2010-02-10, 17:45 | Link #901 |
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Damn you people who can read Japanese, you're really making me rather jealous!
With no announcement of a 3rd series as yet, and the books being translated at a whole book per 6 months its going to be a long time til I can really find out the ending, by which I mean read it properly rather than just as summaries and spoilers |
2010-02-11, 06:33 | Link #903 | |
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Wish Yen Press would speed up the releases, I'm pretty sure the books aren't taking 6 months to translate, probably half of that or less, especially as the guy doing the translation by all accounts is doing a good job, so is probably at the very least, pretty fluent, if not a native or almost natural capacity reader. 14 books is going to take *7* years at the current rate (which is a pretty good way to lose people before they've finished translating IMO!), and who knows if they'll actually finish publishing them (I hope so, I've ordered the first and preordered the second), with the books being licensed the best fan translations have probably stopped too, so if Yen Press stops, who knows when/if they'll be available in English! |
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2010-02-11, 10:13 | Link #904 | |
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And six months seems to be the average for light novels these days, TP used to release the 12 Kingdom books once a year and Scholastic seems to be releasing the Moribito books on a six month or yearly schedule (both of which are a bit longer I'll admit).
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2010-02-11, 11:23 | Link #905 |
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It's not the speed of the translation that dictates when books are released. It has more to do with how fast the major book retailers are willing to accept the new releases. The speed up of Naruto and One Piece releases not withstanding, most retailers don't want volumes within a specific title to come in too fast. Books don't move out off the shelves that quickly & retailers don't want books sitting inventory too long. Better to space out the releases to give the inventory time to rotate than to have books linger in inventory due to oversaturating the market.
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2010-02-11, 12:59 | Link #906 | |
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On the bright side, isn't this one of the first light novel series to be published before the anime came out? True it was by less than half a month but usually it's years later.
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2010-02-11, 13:46 | Link #907 |
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The sweet spot for releases in the publisher eyes is about 3 months for manga volumes and about 6 months for light novels (so far).
That's the rate at which sales of a volume tend to spiral down from the initial frenzy. Yen Press is still a rather small operation. Drastically scaling up any enterprise invariably derails quality - so what we have to watch with Yen is that they do not repeat the mess that ADV and TokyoPop have made of their operations.
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2010-02-11, 14:31 | Link #908 |
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Ya as for you in US is can not do such difference but in this world is also much other countries...
General, this license is one big mistake releases half-yearly the first volume has already left, and there are 13 others, and it take 6,5 years this is stupid. And that they where so rude to ordered remove bt their translations. Of course, we all know why they fear that they will have less profit, because most people will chose free translation. The second case is the import which costs 30$ including the cost of novel 43$, and if i convert it on the currency in my contury this goes quite a considerable sum. Of course for Horo i am able incur such costs, but no on every six months if they were releases it over 3 months than i can take it some how... But under such conditions no thanks. Better learn Japanese, and import from there the novel. Because it will cost me much less. So do not write something such as the above. ;] |
2010-02-11, 16:16 | Link #909 | |
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As far as the release timing -- japanese light novels are a NEW concept for the West. The whole idea is still "on probationary test". There's a lot of experience in the "3 month rule" for manga -- almost no experience to gauge how fast to release light novels. The "6 month rule" is likely to be shortened depending on how sales of light novels map out and some historical data is gathered. Keep in mind the release times of the original Japanese works are roughly 4 months or more apart (and for the same profit/sales reasons). volume 1 released 2/2006 volume 2 released 6/2006 volume 3 released 10/2006 volume 4 released 2/2007 volume 5 released 8/2007 volume 6 released 12/2007 volume 7 -- 2/2008 (short stories) volume 8 -- 5/2008 volume 9 -- 9/2008 volume 10 -- 2/2009 volume 11 -- 5/2009 (short stories) volume 12 -- 8/2009 volume 13 -- 11/2009 (short stories)
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2010-02-11, 19:03 | Link #910 |
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Releasing them every 3/4 months would be tolerable though, at least that way we'd be able to catch up with the anime series in about a year, so I hope they do up the release rate, whereas taking til 2016-2018 to release them all (if they end about book 15-17), is going to be a very painful wait.
Part of the problem is as much as it helps retailers clear stocks, it also puts off people waiting to read the series/starting the series (which is going to hurt preorders and demand), because they'll have to wait quite a long time to be able to finish the series. I mean a longer wait works for a shorter book series, with larger books on the full novel scale, but a high number of shorter books is going to be quite painful to wait for. What WOULD be awesome though would be if they started releasing them as double book omnibus releases every 6 months, I could live with that, because the book would be that little bit more fulfilling each release. So say 3/4 released as a single omnibus release December 2010, 5/6 in June 2011 etc... I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for the book if they did that, because I'd be able to enjoy the content so much quicker. Would also give them a justification to redo the front covers and avoid the backlash, as they'd be able to argue they could no longer use the original covers as they're being released 2 books in one pack so the fans dont have to wait as long for the material. Sure someone would be anal about it, but it'd silence the more 'reasonable' of those complaining (well aslong as the new covers are better/suit the series more than the one on book one anyway). Last edited by tyranuus; 2010-02-11 at 20:04. |
2010-02-11, 19:13 | Link #911 |
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I think six months between each release is unsustainable myself -- four months just intuitively seems more likely as a sweet spot for releases. But they're being pretty conservative which, given the current economic climate and the instability of the manga industry presently, is not unexpected... if not very brave
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2010-02-11, 19:29 | Link #912 |
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RS did not let me down; they just let me know I will get the dust jacket with the light novel. I have been waiting a while for this bad boy to be back in stock so they could ship it!
