Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by Drakkar77

I know it's being crude but I just have to ask everyone's opinion with this scene. What do you all think is going on there?

Is it just me or is there some seriously, purposeful miscommunication between the narrator (Kyousuke) and the reader? The reason is also a little bit later, right before the meeting w/ Kuroneko and Saori he says that thinks a lot of us misunderstood what went on with the below scene. Seems to me that he's being an unreliable narrator again and/or it could be another restriction by the publisher and this is his way around it. That quote is under the first.

BTW when I try to use the spoiler for some reason it doesn't show up. That's the reason I'm having to use quotes and make the page longer.

Can you explain what do you mean by 'purposeful miscommunication' ? If you meant the offline meeting with Saori and Kuroneko later then yes, I agree.

By the way, since I just finished translated Vol 12 Afterwords a few minutes ago, here is my impression about OreImo as a whole and vol 12 (or you might call it translator's rant). Please forgive if some part sound weird, I was kind of in a trance when I typed it.

Spoiler for Translator's impression/Translator's rant:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ewhrnqlt47nxwa/Ore%20no%20Imouto%20Vol%2012%20Chapter%205.doc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6p6ibwxbc...hapter%206.doc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8z8ud2vvxs...20Epilogue.doc

Okay, I said it’s my impression about OreImo as a whole, but first, let me started from the beginning.

I got a friend. An online friend. Let’s call him RZ for now (so that I could make fun of him later). He is the one who showed me OreImo. But let’s talk about him now. He is working in Japan at the moment, in Square Enix if my memory is right. There is a rumor that his parents kicked him to another country (he is not Japanese) because he entered imouto route in real life. I don’t know how much of it is true, but there are few facts here:

1. He said “Since my imouto is so beautiful, I feel absolutely nothing when I saw a beautiful girl on the street.”
2. He also said “As I stood in front of my imouto’s wardrobe, despite knowing that for the last ten years, she had nothing but white pantsu, yet I still opened it while hoping to see a different color, with green stripes, lace, black rims blah blah blah ... but in reality, I saw nothing but white pantsu and I felt like this

(Also, there is another rumor that his imouto is coming to Japan to live with him. And her favorite manga is Onii-chan control)
He is a guy like that. And one day, he wrote a troll-like review for OreImo, which he openly compared his life with Kyousuke. Thus I think “hell, this guy’s life is a comedy already, there is an anime with the same setting?” – and I watched OreImo (back then, I didn’t even know that it has a light novel)

The first things I like about OreImo was, of course – Kirino (surprised? Nah I guess not, I had openly admited that I’m a Kirino shipper many times before). The way she talked about eroge, anime, the happy expression she had on her face when she told Kyousuke about them. I envied that. True, my younger brother is an otaku too, I got some otaku friends myself (mostly online, but some offline too), but I had never seen someone looked so damn happy when talking about their hobby like that. I guess I started cheering for Kirino since that moment.

Some might say that Kirino is like a bitch in anime. I don’t agree. As an elder brother myself, I have been trainned since birth to protect my younger siblings (I turned my younger brother into an otaku, a gamer – Even better than me, so I guess I did a good job). So I was actually more annoy with how Kyousuke ignored Kirino. To me, Kirino’s tsun side is her way of trying to get Kyousuke’s attention. Why didn’t she? She had a lot to boast about: beauty, good grade and so… , yet Kyousuke ignored them? I saw it as a failure as an elder brother, but thankfully he is protective of her enough to balance it. And frankly, compared to other tsundere (Louise(FoZ) use a freaking whip and explosion, while Aria(HnA) used a gun/sword), Kirino treatment toward Kyousuke is quite light.

In later episode of season 1, when Kyousuke finally showed his brother instinct, I was all agree with him. To stand on your sibling’s side no matter what, this is what an elder brother supposed to do. Funny thought, when I saw him screamed ‘I LOVE MY LITTLE SISTER’ to Ayase, I immedialy checked the novel, and the way it stated that even he didn’t know what is he talking about lead me to believe that this is his subconscious speaking. That was the moment I started to ship both of them. The party at the episode 10 was so heart warming, to see both of them getting along fine after so long.

