Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

The reason Sakurai talks to Tatsuya while Aoki doesn't is not because some status or rule. She is a nice person while Aoki is very conceited.
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It's not that. It's the fact that She seems to have been doing this for quite a while and even Miyuki finds it strange and doesn't belive he should be adressed like he is but apearently Miya does nothing about it. It just raises a flag that maybe we really aren't seeing the whole picture since nearly all the info about what happend is comeing from the biased point of veiw of children.

Ever since thier father showed up in volume 3 I've started to wonder if it might be possable that if what was done to Tats might not have been done to protect him. Even The siblings father's repeated offering of Tats a job could be seen as trying to allow him to be free to do something that he has shown an intrest in if not enjoyment.

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by setsuna86

In this forum, I always read that either Mayumi will become Tatsuya´s "parvati" or Minami.
Then what about Honoka?
I think Honoka is highly probable to become Tatsuya´s partner than Mayumi or Minami.
If there is on eperson that Miyuki can accept as Tatsuya´s partner, it´s Honoka.
Don´t you think?

Well, if you are talking about life partner, then I give you my opinion.

Spoiler for My opinion:

I don't think Honoka will.



........ well, she does have a possibility, but at the current time hers isn't the highest one.


Forget about Miyuki. As long as she is his sister, there would be no chance. (It's a cold fact Miyuki's fan, but you need to accept it. Incest just won't do.)

For Mayumi........... I feel sorry for her. Her route is limited and her sisters existence lower her necessity in the story. She is just really unlucky.

Lina is the same as Mayumi. She will come back, but I doubt she will have time to build enough relationship with Tatsuya since it should be around the third year arc that she will have a power or opportunity to get away from the military or at least the USNA army will ask for his help. Hers will be a major role, but unfortunately her time is shot.

Honoka........ she doesn't meant to live in the world of death and madness. Her chance will be slim.






My shipping is base on logic, and not moe factors. I don't even care if the girl is cute or not. She don't even have to be my or the protagonist's most favorite girl! (Life is cruel because you won't away get what you want)

The only thing mattered is the plot. If they can make a relationship and there is an opportunity for them (and them alone) to end up with each other, then they will. (If there is no chance of getting together, then they won't.)

Spoiler for Conclusion:

Therefor, even if Tatsuya's priority is Miyaki, it doesn't mean that they will be a couple.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by CatRules

Well, if you are talking about life partner, then I give you my opinion.

Spoiler for My opinion:

I don't think Honoka will.



........ well, she does have a possibility, but at the current time hers isn't the highest one.


Forget about Miyuki. As long as she is his sister, there would be no chance. (It's a cold fact Miyuki's fan, but you need to accept it. Incest just won't do.)

For Mayumi........... I feel sorry for her. Her route is limited and her sisters existence lower her necessity in the story. She is just really unlucky.

Lina is the same as Mayumi. She will come back, but I doubt she will have time to build enough relationship with Tatsuya since it should be around the third year arc that she will have a power or opportunity to get away from the military or at least the USNA army will ask for his help. Hers will be a major role, but unfortunately her time is shot.

Honoka........ she doesn't meant to live in the world of death and madness. Her chance will be slim.






My shipping is base on logic, and not moe factors. I don't even care if the girl is cute or not. She don't even have to be my or the protagonist's most favorite girl! (Life is cruel because you won't away get what you want)

The only thing mattered is the plot. If they can make a relationship and there is an opportunity for them (and them alone) to end up with each other, then they will. (If there is no chance of getting together, then they won't.)

Spoiler for Conclusion:

Therefor, even if Tatsuya's priority is Miyaki, it doesn't mean that they will be a couple.

Spoiler for errr:

somehow, i think honoka will die in the future

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

Spoiler for errr:

somehow, i think honoka will die in the future

She might or might not. We don't know, only the author knows.

[malason13]

Originally Posted by CatRules

She might or might not. We don't know, only the author knows.

I hope she doesn't die. She is a good girl.

[Mentar]

Not sure about that. So far, the story has been ridicilously Mary Sue-style. The heroes and heroines don't merely win, they utterly dominate. In the 9 schools tournament, Tatsuya's girls don't concede a single loss. The only scene where one could argue something bad happened in the Yokohama arc (the bad injury of Isori and Kirihara) was used to demonstrate Tatsuya's healer ability.

As much as I love the story, it is totally unbalanced. Truly bad things just don't happen, and killing characters would require a huge change of atmosphere. Not saying that it's completely inconceivable, but to do it in a believable way, the story style would have to change a lot.

[Von Himmel]

Well they said that the scorched halloween was the dawn of magic age.. Which means that after that day, the age of magic will change greatly than before. This might lead to many magic encounter that might change the overall story later.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by CatRules

She might or might not. We don't know, only the author knows.

hahah agree with you, only the author knows.

Originally Posted by malason13

I hope she doesn't die. She is a good girl.

especially because she is a good girl


Nice Persons Die First

[chancs]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Well they said that the scorched halloween was the dawn of magic age.. Which means that after that day, the age of magic will change greatly than before. This might lead to many magic encounter that might change the overall story later.

The web novel certainly shows unearthly things in the subsequent arcs

[malason13]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

hahah agree with you, only the author knows.



especially because she is a good girl


Nice Persons Die First

You......
Do you dislike Honoka?

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by malason13

You......
Do you dislike Honoka?

no, i don't dislike her.

Spoiler:

just my personal opinion

Nice Persons die first


her character reminds me of Hare from Guilty Crown,

or probably Shirley and Rolo from Code Geass

[willx]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Not sure about that. So far, the story has been ridicilously Mary Sue-style. The heroes and heroines don't merely win, they utterly dominate. In the 9 schools tournament, Tatsuya's girls don't concede a single loss. The only scene where one could argue something bad happened in the Yokohama arc (the bad injury of Isori and Kirihara) was used to demonstrate Tatsuya's healer ability.

