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View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 14 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 170 | 62.73% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 70 | 25.83% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 5.17% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 3.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.74% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.37% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.37% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.74% | |
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2008-05-24, 21:18 | Link #502 | ||||
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Shirou is still limited by his physical ability. Even if he has the technique to block it, he doesn't have the speed nor the strength required to block Berserker for a prolonged amount of time.
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By the way, I choose All of the above. Edit: I don't understand the other question Blade, so I can't clarify [And Dragon edited out the example, so I have no idea what's going on.]. Archer's Noble Phantasm doesn't control Archer's body. It's like learning how to paint. You can still paint in the way before you learned how to paint, but you can also use your newfound techniques in painting. But in fights, it becomes a lot more instinctive, and I'm guessing sometimes you automatically use your techniques to defend yourself. |
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2008-06-10, 10:55 | Link #504 | ||
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Wonder's how many life will Archer cut if he traced the Excallibur and snipe it at Berserker as broken phantasm.
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2008-09-23, 17:02 | Link #505 |
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Reading through the last page and just thinking about how things were stacked against Archer in this one. Just having a powerful resistance that will negate anything below A rank is tough enough to go against. But toss in the speed and power Berserker had and it was just not a good day for Archer.
Also doing some thinking about which servants Archer would have a good chance against. If he had gone in to fight rather than be sidelined for most of the series and then die after the match against Berserker. In the end he did a great job considering what he was up against.
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2008-09-24, 08:33 | Link #507 | ||||
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A "+" is just used to describe that the Noble Phantasm's power is amongst the top in its fellow ranking, but it is still a 'B' rank Noble Phantasm. The ranking of Noble Phantasms is not done scientifically, so there is examples like 'An A rank noble phantasm needs at least power output of 1000 mana-particle-per-square-inch-prana-per-density-integrated'. In fact, a weapon that can't even destroy a building can be A ranked while another that can wipe out the entire Spanish Navy is still B ranked. (e.g. Caliburn and Bellemorph) Quote:
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2008-09-24, 15:46 | Link #508 | ||
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: in Unlimited Blade Works
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Calliburn is A-rank? That doesn't make sense because Shirou can chop Berserker's arm with a traced version. Which is a B-rank.Now that I think about it the mysterious rank is like luck in battle. Not very useful against skillful opponent but it really saves your life when your up against Gae Bolg. And for the rank, it only be useful against a defensive armament that negates certain rank and below like Godhand. Quote:
"I don't mind holding him off to buy time for you but can I kick his ass?"
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2008-09-24, 18:43 | Link #509 | ||
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Even though I knew that winning was very unlikely, couldn't help but hope for it to happen anyways. Can't say anything bad about someone who leaves everything on the table. Just did a great job and ended the fight standing proud while Berserker was down with numerous swords stuck in him . Quote:
Didn't waste any tissues, but the fight definitely reached me.
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2008-09-26, 09:48 | Link #510 | ||||
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Think God Hand as a super hard armor and Hercules without it as a glass canon. This might go against your concept that Hercules is very strong himself, but that can explain why he dies so quickly against A ranked Noble Phantasms... Quote:
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:: Archer>Gilgamesh Because of Unlimited Blade Works, Archer can draw out weapons faster than Gilgamesh. So when fighting, Archer just need to project the exact same Noble Phantasm Gilgamesh takes out from Gate of Babylon AND shoot it at the real copy, having both of them destroy each other, therefore nullifying all Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm. The only weapon Archer can't trace, takes a long time to charge up, in which even Shirou can charge up and slash his arms off. ::Gilgamesh>Berserker Simply because Gilgamesh has too many A ranked Noble Phantasm, and can shoot them. Berserker>Archer Simply because Archer don't have enough Ex ranked Noble Phantasm to trace from, and Broken Phantasm only works once. And perhaps this is the only way for Archer to beat Berserker... |
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2008-09-26, 10:41 | Link #511 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Hold on. Okay I understand that Excalibur trace version is B-rank, but Excali-beam is an attack. God hand nullifies noble phantasm and attack of B-rank and below. But A-rank and above is an instant kill.