After that, I noticed the OreImo project on Baka-tsuki was almost stopped for god know how long. I tried to gather some member, but they can’t keep up with my speed. I get a chapter done in a week, but I need 2 more weeks to find someone to proofread them, and another 2 weeks to get their result (most of the time, it’s even longer). To tell the truth, I was discouraged back then. But I thought ‘hell, as if I care. I will translate them, no matter what.’. Then I meet GH-Basestone. He got the job done! He was my first real proofchecker. Thank you, GH-Basestone, for everything.

In later volume of light novel, especially volume 7 and forward, what I felt slowly changed. First, volume 7 confirmed my suspicious that Kirino did have romantic feeling toward Kyousuke, and Kyousuke unconsciously love her back. Her fake date is a way for her to enjoy spending time with him (too bad he ruined her mood at the end). And come volume 8. At first, I didn’t think much of Kuroneko. But reading their clumsy, full of mistake first love, first date brought a smile to my face. Her break up shocked me as much as everyone else. With later volume, when more and more girls joined in the fight, she is still my second favorite after Kirino. The scene when they broke up for real in volum 12 is heart breaking. It made me remember a familiar scene from Clannad, Kyou Fujibayashi’s route. They still love each others, but Kyousuke didn’t choose her. She tore up the Destiny Record, while Kyousuke forced himself to hold back his tear. This…this…damn…my eyes tears up a bit when I read it.

Volume 12 Impression

Originally, I intented to separate this part, but in the end, I guess I can’t give my impression of the whole series without giving my impression about the last volume. Well, for one thing, the Super-Kyousuke is good to read. It’s a bit frightening how far Kyousuke would go once he decided to do something. First, like with Kuroneko, he could translate Kirino’s words now. Secondly, the way he admited his feeling and break up with Kuroneko/Ayase, while painfully to read, is worthy of a man. And third, when Manami pressed him, he finally showed that he would go to whatever length nessassry to protect Kirino. Even Manami was taken back by this. He is, at long last, showed me how he earned Kirino’s respect, how many girls fall for him.

And Kirino’s reaction was heart warming. From the recording, we found out that Manami’s word three years ago had hit right on the mark. Kirino loves Kyousuke, maybe back then was only as a sibling. But since she was forced to hide it, she turned into a brocon, a big tsundere. Everytime that feeling resurfaced, everytime Kyousuke get affectionated with her, she both wanted and afraid of it at the same time. And thank for Kyousuke’s confession, for Ayase and Kuroneko’s pressing, she was able to let it out, to answer ‘Yes’ to a proposal. I like that scene. I really do.

Next is the wedding. Right, the wedding. The most important question that we all asked ourselves : What would they do next? Well, I think there is only one possible answer : they continued their relationship, maybe in a lesser degee, maybe in secret, who knows? Now, you asked why? There were several reason I believe they would continue loving each others.

First, they said they returned to normal sibling. What is their defination of ‘normal sibling’? Heck, maybe they might had different definations. Normal sibling, true, might not kissing each other. But getting jealous when the other had a boy/girlfriend? Yeah, that still counted as normal for them. So in eroge term, they had 99% full affection point.

Second, even if they returned to normal, many things will not simply disappear. The uniform that Kirino took from Kyousuke remained. The recording they heard together remained. And now they were even more aware of each other’s feeling. In my opinions, Kirino’s tsun side is her way of dealing with her feeling toward Kyousuke. In volume 9, she admited that this is abnormal. She knew that she shouldn’t feel this way, so she ended up deny everything, fearing the worst. But with Kyousuke returned her feeling, she has nothing to be afraid of anymore.

Third, Kyousuke cut off all of his escape routes. Kirino knew it. She knew that he did it for her, for her only. So dumping him completely now would be horrible, would hurted him beyond imagination. I doubted she would do that for someone she love.

Fourth, the limited time lover was their way to express their supressed feeling. However, their feeling also grew during that time. So I think that wouldn’t work. Instead, it brought them even closer.

Fifth, the epilogue. Kirino, acting all dere dere and asked for a ring. Seriously, a ring? With her money, she could buy everything herself, yet she asked for a ring? Especially a ring that can be used in public without risk? Added in the ‘life counseling’ keywork, the way she looked back and asked him to follow her, I bet they still love each other. Who knows? Siblings aren’t allowed to marry, but they had married. Maybe the law don’t accept it, but they did. Why do they even care?