I will thankfully be able to hide that horrendous cover of the book with the much more attractive original. So, if your still waiting, I would suggest you check with them and NOT hesitate to buy it as I do not know how much longer Yen will be supplying these jackets nor do I know how many they still have to provide to costumers!
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2010-02-11, 20:09 | Link #913 |
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Unfortunately much as I'd prefer that dust cover, I cant justify the extra cost. With the pretty tacky new cover, the book cost me £4.80+ about £2 shipping, if I imported via right stuf I'd end up paying about £15, which is what book one and book 2 preordered, with first class postage on both has cost me.
I dont particularly like the new front cover; not because of the content, but because it doesnt really suit the series, but I have heard its not actually that bad in the flesh, so unless I can get another copy imported with the dust cover by getting someone else doing a larger order, I'll have to live with out it. Vexx - I agree because of the wait 6 months seems unsustainable; I just hope that doesnt mean they see it as unprofitable and stop publishing them, that's one of the reasons I decided to lay down on a preorder, because each person who does shows there is demand for the books. |
2010-02-12, 05:11 | Link #914 | |
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As for *goal* of fans i quote only one sentence that was many times in the subtitles fans: "This is a free fansub not for sale or rent." And I hope that someone who is a fan of this novel, and knows japanese will continue work B-T for the same reasons. If this is "concept for the West " why they only license the japanese light novels. Why they can create something themselves and sale as far as want, and releases as they want, becuse they can't create something themselves? And anime license like crunchyroll, ya, ye if you wanna see this anime you must pay. Another case is that their translations sometimes leave much to be desired. Japan release timing is shorter, and if they were releases it every 3 or 4 months it's like I wrote earlier for Horo i am able incur such costs and wait. As for this short stories I see that there is not a great problem to give it as a supplement to the volume and raise a bit the price. It's just a matter of inventing a good solution for most customers, becuse all can't satisfied. |
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2010-02-12, 13:57 | Link #915 |
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A Japanese person pays to read the novel, and I'm happy to pay someone to translate a book for me, much as I'd pay a mechanic to fix my car, I've got no problem with paying someone for thier work; my only issue with the Yen Press release scheme is it's too far apart.
Im at work now, but I'm actually going to draft a letter/email to (?)Hatache Press or whatever the name of the main company actually is (the over company of Yen Press) and make the point of perhaps consider upping the release schedule. I doubt they will, but if I get a response I will post it here. Releases every 3/4 months, or double book-releases every 6 months would be a much better solution for us fans of the series, especially given my fear of them cancelling the series (hopefully not as it seems to have quite a few fans...BUT this IS a fairly long book series, and its hard to know if Yen Press will still feel the same way about publishing these in 5+ years!) Last edited by tyranuus; 2010-02-12 at 14:41. |
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But you're starting to sound like those folks who feel entitled to all their entertainment for free with these complaints.
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2010-02-12, 15:25 | Link #918 |
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I'd imagine most of the fans of the series who can't speak Japanese have similar worries. It'd be horrendous to get say 8 novels in, then Yen Press to stop publishing, because fan translations would still be on hold because of the licensing, especially if we'd been following the series for 4 years by this point
If they release them a little faster there's less chance of that happening! I really love the series and the characters, but I just don't have a knack for languages, trying to learn Japanese would be like trying to climb Mt Everest with only a pair of trainers and a cocktail stick. With no further news of another series of Anime as it stands, these books are all the fans have, especially given how conservative EU releases often are of bits and pieces. As it stand I'm on the verge of ordering a second copy of the first book to get hold of the slip cover so I feel like I've got the 'complete' article, and then I can give the other copy to my brother who is FAR more into the whole Manga/Anime scene than me. I preordered the 2nd book to try and register interest for the continued series as well. It's stupid really, I'm not usually a major anime fan, I've watched perhaps 10 series in my entire life over the last 5-10 years, but Spice and Wolf has grabbed me and not let go since I watched it, probably because the setting is so different, story relatively intelligent, the characters strong, and the romance aspect really quite sweet. |
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Well I'm a man of my word, and I just sent this to Hachette Book Group via the contact details on the website (which are linked to by the Yen Press site)
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2010-02-12, 21:39 | Link #920 |
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Hmmmm... well organized thoughts, but I think the best you could expect is for them to reduce it to 4-5months. And, that might only even have a chance to happen if the sales of the first 3 are really solid.
Now, what I'd like to see would be the couple of manga and side-stories released in a few magazines that seem to have been overlooked to be included as a part of a future volume format since those publications are on-going as well. I am having no success finding the few I'm missing. Granted this part of my post kind of belongs under another thread, I'm using a loophole to hopefully get away with it. I might have to write ASCII Media Works to throw out the idea, though I'm sure a single person's opinion will matter very little to a major media company. Maybe they will at least write me back (very, very, very, slim chance I know).
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