That's the reason why Nine-lives blade Work can work on Berserker . Even though the sword-axe does not have any rank Shirou's using it as a weapon to execute Nine-lives blade work works on him and kill him 9 times. Why don't Archer uses it then? He might not use it because of Illyasviel. We know he still care for the girl and using Excali-beam would kill not only Berserker but also Illyasviel who might caught in the blast or die because the whole mansion collapse on her. Quote:
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2008-09-27, 00:35 | Link #512 | |
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Maybe the best option is to hope Gilgamesh doesn't pull out the big stuff and thus gives enough time for Archer to get UBW ready. Is possible since I can't see Gilgamesh pulling out something that powerful against from his point of view some nobody. In the end there are a few ways fights can go depending on circumstances.
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2008-09-27, 02:43 | Link #513 | ||
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And because Shirou gave up his justice in order to save Sakura, he would not become Archer. Quote:
As for Gilgamesh pulling out a shield...he lacks the skill to use a shield properly. He is an owner, but never a user of weapons, unlike Archer, who knows how to direct a shield towards an attack to stop/block them. |
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2008-09-27, 03:03 | Link #514 | |
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Because nine-lives can be execute with that slab of stone who can't say that we cannot use Excalibeam with another non-excallibur sword that can fire beams and scorches the Earth. However this raise a new question. When does Berserker pull off nine lives with that stone-axe? He was insane remember? So unless Illya's take off the mad enhancement at any point allowing Berserker to remember nine lives there's no way Berserker do nine lives. But then again if he did become sane and can use Nine lives he should be using the bow in the legend that can kill Hydra not that chunk of rocky blade.
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2008-09-27, 11:18 | Link #515 | ||||
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Broken Phantasm is nothing as fancy as you're imagining, it's just an act of pouring more mana than the maximum capacity of the Noble Phantasm to cause it to surpass its ordinary state in exchange for its own destruction. Kinda like straining yourself to run at full speed even when your muscle is burning--you tear your muscle. And for a Noble Phantasm that cannot regenerate/heal, its life is over. Quote:
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As for using Nine-lives with that slab of stone(okay, it IS stone...) Perhaps Noble Phantasms are mere symbols in which physical shape means nothing--that's the only explanation I can come up with...ask Nasu... |
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2008-09-27, 11:44 | Link #516 |
Lord of Blades
Join Date: Mar 2008
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How can you be sure? Excali-beam is an attack just like Nine lives. Look Shirou use the slab of stone and still is still capable to kill Black Berserker. And that piece of slab stone doesn't have the rank of noble phantasm whatsoever. It only hurts the servant because berserker is the one holding it and swings it around. And the reason why shirou can use that slab of stone and kill the servant because the weapon "memorize" Berserker strength and movement in other words Shirou is a fake berserker right now and so that's why he can still other servant with that slab piece of rock.
If Nine lives attack rank retain despite being executed with legendary bow that kill Hydra in consecutive shots to that traced slab piece of rock used to vanquished a weaker version of Heracles, why not the rank of Excali-beam attack executed with an almost perfect copy(-1 rank version) for the sword?.
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2008-09-28, 00:46 | Link #517 | ||
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Meanwhile, Nine-Lives is more like an enchantment that concentrates mana within an artifact to give it a boost in both mystic and (probably)power. Think of Nine-Lives as something similar to God Hand--it enchants an object to give it a huge amount of mystic, making it function like a Noble Phantasm, the same thing like the previous Berserker, but only with limitations. (only that slab of stone is compatible instead of light post and fighter jets, or perhaps anything that is related to Hercules is compatible?) I'm still not too sure about that as the game didn't specify them--I only deduced these with logic and imagination(more of the later). That's why I said "ask Nasu" in the end... Quote:
-Or perhaps Black Berserker lost his tough body...who knows?- Also, it is impossible for Shirou, who has even less mana than Archer, to unleash Excalibur. Unlike Archer, who has just enough mana to do so, Shirou would drain his mana reserve in the process of filling up the sword(and collapse?). |
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2008-09-29, 17:17 | Link #518 |
Lord of Blades
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Yeah and how does that explain how Dark berserker can move after being hit 8 times at all the vital spot? It's Nine Lives Blade Work, the ultimate technique Heracles can use as a Berserker.
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