The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by scify

So you ascribe to the theory that Mikuru actually has character depth hidden behind her facade of uselessness? Interesting...

This is the sort of thing I have to do, given the TT route would suck otherwise.

I've always imagined Mikuru secretly being just a little bit like Shuffle's Kaede. Just a little bit.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Wait! Now this confuses me. I, by reading you Mitsuuru was under the impression it was quite the oposite, Mikuru being naturaly moe for Kyon while Mitsuuru tryes (and fails) to show of a bit. Also, I understood Mitsuuru confrontional personality as being a man who has the same personality as Mikuru but finds it ridiculous and trys (and fails) to change, or, at last appear differently. So, I understood Mikuru was the most natural of both. Not that he fakes his confrontatinal-ness, but is just his personality changes more then Mikuru's due to the envirronment.

Mikuru would stand up for herself a lot more if she wasn't playing a role. It's a theory a lot of the fandom has that she's just faking a lot of her moe-ness, and it's something I ascribe to.

In reality, she's probably a lot like Kaede, as above, or Sakura Matou.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Mikuru would stand up for herself a lot more if she wasn't playing a role. It's a theory a lot of the fandom has that she's just faking a lot of her moe-ness, and it's something I ascribe to.

In reality, she's probably a lot like Kaede, as above, or Sakura Matou.

I don't know... I remember Itsuki saying (in Chamed) he envys her because she do not acts before Haruhi... But this was Itsuki, so is kinda hard to tell...

Hmmm, if I understood well, you are saying you believe Mikuru partially like she appears to be but also play more her "moe" side? I mean, she is a coward useless girl, but exagerate a bit for Kyon.

(Interestingly, this you make both Itsuki's contradictory statement true, when he said she is faking, in Sighs and when he said he acts naturally with Haruhi (she indeed fake, but fo Kyon, not Haruhi)

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

In reality, she's probably a lot like Kaede, as above, or Sakura Matou.

Nah, I think she would be just like this...

A bit of steel underneath that velvet glove...

[scify]

STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT, I DON'T NEED TO GO TO CLASS.

Spoiler for September the Fifth, Day 4, Interlude 07: Irritation:

Irritation

"The room is even more of a mess than before."

"The food wrappers have increased in volume. There’s enough of them to paper the walls. (He had raided the cupboards downstairs.)"

"There appears to be an increase in the volume of garbage, but that’s because every drawer in the room had been emptied. (He had been searching for something.)"

"The pockets of every single piece of clothing (that had pockets) were turned inside out. (He had still been searching, but it’s not like a pocket could fit what he was looking for anyway.)"

"The stack of manga in the corner of the room had turned into a jumble of manga spreading out from the corner of the room, almost like a melting scoop of vanilla ice cream, with sprinkles, that had fallen onto the ground, and splattered little bits everywhere. (He had wondered if they had gotten lost under the manga somehow.)"

"The room had not been like this when he had left for school this morning. (That was also when he had forgotten them, which had turned out to be a big mistake.)"

"At school, he had begun the day by interrogating his classmates about Kyonko’s whereabouts. (He had bullied Taniguchi and Kunikida so much that they had to be sent to the nurse’s office, and he the principal’s.)"

"No luck. No luck at all."

"During his first break, he had rushed to Itsuko Koizumi’s classroom to interrogate her classmates. (They weren’t the least bit intimidated by him.)"

"No luck. No luck at all."

"During his next break, he went to Yuuki Nagato’s classroom a few doors down to interrogate his classmates. (Terrified of the angry and clearly upset intruder, they said they didn’t know where he was, but that it wasn’t uncommon for him to miss a class or two.)"

"No luck. No luck at all."

"During lunch break, he had gone to Mitsuuru Asahina’s classroom to beg his classmates to tell him where he had gone. (They didn’t know.)"

"No luck. No luck at all!"

"Even Tsuruya, who might have known something, wasn't there either. (No cause for more concern; his classmates had said that he had 'called in bored'.)"

"No luck, no luck, no luck, no luck! No luck at aaaaaallllll!"


"Haruki Suzumiya had gone home after that."

"He walked home in the rain, not having bothered to bring an umbrella. On some level, he blamed himself for what had happened."

"Being soaked was all he deserved."


"It was about this time that the rain began to get noticeably worse. Except that he didn’t notice."

"Haruki Suzumiya wished that he could break something. He didn’t, but something else did."

"Somewhere in the city, a building crumbled. A lot of people died."

"Acceptable. (But not for the bereaved.)"


