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NightWalker XI · 2004-02-23, 08:06

Does anyone know where I can find a clean picture of one of the achemy arrays used in FMA?

If you know where I can find clear picture I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

rintaun · 2004-02-25, 20:43

I'm glad someone other than myself was asking this. I'd say that the best place to look is in wallpapers and such, like I did. There are two on the official FMA site: one above the navigation bar, and one on the background/history (i think) page. However, the second one, which is covered in a lot of japanese text, is also the one that is displayed as the background of the episode title. There are a few frames in each episode when you can pull this one out clearly. Another one I found was in an image, and I recovered it, as well as the one from the episode and the one from the FMA site, and touched them all up. I'll put them up on my web host, so yea. They will be at....

http://s87457547.onlinehome.us/fma/

If I do any more recoveries, I will put them in there as well, if I remember. ^_^

Hope this helps. Oh yea, if you find an image with a partial circle in it, and youd like me to recover it for you, go ahead and private message or email it to me.

NightWalker XI · 2004-02-26, 08:56

Hey thanks alot for the help

paladin · 2004-02-26, 19:50

There is one i made for a wallpaper for fullmetal-alchemist.com

It sports the same circle, not in full however, that the above link has as image #2.

Coincidentally, i know what circle it is and what it does

It is the very same circle that ed and al used when they tried to revive their mother.

Grab it on my site at www.fullmetal-alchemist.com, look in the left column for now its there under quick downloads

rintaun · 2004-02-26, 19:59

Indeed it is. I also believe I know what the third one is. It would have been in...... episode 16-18 I believe. Not sure though. I'm not going to say what it was used for so as to not spoil anything for anyone who is a little bit behind.

On a different note, I'm going to try to get another one, from the opening, but I will have to go in frame by frame to see if there is one where it isn't covered by text. It's only shown very briefly before the episode title is shown, and it is, I believe, a different one than what I have.

Also, if you want, I can put up one of my self-designed circles.

A Lamer · 2004-03-10, 17:37

thought I'd throw this in here; its the transmutation circle on mustangs gloves. I got alot of reference material and slapped it together in PS, with the same colors used in the anime. Its not 100% because I have a shaky hand (the flame, and the lizard) but its pretty damn accurate

demosthenes · 2004-03-10, 17:56

ahh the firey salamander.

is there any math or pattern to these circles?

A Lamer · 2004-03-10, 19:07

Usually theres some form of math to transmutation circles, but god knows what.

Umbrae · 2004-03-10, 22:16

the 2nd image from that page is the circle for the philosiphers stone. Which was a suprise to tucker, and ed said it just kind of poped into his mind. so it is not commonly used at all. just FYI.

A Lamer · 2004-03-10, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umbrae

the 2nd image from that page is the circle for the philosiphers stone. Which was a suprise to tucker, and ed said it just kind of poped into his mind. so it is not commonly used at all. just FYI.

actually that was the circle before ed modified it, he changed it into a 7 point circle, that one is 6.

Umbrae · 2004-03-10, 23:21

humm, I thought he changed it to a six point. . . dislexic, don't mind me =p

A Lamer · 2004-03-11, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Umbrae

humm, I thought he changed it to a six point. . . dislexic, don't mind me =p

The one on the floor was originally 6 point, and ed mirrored it to the ceiling. I dont know if he also changed the ceiling one, but he definatly changed the one on the floor, as seen here (warning, episode 20-22 spoilers)

Riese · 2004-03-11, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by demosthenes

ahh the firey salamander.

is there any math or pattern to these circles?

These all look like constructable(as defined by Euclid's Elements) patterns.
Namely, a straight edge(unmarked) and a compass is all you'll need. For some, you might theoretically need a stuck compass(if you want to tri-sect an angle with just those 2 items.)

It's pretty easy to draw a hexagon in a circle with that method but some of the others out there? Oooh. Not easy at all!

The 2nd and 3rd geometric patterns listed here can be done very easily:
http://s87457547.onlinehome.us/fma/

The snake will be a bit difficult but if you JUST want the circles and triangles? Easy.
The spiral inside the very first one will not be easy. It's not a golden spiral, which is a bit easier to make.

A lot of ancient Greek mathematics was about geometric construction. Things like how to make regular polygons(equal angles, equal side lengths) with a variety of side counts was something many of them explored.
Technology and numbering systems can limit or expand a society's ability to explore certain mathematical issues. I'm not sure if Edward's world uses decimals or calculators. The decimal numbering system was a key development in advancing mathematics.

Grav · 2004-03-11, 16:20

So does anyone have a good, decent image besides those listed above?

A Lamer · 2004-03-11, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grav

So does anyone have a good, decent image besides those listed above?

I'm currently working through the episodes I havent deleted, and tracing what I have enough reference for. I'll see if I can find a nice one

Grav · 2004-03-12, 16:23

Any luck..?

Sensei · 2004-03-12, 18:43

Hmmm nice arrays, well they'll go in my folders with my pictures of Systema Sephirotifica.

