2012-01-24, 11:36 | Link #2901 | |
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And then again, I'm leaning towards monster's explanation, that Kira is still not over Fllay's death, and in turn has affected him. We see this urge to save from Kira, in ep13 of Destiny, and it's a shame that they didn't expand on this, it would've explained every action of Kira in Destiny: Kira now has a Savior Complex. He's fixated to save everyone, because of failure to save the people who meant something to him.
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2012-01-24, 11:46 | Link #2902 | ||
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2012-01-24, 16:17 | Link #2903 |
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Just to be clear, when I said Flay still affected Kira, I meant only in terms of how fast he's now willing to move the relationship with Lacus.
But as I said before, I don't think they had any plans for any subplot for Kira. So most of the interactions Kira has with Lacus in Destiny only serve to at least show that he does care for, if not love her. And you could also say Kira's failure at protecting Flay also plays some part in wanting to protect Lacus. But I don't think Flay's influence on Kira is meant to be something pronounced, rather, it's something subtle and just in the background. |
2012-01-24, 18:27 | Link #2904 | |
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If I were to fix up the Kira/Lacus relationship, I would view Lacus as a surrogate mother for Kira. It's known that he never met his real mother (Via) while growing, but I'm not sure how close he was to his adoptive mother, since it's been a while that I watched Seed.
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2012-01-24, 23:03 | Link #2905 |
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HNNNG it took me 500 years to read through all this xD Couple of points I picked up along the way:
- I can't really explain the KiraxFllay dynamic any better than wingdarkness and aeriolewinters did here and here - Fllay being killed was an easy way out. It would've been much more effort (and possibly beyond Morosawas capabilities as a writer) to develop a plausible KiraxLacus if Fllay were alive. She even largely failed to do so despite that anyway. As for the dead Fllay and KiraxLacus scenario, while I admit that there are very minor attempts to hint at something like this, there are ways to make this work. I allude to Final Fantasy 7 and how CloudxTifa never worked out and if it ever will would take years to happen. - Lacus being a blatant Mary Sue for everyone to freely paste their faces onto, a Bella-style blank sheet is why her relationships don't appeal and wouldn't work long term- unless you're a fangirl and like to think so because you've long since pasted your own face onto her. The question isn't if Kira and Lacus are a couple, but how they are such an awful one. Tbh, during Destiny, I did wonder if Kira and Lacus ruined each other into being the blank sheets they were in GSD. I also find that Morosawa intended KiraxLacus to be this epic couple- this is obvious from the OP shoving it in our faces since episode 1, but their lives together range from occasional comfort-seeking to shopping scenes- this isn't some sappy teen soap, and even these would be ashamed to call this epic. If anything, shouldn't KiraxLacus have started as another one-sided relationship of necessity and grown into something real from there? LacusxKira totally COULD'VE been epic and I wanted them to but I was sorely disappointed with how they turned out. Oh, and apparently an "ideal relationship" or "old marriage" is quietly co-existing? Isn't that just what ordinary people want you to think is the desirable endgame? Isn't that the reason why old men end up cheating or using prostitutes? Wouldn't wish that on anyone. Apparently the happiest and most fulfilling marriages are those that keep the passion alive until ripe old age. Just saying. Unrelated: Washu-Chan I kept meaning to ask where the quote in your sig is from and if there's more? I really want to read this xD Also, it's 4am here. I'm sorry for anything that's incoherent x_x Last edited by Faerie; 2012-01-25 at 07:35. |
2012-01-24, 23:28 | Link #2906 |
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Whether Lacus and Kira's relationship would appeal to everybody is never a question. Of course, some people wouldn't like it and some people would. But to say that their relationship won't work because they don't have the "dynamic" of some other couple is just ridiculous. If we can establish that they do care for each other, then it's extremely plausible for their relationship to work.
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2012-01-24, 23:33 | Link #2907 | |
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2012-01-24, 23:42 | Link #2908 |
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That's only true if their relaionship is the end goal of the story, but it's not in Destiny. Don't think of Lacus and Kira's relationship in Destiny as the same as Kira and Flay's in SEED. Think of them more like Andrew and Aisha's relationship in SEED. You accept that they are a couple and move on because the story is not about their relationship.
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2012-01-25, 00:06 | Link #2909 | |
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You do know that Gouf Ignited (which kira fought with Strike Rouge) is already way better than the old Strike model, right? Cagalli was able to survive that far with Rouge simply coz she was protected by Freedom & Murasame squadron (if not, she’ll be killed 100 times already). So, I don’t think Kira humiliated himself there. Not to mention that there’s a whole platoon of those Goufs. He lost the fight due to simple logic: One outdated suit can't win against a group of more advanced suits. The first time I see Kira fought those Goufs with Strike, I knew he’d be owned. I mean, do you seriously hope Kira to win that particular battle?
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2012-01-25, 00:35 | Link #2912 |
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Setsuna and his Flag? You do know that Flag is not an outdated suit when the Gundams first appear don’t you? Also, one Flag still can’t stand against a group of Gundams which still prove my point (imagine the slaughter). I mean, even 0 Gundam is lost to a single Exia in 00 second season.
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2012-01-25, 00:37 | Link #2913 |
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Shouldn't we also blame the Kira/Lacus shippers?
At the time, and to this day, the Kira/Lacus pairing are still crazy over with the Japanese audience, as was Athrun/Cagalli, whose status is unclear because they initially broke up, but as of SE4, Athrun is wearing an Orb Admiral uniform, implying that he is now serving under Cagalli. Also, Fukuda released an official AMV dedicated to Athrun and Cagalli, although it's technically non-canon. I just made it up, based on Kira's "Cagalli is crying" speech he made to Athrun before the latter got Savioured.
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2012-01-25, 00:50 | Link #2914 | |
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So no. The age difference between mobile suits isn't really gonna cut it for that. Circumstances do, but age difference is not among those.
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2012-01-25, 00:52 | Link #2915 | |
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Give and take a few years, the Strike WAS outdated, but it didn't necessarily mean that the suit was useless against them. Strike WAS his suit before it was the Strike Rouge. Where has all this creativity gone? Strike proved capable enough to be able to sortie and fight in space, and this was before he was even more familiar with how it's used. To also get at that outdated suit excuse, remember Athrun held off a Gundam during the Armory One incident with a ZAKU. A FREAKING ZAKU. Also, just to add to aeriolewinters' post, Graham Aker and Sergei Smirnov also facepalm at this travesty.
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2012-01-25, 00:56 | Link #2917 |
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Like I said, there's nothing Kira could do about the fact that the Strike's shield couldn't handle a shot from the Zaku's cannon. Creativity and skill has nothing to do with it. And Kira would've died in the desert if the Strike did not have phase shift armor.
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2012-01-25, 00:59 | Link #2918 | |
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2012-01-25, 01:05 | Link #2920 | |
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For example: if the group consist of 8 advanced suits and the single outdated MS only destroyed like 2-3 of them and then perish/run, it still doesn't count. EDIT: Oh yeah, when Kira fought those BuCUEs and Goohns and Zno, Strike is not in outdated-by-years status. Heck, Strike is brand new compared to those suits it fought.
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