"When Haruki Suzumiya got home, he took all the snack food and candy out the kitchen, and went up to his room without a word to anyone or anything."

"When he had flopped down on his bed, he was intending to enjoy an afternoon of solitude and melancholy."

"It was about this time he noticed they were missing."


"And that was how the room had gotten into that state. (It was also because he had used up some of his pent-up energy throwing manga at the walls.)"

"Haruki Suzumiya is now in the mood to clean it all up. This is because he is irritated, and has nothing else to do."

"Nothing else at all. Because his xxxxxxxxxx are missing."

"Haruhi Suzumiya loved his xxxxxxxxxx so very much. They had been a present for one of his birthdays, and they were about the only thing he owned that he really took care of."

"He’d use them whenever he felt down. Or whenever he felt happy. Or whenever he felt anything."

"But his xxxxxxxxxx were gone. He was positive that they were gone. The room wouldn’t be such a mess if he hadn’t searched that hard."

"Do you understand what it means to lose something that you love so much?"

"Do you understand?"

"Do you really understand?"

"Do you really, truly, understand?"

"Do you really, truly, completely understand?"

"Haruki Suzumiya considered his xxxxxxxxxx to be his soul, and now they were gone."

"His soul had been taken from him."

"So it may be easy to understand why Haruki Suzumiya is so irritated."

"Irritation breeds frustration breeds Closed Spaces full of angry red giants. That’s the way of things."

"It’s late evening. Haruki Suzumiya is punching his pillow and trying not to cry. (Men don’t cry. Not real men. They hold in their tears until they’re full to burst.)"

"What is this? Why? Why? Why did they all leave him behind? Why?"

"Are they just playing with him? Are they just hiding? Did they sneak in here and steal his xxxxxxxxxx too?"

"Maybe they’re just inside my closet, laughing at me?"

"He wrenched open the closet door. No luck at all. It was empty."

"He had searched there earlier anyway. Why he’d expect to find anything in there now is anyone’s guess."

"Haruki Suzumiya wasn’t crying. He really wasn’t. (Men don’t cry. They hold in their tears until they’re full to burst.)"

"Instead, he punched a hole in his wall at the injustice of it all."

"He wasn’t sad. He wasn’t angry. He was merely irritated. That’s all he was. (Men hold in their tears until they’re full to burst.)"

"Outside the window, out in the rain and wind, thunder was rumbling."

"The news had said that this storm was record-setting. Something Haruki Suzumiya, until yesterday, would have cared about. He would done something crazy, like drag the SOS Brigade out in the wet and cold, just to witness the storm of the century."

"Is that why they left?"

"I’m sorry."

"I’m sorry."

"I’m so sorry."

"I'm goddamn sorry!"

"Please, just come back... I want to see all of your faces again..."

"I want to apologize. (I’m holding the tears in until I’m full to burst.) So please, please."

"Come back."



"I’m not crying."

[scify]

Spoiler for September the Fifth, Day 4: My Room- Headphones:

Headphones

"The first thing I did when I got home was dump my bag in my room, change out of my uniform, and then go downstairs to help my sister with her homework, like she asked."

"When I did that, there was nothing on my pillow whatsoever."


Kyon "So why, then, is there something on there now?"


"Sitting on top of my pillow is a set of yellow and grey headphones, plugged into a faded yellow xPod. Placed on top of them is a small white card with /“Happy Birthday Kyon/” printed on it."

"…To clear things up, it’s not my birthday. My birthday—"

"Someone’s knocking at my door. It’s my sister."


Sister "Hey, Kyon, can I borrow the scissors again?"

Kyon "Yeah, sure."


"Why she doesn’t just take them for herself, I don’t know. I never seem to find myself using them…."

"Where was I… right, the mysteriously appearing headphones."


"Unless my mother came upstairs and put them here while I was helping my sister… there should have been no way for anyone to get in here."

"…I look outside the window. The trellis is fine. No sign of climbing or any damage at all. Thank god, I don’t want to fix it again."

"No person could have left these here. So I guess I should regard this as a paranormal event… Exactly what should I do with these, then?"

"This xPod was probably expensive… although, taking a closer look, yellow wasn’t its original color… in fact, the yellow paint is peeling on the back, revealing the silver color beneath."

"…Did someone buy this used? I think if someone actually painted a music player, it would drop in value dramatically."

"Although, the headphones… I don’t listen to music as a hobby, but I can tell that these are extremely good quality headphones. Furthermore, they look brand new. Someone took very good care of these."