All in all, OreImo is a great novel, a good anime. I like how everyone was shown with complex characteristic, with hidden depth and feeling. Even Kyousuke, as dense as he was, is a puzzle for himself. I realy enjoy reading it, enjoy watching it, enjoy translating it.

[GVN.Chaos]

Hey guys, I heard that there Tsukasa Fushimi posted an OreImo X Toaru Kagaku no Railgun crossover on his website. Can anyone please help me check if that's true?

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Hey guys, I heard that there Tsukasa Fushimi posted an OreImo X Toaru Kagaku no Railgun crossover on his website. Can anyone please help me check if that's true?

I've read the Chinese version of it, it's true. You can find some of the teasers/comments from me about it here and here.

[Wadjet]

I just want to thank the translator for doing this for us. I really enjoyed the stor, one of my favorite ever



I was actually rooting for Kirino since the beginning, but as they were siblings I would have been content if they had just settled their differences and been on good terms, I was actually thinking he was going to end with Manami of Kuroneko.


The one thing I did not want is for them halfway or at the end of the series to pull a "oh but we aren't related by blood!" scenario, as it would have been such a cop out an would have ruined all the tension in earlier scenes.

I applaud the author for ending it the way it did, it could have been a true open ended ending but I personally hate those, and this one while the future is uncertain, I feel that everyone confirmed their feelings.


again thanks to everyone that worked on this I really appreciate it, one of the most unique rom com endings out there and I thoroughly enjoyed it

[Wilshere]

Anyone wondered why didn't Kirino and Kyousuke tell Kuroneko and Saori that they will be ''limited time lovers''?

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

Anyone wondered why didn't Kirino and Kyousuke tell Kuroneko and Saori that they will be ''limited time lovers''?

Imagine telling Kuroneko "oh, by the way, I dumped you because I want to love my little sister for a limited time"
(This can't end well....)
Beside, considered that even Manami didn't know, I suspect that during that limited time, Kyousuke considered they are true lover, thus there is no need to mention that time limit.

[SeekTheKhalique]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

Anyone wondered why didn't Kirino and Kyousuke tell Kuroneko and Saori that they will be ''limited time lovers''?

I would guess it's because they wanted to enjoy their relationship for as long as they could without dwelling on the fact that it wouldn't last forever. They probably wanted to have as 'normal' of a relationship as they could. In the novel (spoiler) when Manami was threatening to tell Kirino and Kyosuke's father of their relationship Kirino almost told Manami of their arrangement, that it was temporary, but Kyosuke interrupted and instead admitted his love for his sister/girlfriend. My guess, it was because he wanted to have as 'normal' of a relationship as possible.

Off topic but I'm new to this forum site so idk how to put those spoiler tags so if someone could help me out with that it'd be really appreciated!!

[sky black swordman]

^ That info should be here, just go to part 2. That should show you how to set spoiler tags.
For more information you can go to the Spoiler Policy Q&A thread.

[Wilshere]

^^ It's confusing tho. Of course they are lovers, no doubt(they still are anyway). He loves Kirino so Kuroneko would be rejected anyway. About the Manami incident, we all know why Kirino wanted to say the agreement before Kyousuke stopped her, mixed feelings about this, can't come up with words.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Imagine telling Kuroneko "oh, by the way, I dumped you because I want to love my little sister for a limited time"
(This can't end well....)
Beside, considered that even Manami didn't know, I suspect that during that limited time, Kyousuke considered they are true lover, thus there is no need to mention that time limit.

Well, yeah. The point is that there was no ambiguity in his choice. He didn't want to give the impression that this was just some fling and that after it was over he was going to be "available" again. If that was his intention, there would have been no reason to dump the other girls in the first place.

In fact, I honestly wonder if they're ever even going to tell them anything changed even after the fact. I'm guessing there's no reason to tell them, because it would only re-open old wounds. If they want to keep on believing that Kyousuke and Kirino are in that kind of relationship, given that they've already accepted it anyway, it's probably better that way.

