2004-04-06, 23:49
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外人、漫画訳者
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 41
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I like the way you think LOA.
A quick question for you: Have any other "normal" Christians criticized your personal views/beliefs (or the fact that you don't go to church) and told you that you are not really Christian, or not a true Christian? |
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2004-04-06, 23:53
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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ah ic. I dont know much about Indiana xp visit southern CA, and u might have a different view. Because they show Radical Christians on tv, and ppl talk about them in forums like this, but no one shows u the ppl who mock christainity in these areas. the court still uses the bible? i heard they were changing it to the constitution. |
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2004-04-06, 23:58
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: WA State
Age: 51
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Of course, my own father always lectures me that I am not in the right place and others always question my faith. Because I choose not to be judged on sunday! |
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2004-04-07, 00:01
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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"when two or more gather in my name, i will be there" is the reason why ppl criticize u for it. My dad's a pastor and he believes u should go to church every sunday (and even friday) ACtually... he just believes in holding a service every sunday... since we did skip church often, but always had a little service at home to make up for it. |
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2004-04-07, 00:05
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: WA State
Age: 51
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My thoughts exactly, that is what I do. I have a good christian friend and we often sit and learn and debate. That is what Church should be! |
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2004-04-07, 00:15
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Between Good & Evil
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I consider myself an
Ex-Buddhist(Born as such), turn Ex-Christian(came to the US), turn Ex-Atheist(started to think too much), turn Agnostic(started to feel annoyed when people asked why I was an Atheist). Now I'm starting to get annoyed when people ask "what's an agnostic person?" Soooooo... I'll start my own religion called Sladism What...? I can do that... I think. It's pretty cool have your own religion, I mean... all your activities can become tax deductable!  I've got nothing against any kind of religion(unless they involve harming other people). I think it's a good way for people to connect and a good source of hope for people that are having troubles in their life. I don't enjoy the conversation where people try to convert me to their belief, after all I don't try to convince them that God doesn't exist or anything like that. I've seen many things in my life and it's just hard for me to believe in the existence of a God. But to all the other people that still have that ability to believe, I think it's great. Just don't get caught up in cults that want your money and ruin your life(many college campus have these). |
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2004-04-07, 00:49
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ぬけ人
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: フラグサッフ、アリゾナ
Age: 38
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hey everyone, I'm a minister. Turn or burn, you wicked devil worshipping blasphemers, you are all gonna burn for all eternity in the fire's of hell. Is exactly the kind of thing I try to separate myself from.
I think religion is like a reverse chinese finger trap(or sex), try to force it onto someone and they reject it more and more, slide it on gently with the willing participation of the person and it is something they will love and enjoy, it will make them happier and a better person all around. It will free them. I am a minister of a religion based off the book called "the bible" and using the basic beleifs and foundations of it along with science/fundamentals of some eastern religions/most things metaphysical and paranormal and all that. Religion's are most importantly for life on earth, moral guidelines that if everyone followed would make the world a much better place. If everyone was pious in any religion except stuff like satanism and whatnot, people would be happier, kinder, more generous, you name it. But American media and Government try's it's damndest to eliminate religion from society because religion makes it harder for man to control man. US Corporations/media/government try to remove people from the three things that will make a person stand up and say hell no. These things bieng, Religion, family and ownership. Religion is undermined everyday by the sex/violence/lack of morality on TV everyday, Family is destroyed by greed/lust/hate and all that stuff also knowing/unknowingly absorbed everyday through media, and possessions although the focus of many peoples life become harder and harder to own each day, at this rate, in the near future peoples only possession will be debt. It's all F'd, beleive in religion or not, my advice to you is be nice. or as dave chappelle would advise don't chase money, have protected sex(or none) and refrain from littering. [Edit] Slade, good that you don't try to remove others beleifs from them, and I wish you many years of people trying not to cram their beleifs down your throat. But for each person i hear about trying to turn people to Whatever their religion is I have been tryed to be pryed from mine by someone. People want people to be like them, because humans are social animals and find comfort in conformity and routine, so people want you to be like them. Like how potheads allways alllllways want you to smoke with them, that is just funny how desparate some can be to try and get you to smoke with them. haha. Last edited by Gaara_; 2004-04-07 at 00:59. |