"The only sign of ownership is a series of Roman characters etched into the underside. On the left side is… C… O… O… L… and on the other side… S…H…R…I…N…E…"

"What does that even mean? I’ll have to grab a dictionary from downstairs later."

"Still, I have to wonder… if this thing is used, and still works despite the paint, does that mean there’s still music on it?"

"I’ve heard that music is a window to the soul. If I listen to what’s on here, I might find out something about the person who originally owned this."

"…Is it safe to put these on? They might make my head explode or something."

"That’s stupid. I put the headphones on, and try to find the “On” switch on the xPod."

"…Where are the buttons…? Ah, there’s something like that on the front. I couldn’t see because of the paint—"

"It turns on by itself."


Kyon "Wha—?"


"Disappear, remains, now this love burn"
"Is of the past, a painful prick in my heart"
"Together we'll overcome love"
"Another season, HERE IT COMES"

"A bittersweet song about lost love, sung by a young man, echoes into my ears."

"I listen to the song all the way through as I play with the xPod, trying to figure out how to turn it off. Apparently set on /“repeat/”, the song loops a few more times before I’m done."

"The person who originally owned these lost his love, huh…?"

"My mother called me a few times for dinner, but these headphones cancel noise so well that I didn’t hear her until she rapped loudly on my door."

"…"


"The burning remains in my heart"
"A painful love burn"

"HERE IT COMES"

"HERE IT COMES"

*KSSSSSSSSSSSSH*

[Nanao-kun]

Originally Posted by Heatth

I don't know... I remember Itsuki saying (in Chamed) he envys her because she do not acts before Haruhi... But this was Itsuki, so is kinda hard to tell...

Hmmm, if I understood well, you are saying you believe Mikuru partially like she appears to be but also play more her "moe" side? I mean, she is a coward useless girl, but exagerate a bit for Kyon.

(Interestingly, this you make both Itsuki's contradictory statement true, when he said she is faking, in Sighs and when he said he acts naturally with Haruhi (she indeed fake, but fo Kyon, not Haruhi)

So the amount of acting Mikuru does is dependent upon the situation.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The hell?! I'm gone for a couple days and not even an entire page was added? This project really has slowed down a lot.

Um... relevance... relevance...

Right. Mikuru can't be acting. Not a lot of people can pull off "pathetic" on a daily basis without actually being pathetic, and I have severe doubts she'd be one of them.

[bhl88]

Yeah it slowed down a bit or it's because everyone's busy XD

Poor Haruki... now he's begging for everyone to come back XD

[luap1138]

Shifting the topic, I have a question about the Day 5 Outline; I'm probably just misunderstanding something, so forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question:

Spoiler for Day 5 Outline:

[IF Thief =True, THEN]
-...Well, good luck out there, then... [Muttered Thanks; to POINT CHECK]
-...You know, my place is open... [The Low Bow; Kyonko+20; CooperationRoute=True; to Sneaking In]

IF RoutesClear >=5 THEN
-...Well, good luck out there, then... [Muttered Thanks; to POINT CHECK]
-...You know, my place is open... [The Low Bow; Kyonko+20; CooperationRoute=True; to Sneaking In]
-I'll find you a place to sleep, I promise. [Expressed Thanks, Kyonko+15, IF Rejected=False, THEN TrueRoute=True; IF Rejected=True, THEN FinalRoute=True; to Searching Around]

Does the Thief=True condition apply to the third choice as well, or is the RoutesClear >=5 condition the only one that matters? I'm asking this because, from what I can tell from the outlines and flowcharts, getting all 8 Hijack triggers, necessary for getting Rejected=True, bars you from getting Thief=True. Assuming Thief=True is also required for the third dialogue option, then this means that Final Route is inaccessable.

I hope that makes sense. As I said I probably just missed something in the outlines/flowcharts/writeups. If so, sorry.

Also, though I've been a long time lurker, this is my first actual post here! I hope to join the madness that is seitenkan .

[CrowKenobi]

As the official greeter seems to be MIA:

"WELCOME, YOU WILL SERVE KYONKO WELL"

And to join the madness, all you have to do is to contribute to one of the eventual off-topics that seem to never go away!