Basically, the "time limit" was just them bargaining with themselves. It's like people who indulge themselves and eat way too much food and sweets during the holidays (or any other vice; smoking, gambling, whatever...), but convince themselves that it's okay because they'll go back to their regular routine when it's all over. This way they could allow themselves to do whatever forbidden thing they wanted during that time, with the excuse that they needed to get it out of their system before the deadline. The only thing it did is it made them feel better about that "bad things" they were doing at the time; as Kyousuke said, it eliminated the anxiety they both felt. But it implies that they weren't going to get addicted, and that they'd actually be able to stop. And the epilogue essentially shows that they couldn't really stop, as expected; she's still having him indulge her, and he still loves her (and she still loves him too, of course). So their little bargaining game was completely pointless (as it usually is), hence they're back to "life counselling". In other words: the time limit was a convenient lie they both allowed themselves to believe so they could move forward without worry, which is a theme that should sound awfully familiar by now.

[Drakkar77]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

But it implies that they weren't going to get addicted, and that they'd actually be able to stop. And the epilogue essentially shows that they couldn't really stop, as expected; she's still having him indulge her, and he still loves her (and she still loves him too, of course). So their little bargaining game was completely pointless (as it usually is), hence they're back to "life counselling". In other words: the time limit was a convenient lie they both allowed themselves to believe so they could move forward without worry, which is a theme that should sound awfully familiar by now.

This is the biggest issue any kind of relationship with a family member. With someone who was a stranger when they met and not related by blood or adopted, ties can be broken if both of people decide that the relationship cannot work. While it is possible break off communications with someone in your family, this would be extremely difficult to do and would be very awkward for other family members. I would venture to say, it's not really likely to happen.

Thus ending a romantic relationship as the one that Kirino and Kyousuke have would be one of the hardest things in the world to do, imo anyway.

[risingstar3110]

I need a catchphrase that clearly suggest that it is from or aboutKirino, any suggestions, anyone?

Ask here because I won't mind if it was spoiling last volume

[ices]

^ Huh!! Are you stupid! Die you siscon!

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by ices

^ Huh!! Are you stupid! Die you siscon!

The problem is that this doesn't work without adding the *glance back with one eye to check his reaction while blushing profusely out of embarrassment* pose right after. Tsunderes...

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The problem is that this doesn't work without adding the *glance back with one eye to check his reaction while blushing profusely out of embarrassment* pose right after. Tsunderes...

True story, but any catchphrase about Kirino (to Kyousuke) has to include "gross" or "disgusting".

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by ices

^ Huh!! Are you stupid! Die you siscon!

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The problem is that this doesn't work without adding the *glance back with one eye to check his reaction while blushing profusely out of embarrassment* pose right after. Tsunderes...

Originally Posted by SigUp

True story, but any catchphrase about Kirino (to Kyousuke) has to include "gross" or "disgusting".

Yeah probably would be much better if can post that picture along with that catchphrase....

I think i will use it for now. Ore no Imōto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai is a bit too long, while My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute will make me appear like a siscon to those who don't know (rather than bring up their curiosity)


But tell me if anyone think of a better one. As long as it can suggest that it is about or from Kirino

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I think i will use it for now. Ore no Imōto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai is a bit too long, while My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute will make me appear like a siscon to those who don't know (rather than bring up their curiosity)

Then just Oreimo like it's also called in short?

[Wilshere]

http://www.oreimo-anime.com/story/
Synopsis of Episodes 14-16

クリスマス直前のある日、京介は思い立ったように家から出た。雪の舞う夕暮れの街を歩く京介は、ある人物に 自分の気持ちを伝えることを決心し、走り出した。たどりついた場所で京介を待ちかまえていたの は…。
桐乃の人生相談から始まった京介の物語はクライマックスに向け大きく動き出す。
果たして京介の選んだ結末とは――

Anyone can translate this?

[Kakurin]

Can't translate it directly from Japanese. What I can tell is it says something about the day before Christmas, Kyousuke walking on the street while its snowing, something about the story that began with Kirino's life counseling is heading for the climax. You could always use Google Translate . But for those who had other hopes / doubts this preview confirms that there is only one ending in the anime.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Can't translate it directly from Japanese. What I can tell is it says something about the day before Christmas, Kyousuke walking on the street while its snowing, something about the story that began with Kirino's life counseling is heading for the climax. You could always use Google Translate . But for those who had other hopes / doubts this preview confirms that there is only one ending in the anime.

Kuroneko rejection first then. Anyway its happening!!!