As much as I love the story, it is totally unbalanced. Truly bad things just don't happen, and killing characters would require a huge change of atmosphere. Not saying that it's completely inconceivable, but to do it in a believable way, the story style would have to change a lot.

My expectation (rightly or wrongly) is that these first arcs set them up as powerful but, particularly in Tatsuya's case, flawed characters. Most of the protagonists are children and Tatsuya, despite his worldly experience, lacks empathy. In direct confrontations of strength, he will dominate, however even he acknowledges strength/power itself is not enough in certain circumstances.

My speculation is that the overriding "world plots" re: Yotsuba, Ten Families, Political Situation vis-a-vis Great Asia Alliance & USNA, etc. cannot be dealt with purely through power. We'll likely see some conflicts emerge that can't be disintegrated away.. at least I hope so!

[fujin of shadows]

I would like to thank Shinryū for this wonderful art..........................That guy oozes talent......

[Richocet]

Wow those are pretty good

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Not sure about that. So far, the story has been ridicilously Mary Sue-style. The heroes and heroines don't merely win, they utterly dominate. In the 9 schools tournament, Tatsuya's girls don't concede a single loss. The only scene where one could argue something bad happened in the Yokohama arc (the bad injury of Isori and Kirihara) was used to demonstrate Tatsuya's healer ability.

As much as I love the story, it is totally unbalanced. Truly bad things just don't happen, and killing characters would require a huge change of atmosphere. Not saying that it's completely inconceivable, but to do it in a believable way, the story style would have to change a lot.

It's funny using the term 'normal high-school life', considering how much the story intertwines the daily musings of these high school students with the 'greater forces', be it academia, military or nobility...

But that imbalance is part of the story. While both parts are interlinked, there is a clear distinction between the two sides of Tatsuya's life, where he's a 'student', and the other, where he's a 'soldier.'

The story of Mahouka hasn't exactly crossed the line where the two sides of Tatsuya's life are blurred and melded beyond separation. People are trying their darnest to break that, but... he's holding the line.

Until then, I don't foresee anything 'bad' happening to the 'School Life' characters in a way that completely shifts the story.

The benefit of Mahouka's setting is that should the above happen, and Tatsuya literally drags everyone from the 'School Life' into his dark and dangerous world, it would be a smooth transition... for most parts.

But of course, there is always the possibility Mahouka will remain like a superhero story, and forever draw a distinct line between Tatsuya's story as a 'Strategic Magician, tool of the Yotsuba' and 'Shiba Tatsuya, excellent top-tier student with a flaw.'

[Mentar]

Doesn't change the fact that the Author is banking hard on the "omniscient/omnipotent" angle. I mean, look at the Yokohama arc: Several hundred troops including several magical heavyweights attack. Total loss on the side of the heroes: Zero. Yes, zero. We're shown how they creatively use magic for their purposes - nice. Do we see how the enemy creatively uses magic for their purposes? No, at least, not successfully. Miyuki wins. Honoka wins. Mayumi didn't even concede a single point (!) during the tournament. It's win win win win.

And with this kind of storytelling, I have big problems seeing a proper balanced drama developing. Sorry. Nope

This is - in my opinion - the biggest glaring weakness of the show. A bit more "hey, the opponents have skills and succeed in some parts, too" would definitely help. Until then, I can't see anyone of real relevance die.

[Kleeyook]

^^ I agree about how imbalanced this series is. You can say things like they're not omnipotent or there are many strong people the author doesn't write about in that world but the fact that the protagonist side always dominates kind of ruins the show for me. Why hadn't Japan set out to conquer the world with their ridiculous overpowered magicians already?

And seriously, the military of an entire nation fears a single family and doesn't want to lay their hand on them (while invading the country where said family belongs to)? Just how powerful is the clan in East Asia?

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

her character reminds me of Hare from Guilty Crown,

or probably Shirley and Rolo from Code Geass

No, you forgot one important thing. Those two guys (Lelouch and Shuu) while they act like celibate heroes most of the time, they are in fact very delicate characters and always in angst and wimpy. Lelouch might seem like Tatsuya at first but they're completely different. Tatsuya is someone who'll get mad if something happened to his sister and slightly upset if the same thing happened to his friends. I think he'd be angry if Honoka died, but that's it.

[willx]

Originally Posted by Kleeyook

No, you forgot one important thing. Those two guys (Lelouch and Shuu) while they act like celibate heroes most of the time, they are in fact very delicate characters and always in angst and wimpy. Lelouch might seem like Tatsuya at first but they're completely different. Tatsuya is someone who'll get mad if something happened to his sister and slightly upset if the same thing happened to his friends. I think he'd be angry if Honoka died, but that's it.

Yeah, but if Honoka or their other friends dying angers Miyuki, then he'll get really angry on her behalf! It's kind of circular in that regard.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Mentar

It's win win win win.

I'll agree that with the Yokohama arc, it was... bit too much of a picture perfect execution.

The win win win in the NST was still okay... though I personally really disliked the excessive humiliation of the men's team during the Nine School's Tournament... since it was obviously made so just to show how awesome Tatsuya was.

Originally Posted by Mentar

And with this kind of storytelling, I have big problems seeing a proper balanced drama developing. Sorry. Nope

That's what Leo is for!

[willx]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I'll agree that with the Yokohama arc, it was... bit too much of a picture perfect execution.

Yeah, I admit I really felt let down that it didn't seem like any students died -- it was a real battlefield. There should have been some losses (aside from Tatsuya being Jesus(tm)) that were real and lasting.