[Tensei]

I believe we should call this thread "The Madness of the Followers of Kyonko."

why are people talking about Mikuru here, I'm lost

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by luap1138

Shifting the topic, I have a question about the Day 5 Outline; I'm probably just misunderstanding something, so forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question:

Spoiler for Day 5 Outline:

[IF Thief =True, THEN]
-...Well, good luck out there, then... [Muttered Thanks; to POINT CHECK]
-...You know, my place is open... [The Low Bow; Kyonko+20; CooperationRoute=True; to Sneaking In]

IF RoutesClear >=5 THEN
-...Well, good luck out there, then... [Muttered Thanks; to POINT CHECK]
-...You know, my place is open... [The Low Bow; Kyonko+20; CooperationRoute=True; to Sneaking In]
-I'll find you a place to sleep, I promise. [Expressed Thanks, Kyonko+15, IF Rejected=False, THEN TrueRoute=True; IF Rejected=True, THEN FinalRoute=True; to Searching Around]

Does the Thief=True condition apply to the third choice as well, or is the RoutesClear >=5 condition the only one that matters? I'm asking this because, from what I can tell from the outlines and flowcharts, getting all 8 Hijack triggers, necessary for getting Rejected=True, bars you from getting Thief=True. Assuming Thief=True is also required for the third dialogue option, then this means that Final Route is inaccessable.

I hope that makes sense. As I said I probably just missed something in the outlines/flowcharts/writeups. If so, sorry.

Also, though I've been a long time lurker, this is my first actual post here! I hope to join the madness that is seitenkan .

I believe the Thief=True does apply. It wouln't make sense if doesn't. So, I believe the correct would be:

Spoiler for Day 5 Outline:

IF Thief=True And RoutesClear >=5 THEN
-...Well, good luck out there, then... [Muttered Thanks; to POINT CHECK]
-...You know, my place is open... [The Low Bow; Kyonko+20; CooperationRoute=True; to Sneaking In]
-I'll find you a place to sleep, I promise. [Expressed Thanks, Kyonko+15, IF Rejected=False, THEN TrueRoute=True; IF Rejected=True, THEN FinalRoute=True; to Searching Around]

(the code isn't, actually, like that. But that don't matter.)

Oh, yeah, be welcome. The madness might be frigthing at first, but it pass as soon yu become mad as well.

Originally Posted by Tensei

I believe we should call this thread "The Madness of the Followers of Kyonko."

why are people talking about Mikuru here, I'm lost

I agree about that name, but who is talking about Mikuru?

PP:
Oh, wait, I was one of the ones who was talking about Mikuru. That is why you shouldn't post while sleepy. I was actually talking about Mitsuuru. Talking about Mikuru is to help to understand MikuruMitsuuru.

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by Heatth

Talking about Mikuru is to help to understand Mitsuuru.

I believe you actually wanted to say that...

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

I believe you actually wanted to say that...

Why? Isn't true talking about Mikuru helps to understand herself? Can't you believe I totally write it in purpose and didn't made up an explanation latter?

Well, actually not, obviously. Yeah, it was indeed what I wanted to say. That is why you shouldn't post too late at night. (it worth saying it is past 4am here where I live)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

"Know yourself, know your animus and you hold the key to victory."

... Okay, so I changed it. Bite me.

[besieger]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

"Know yourself, know your animus and you hold the key to victory."

... Okay, so I changed it. Bite me.

OMNOMNOMNOMNOM

Actually counterparts have things that are the same and things that are completely different so it's nice to do a comparison.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I said BITE, not EAT!

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by luap1138

Does the Thief=True condition apply to the third choice as well, or is the RoutesClear >=5 condition the only one that matters? I'm asking this because, from what I can tell from the outlines and flowcharts, getting all 8 Hijack triggers, necessary for getting Rejected=True, bars you from getting Thief=True. Assuming Thief=True is also required for the third dialogue option, then this means that Final Route is inaccessable.

Ah, I knew I missed something... You're perfectly right.

I'll just remove Thief being a prereq for Final then... Final isn't even a route in the same way the others are, so it's easy...

Actually I should change that from "FinalRoute=True" to "FinalRoute=Unlocked"...

[Khu]

...

You are working with a premade engine, right?

That lets you do this easily right?

*imagines coding from scratch*

@_@

[besieger]

I'm just taking a... BIG bite.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Ah, I knew I missed something... You're perfectly right.

I'll just remove Thief being a prereq for Final then... Final isn't even a route in the same way the others are, so it's easy...

Actually I should change that from "FinalRoute=True" to "FinalRoute=Unlocked"...

That makes no sense in terms of code, actually. We'd probably just rename the variable to "FinalRouteUnlocked=True" instead.

Originally Posted by Khu

...

You are working with a premade engine, right?

That lets you do this easily right?

*imagines coding from scratch*

@_@

But we are.