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2004-04-07, 00:50
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Age: 37
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sladism: almost as good as "Itachism"
Hmmm..... what a strategic calendar time to post such a thread   Well the only thing I wanna point out is that religion is a personal experience, which you have to go through yourself at a spiritual level, and so once you realize that, it's easy to see the futility of listening to someone preaching about their religion... Because you can only conceive the concepts at an intellectual level, when really the true experience occurs at a spiritual level (I guess you have to have gone through some religious revival to know what I'm talking about). Religion is more than theory, it's *not to sound lame* an inner understanding far beyond the reaches of the intelect. Roots, I don't see the pledge of allegiance as religious....It's a national, cultural thing. Unless you're talking about that particular part, "under God"-- that definitely stirs some controversy over separation of church and state. |
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2004-04-07, 01:05
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the Iniquitous
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: bogotá
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ok here i go
PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS Spoiler:
Sorry if someone read, but i warned you! i just have to take that out of my system. now on topic. I am talking from the point of view of the situation in my country, so i don't know if i am accuratly describing christians in general. First, a little background on my country's religion. The catholic chruch has a huge influence here, an this cames from the times of the conquest, catholic religion was simply impossed here, and her power remained unaltered until recent days...but now, The catholic church suddenly started to loose her authority, catholics were always very strict with their ways, and people felt opressed, so when someone "christian" came preaching in a very passionate way about his/her new beliefs, people bought it, and abandoned the catholic church to join this "new fantastic religion that seems to care about me". Now, my personal view (not that the background before wasn't personal, what happens is that i think that is a little more objective than what i am about to say) Religions are an ENOURMOUS BUSINESS. Sad but true. ( Is my opinion, please don't flame me, is nice to have this type of discussion, i think is important). So inteligent, smart people (more like hideous) noticed a "niche" in the market with all this new religions, an decided to make a new church, based on christian believes, to gather people and make money. Every single religious leader is filthy rich!. you can't deny that... so for me the "preaching" of these religions is just a smart move of the religion's leader to gather more people and thus, more money. So why the catholic, muslims and jews don't do the same??? they are already too filthy rich!!! i don't think they could need more money or more power, yet still they're willing to kill each others... thats my opinion, please be gentle with the flames... sorry for my bad english again! |
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2004-04-07, 01:05
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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well about Christans actively converting others to Christianity (this is speaking only of those in USA), I dont know much about other religions, but If you're arent a Christian, you're literally dammed to hell. Im guessing other religions dont put such emphasis on eternal life or doom? That’s probably why the urgency of trying to convert people to the Christian team.
Do must other religions teach how one should lead a good, honest life, and they are then better off in the after life, if they so have one in their religion? So they believe that people who aren’t of their religion, whether they lived a good life or not will determine there fate in the after life, and treat the gods and traditions of their religion as a source of structure and guidance for their life? So converting people to there religion is not a necessity, but a support that will hold their course on the right path? BUt, im just talking out of my ass on this one because im no theologian of any religion, and dont know enough of the other major relgiions to make a confident comment on em. And for other countries, who knows, maybe one reason that they don’t go out converting people to Hinduism and other such religions is because they’re born into it? I mean, how many people here are catholic because their father was catholic and he took you to church every Sunday, and you probably can’t even remember your first communion. And how many people are agnostic or atheists because their parents never took you to church besides on Easter or Christmas? And I bet there aren’t that many Temples besides Muslim ones in Iraq, not that much choice in any other type of religion. One can make the same point in USA, not nearly as many Muslim, Hindu, even Jewish places of worship, and the reason you made the comment Quote:
As for those Christians who do the “crazy hobo the end is near act”, that is what you call an “extreme fundamentalist”. Those are the type of Christians who read the bible without interpretation, and believe the universe was only created in 6000 years or something and say evolution isn’t a science and creationism is, which it isn’t. They don’t realize that maybe evolution does exist because, God created everything as creationists say, why not evolution too? oh, you're an engineer right? what courses are you talking? are you still an undergrad? |