Good work anyone who remade them. The last one who appeared in Episode 22, the one who popped in Ed's mind, posted link a few post up, Anyone can do it on a white background ? Would be appreciated.

Thank you all.

demosthenes · 2004-03-12, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Lamer

The one on the floor was originally 6 point, and ed mirrored it to the ceiling. I dont know if he also changed the ceiling one, but he definatly changed the one on the floor, as seen here (warning, episode 20-22 spoilers)

the circle some how reminds me of a phinix.

AOforever1 · 2004-03-12, 23:14

Or you guys could make your own like I did for my sig

1337!

Grav · 2004-03-13, 00:17

I made one for my sig too, using the snake symbol thingy and trying to eyeball another image.

If anyone wants it, go ahead. It's a bit uneven though, it's okay if you resize it.

http://gsurge.com/misc/transmute.psd

2004-02-23, 08:06	Link #1
NightWalker XI Yare Yare... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jersey, UK Age: 37	Picture of Alchemy arrays... Does anyone know where I can find a clean picture of one of the achemy arrays used in FMA? If you know where I can find clear picture I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance

2004-02-25, 20:43	Link #2
rintaun Rune Alchemist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Age: 37	>:d I'm glad someone other than myself was asking this. I'd say that the best place to look is in wallpapers and such, like I did. There are two on the official FMA site: one above the navigation bar, and one on the background/history (i think) page. However, the second one, which is covered in a lot of japanese text, is also the one that is displayed as the background of the episode title. There are a few frames in each episode when you can pull this one out clearly. Another one I found was in an image, and I recovered it, as well as the one from the episode and the one from the FMA site, and touched them all up. I'll put them up on my web host, so yea. They will be at.... http://s87457547.onlinehome.us/fma/ If I do any more recoveries, I will put them in there as well, if I remember. ^_^ Hope this helps. Oh yea, if you find an image with a partial circle in it, and youd like me to recover it for you, go ahead and private message or email it to me.

2004-02-26, 19:59	Link #5
rintaun Rune Alchemist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Age: 37	indeed Indeed it is. I also believe I know what the third one is. It would have been in...... episode 16-18 I believe. Not sure though. I'm not going to say what it was used for so as to not spoil anything for anyone who is a little bit behind. On a different note, I'm going to try to get another one, from the opening, but I will have to go in frame by frame to see if there is one where it isn't covered by text. It's only shown very briefly before the episode title is shown, and it is, I believe, a different one than what I have. Also, if you want, I can put up one of my self-designed circles.

2004-02-26, 08:56	Link #3
NightWalker XI Yare Yare... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jersey, UK Age: 37	Hey thanks alot for the help

2004-02-26, 19:50	Link #4
paladin blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: rawr	There is one i made for a wallpaper for fullmetal-alchemist.com It sports the same circle, not in full however, that the above link has as image #2. Coincidentally, i know what circle it is and what it does It is the very same circle that ed and al used when they tried to revive their mother. Grab it on my site at www.fullmetal-alchemist.com, look in the left column for now its there under quick downloads

2004-03-10, 17:37	Link #6
A Lamer あほぉ& Join Date: Jan 2004	thought I'd throw this in here; its the transmutation circle on mustangs gloves. I got alot of reference material and slapped it together in PS, with the same colors used in the anime. Its not 100% because I have a shaky hand (the flame, and the lizard) but its pretty damn accurate

2004-03-10, 17:56	Link #7
demosthenes Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: right outside your window Age: 24	ahh the firey salamander. is there any math or pattern to these circles?

2004-03-10, 19:07	Link #8
A Lamer あほぉ& Join Date: Jan 2004	Usually theres some form of math to transmutation circles, but god knows what.

2004-03-10, 22:16	Link #9
Umbrae Generic Human Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: here	the 2nd image from that page is the circle for the philosiphers stone. Which was a suprise to tucker, and ed said it just kind of poped into his mind. so it is not commonly used at all. just FYI.

2004-03-10, 23:21	Link #11
Umbrae Generic Human Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: here	humm, I thought he changed it to a six point. . . dislexic, don't mind me =p

2004-03-11, 16:20	Link #14
Grav Gone Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	So does anyone have a good, decent image besides those listed above?

2004-03-12, 16:23	Link #16
Grav Gone Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	Any luck..?

2004-03-12, 18:43	Link #17
Sensei Call me Milady Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Behind You Age: 38	Hmmm nice arrays, well they'll go in my folders with my pictures of Systema Sephirotifica. Good work anyone who remade them. The last one who appeared in Episode 22, the one who popped in Ed's mind, posted link a few post up, Anyone can do it on a white background ? Would be appreciated. Thank you all.

2004-03-12, 23:14	Link #19
AOforever1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Age: 36	Or you guys could make your own like I did for my sig 1337!

2004-03-13, 00:17	Link #20
Grav Gone Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	I made one for my sig too, using the snake symbol thingy and trying to eyeball another image. If anyone wants it, go ahead. It's a bit uneven though, it's okay if you resize it. http://gsurge.com/misc/transmute.psd