for episode 19 spoilers:
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2013-03-01, 18:08 | Link #166 | |
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2013-03-02, 06:43 | Link #167 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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What you're saying has no bearing on what I'm claiming. This hypothetical isn't going to make foreign people coming to visit Psycho-Pass Japan willing to tolerate the random chance of getting tazed and drugged off the wall. And it's not going to deal with the can of worms of embassies demanding release of their arrested citizens. Dengar. Maybe YOU don't personally have a problem with this setup, but you're not exactly thinking about it if you can't imagine how ALLOT of people wouldn't have problems with it. The fact that the above justification works for some people (you, and the Sybil system), does not automatically confer acceptance across the world.
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2013-03-02, 09:04 | Link #168 | |
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The scan factors become a part of the travel physical exam just like what people have to go thru to make sure their vaccinations are up to date and whether or not they need to take prophylactic antibiotics with them. It requires that Japan shares their tech with the other country. If there is a significant increase in income due to it being a dangerous assignment, people would tolerate the scan. Think of it like being stationed in a US Embassy in places like Afghanistan.
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2013-03-02, 09:38 | Link #169 |
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Well, from my example, boy A, who will be doing the murdering, should be left alone, according to you, because he is "innocent", the logical conclusion is that boy B is just a sacrifice to be made for your "freedom".
EDIT: Er, this might be a little off track. I'm sorry. The point was, that if you're not a criminal, or mentally ill, or not recently traumatized by another criminal, you are safe. I think you and some other people are being rather paranoid about how the system works. And there's no way your hue gets red just because you're nervous. Remember, the hue of that guy in the factory was yellow-green, and he was murdering people. Last edited by Dengar; 2013-03-02 at 10:03. |
2013-03-02, 10:57 | Link #170 | |
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The pyscho-pass reading is about much more than mental health (that's only the hue) or tendency to commit crimes. Sybil judges people according to their own criteria of what a good citizen is (i.e, an obedient sheep). Anybody who doesn't fit is a latent criminal to them. Simply questioning or doubting the system can be enough to get you locked up. Thoughtcrimes very much exist under Sybil, and there is no way that is acceptable. I can't say I understand why you are so hung up on defending Sybil after the recent revelations. It's clear Japan has now turned into a totalitarian state, and I have a hard time fathoming how anybody could see it as a good thing. Sybil is little more than a smokescreen preventing people from seeing they have been robbed of their intellectual freedom.
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2013-03-02, 16:22 | Link #171 | ||
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No can do at that point. Because the whole point of the Sybil system is that the brains are secret.
And that's ignoring the potential danger in allowing contact between citizens and the outside world, which episode 19 suggests Sybil takes very seriously. Quote:
The problem with your argument is that you keep insisting that subjective self assessment is a reliable way to preemptively determine how a "machine" will evaluate you as being a threat. When you consider the possible consequences of making an "inaccurate" self-assessment, voluntarily boarding a plane to vacation in Psycho-Pass Japan is rather reckless behavior. ...Frankly I'd venture it's the exact kinda reckless behavior that might get you flagged as a latent criminal by Sybil. Quote:
More to the point. The fact that criminals have red hue's isn't necessarily a good argument that people with certain red hues are going to become violent criminals. What seems to have set Yayoi off as being a latent criminal was starting to like the music from a non approved band...and even after her imprisonment, she wasn't willing to join those people in a revolution against the state. Crime coefficient readings are often very accurate, but they're hardly totally reliable in the way you're implying. And...this is all irrelevant. It doesn't matter is Sybil is 100% trustworthy or not. What matters is whether or not people from other countries would trust it.
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2013-03-02, 22:04 | Link #172 | |
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You don't have to let the other country know how you're doing it. Japan can call it a national security secret and call it a day.
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2013-03-03, 01:21 | Link #174 |
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Wouldn't it be dangerous to have the Sybil system hooked up to the internet or wi-fi so that it could be accessed outside Japan? From the perspective of hacking and so forth. Then again, Sybil in Japan doesn't seem to get hacked much.
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2013-03-03, 07:33 | Link #176 | |||||
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2013-03-03, 23:13 | Link #177 | |
Waiting for more taiyuki!
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Well, if what's being kept out are people who can't produce anything meaningful and are just going to be reliant on Japan for care, then they need to stay on their side of the border. High risk jobs will have higher salaries. Some people will take risks for the income. Besides, they can minimize the risks by doing the screening beforehand, high level psych training of people going over for business and doing a lot of business meetings via Skype etc. Also, recalling those sent to Japan if counseling for their rating does not improve their rating.
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2013-03-18, 01:29 | Link #178 |
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Oohh, what a twweest.
I'd expect Kougami to be most likely to go rogue, but the manner in which it was done felt more heartbreaking than anticipated, especially with Akane's earlier save. And the chief is getting more ominous as we go on. But hey, when the law won't protect people, is it up to us?
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