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2004-04-07, 01:19
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the Iniquitous
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: bogotá
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2004-04-07, 01:20
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Redmond, WA
Age: 46
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2004-04-07, 01:26
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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...In other words, that's a quite a broad outlook, you have to admit that the media and the government act behind many other unrelated and independent forces, I mean, do you really think they do that deliberately? The pattern you identify is true, but I think it's more of an effect than a cause: I don't see how coorporations and gov. agencies manipulate media to enforce conformity. It seems more like mass conformity is one of the effects of a value-thwarted media, an effect that is probably cherished by the government... But that doesn't mean they caused it.   *examines some of the stuff people are writing*.... Ok I'm convinced that I'm the only one who's actually reading other people's posts 
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2004-04-07, 01:28
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~Lost in the Moonlight~
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: WA State
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2004-04-07, 01:31
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 42
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I'm quite liberal when it comes to my religion. (I'm Catholic btw.) With regard to your first question, you can answer this from a geopolitical point of view. I guess for Catholicism, I can't help but sense a feeling of resentment towards the rest of the world, considering that it's a smaller religion compared to a few others. In fact I think there are more Muslims in the world, and as for them, their desire to spread their religion seems to go hand in hand with upholding one's civilization or way of life.
I really have nothing against advertising one's religion in itself, but there's usually an inherent suspicion from me which tries to see such actions as having hidden interests. (Go ask the feminists--the real ones that is, and I have no idea what constitutes a real feminist unless she speaks up for herself and makes herself known.) A dominant religion interrelates itself with various disciplines in a specific period in time--science, history, law, politics, education, etc. It also affects the way families are ordered and the way people are engendered, hence society in a broader scale. Such a dominant religion affects and regulates the discourses of many related practices (and vice-versa) that underpin societal relationships--but it's not the only one doing so. The law separating Church and state is in fact also shaped by this interplay of power and discourse. Which is why when science goes against religious teaching, or when the media contradicts the sacred laws, the result is an interplay of power. In this respect, I criticise my religion for what it is--an institutionalized form of faith, a construct of men from the teachings of God. Heh, my parents are sort of bothered by the way I treat my religion. They can't just seem to accept the idea that a lot of politics is also involved in all this. Why do you think that there are vertical relationships within the Church for example? Why does it have to be based on a patriarchal model? Because it's written in the Bible? Who are the people who have written the Bible in the first place, and from what position were they writing from? If you want my blunt opinion--every religion is basically saying the same thing. It's like they're looking at the same tree from different angles. And yes, the atheists and agnostics are part of that too. The strange thing is, atheism has helped me enrich the way I see my faith. For one thing, I hate the type of Christian who lives for 'heaven' rather than for what matters in the present. It's like they replace this world for the next, and all their hopes and efforts are oriented towards heaven and to a god who robs them of their genuine worth here on earth. |
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2004-04-07, 01:40
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ぬけ人
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: フラグサッフ、アリゾナ
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manditor, maybe thats why islam doesnt exist on a large scale in the US. Because muslims are the most pious in the world to exactly what they have in the Qu'ran.
Religion can control man, but the US control over man contradicts what the bible says often which is basically what you own ends up owning you. That idea defeats the US reason for bieng: money and stuff. I love that line in Dazed and confused, ...America was founded by a bunch of white slave owning aristocrats who didnt want to pay their taxes. |
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2004-04-07, 01:41
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2004-04-07, 01:43
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the Iniquitous
Join Date: Nov 2003
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You are wrong! catholicism is one of the world's major religions!, every, EVERY latin american country, spain and portugal ( im not sure about this last one though)are catholics!! thats almost as big as China ( if not more). EDIT: Quote:
ahhh)what i was trying to say is that ONE religion is the best way to control a population, but when you have multiple religions the control is harder to mantain, i hope i made myself clear about that. So you are right to some extent when you say i agree with Gaara, because a goverment doesn't want multiple religions, but IMO they want just one! Quote:
 are you beeing sarcastic??? and is MANTIDOR learn to type!.... Quote:
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