2011-07-22, 10:23 | Link #2401 | |
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Though for the record, if I had a choice between the previous arc being the last one (on the condition that the final battle played out better) or the series continuing as is, I'd probably go with the former right now. Because though I can still see some potential with the plots direction, the pace and it's current plot can make it difficult to keep seeing any sort of light at the end of that deep dark tunnel. Did you by any chance post this rant somewhere? I'd like to read it for the lulz. |
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2011-07-23, 23:45 | Link #2402 |
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To add a little more to those explanations, Kubo has said that he planned for the rest of Bleach to be divided into two arcs: a relatively short one followed by a much longer one. The current story in the manga is probably still in the first of those arcs
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2011-08-26, 13:46 | Link #2403 |
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Why weren't there any hell gates following the death/purification of the various Espada? They're all arrancarised from menos class, and it's suggested that the top 4 are Vasto Lorde, with all the rest but #9 being Adjuchas - a Gillian alone is hundreds of hollows, a powerful Adjuchas will consume hundreds of Gillian in their search to become a Vasto Lorde, so a Vasto Lorde must comprise of millions of souls - surely of the ten Espada (& their fracciones), there must be quite a few souls who would be considered sinners?
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2011-08-26, 14:26 | Link #2405 |
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Yeah. It's clear Kubo likely didn't have enough time to come up with proper/official explanations to work out all the little kinks regarding hell. So we're free to come up with our own explanations I guess. I actually didn't get around to watching movie #4 yet so I apologize if potential explanations were covered in that movie.
What if the hollows who are completely devoured by gillians aren't strong enough to keep their consciousness and soul? Would it be fair to consider the soul and consciousness of those hollows to be (for all intents and purposes) destroyed? To sum it up, perhaps among the menos class hollows, the *only* soul who can potentially be sent to hell are those who's souls were strong enough to become the dominant consciousness within the entire being. That is to say all the other devoured souls might as well be considered destroyed and are therefore unable to be sent to SS or hell. Of course, it's only my own theory I made on the spot just now. Take it w/ a grain of salt. |
2011-08-26, 15:09 | Link #2406 |
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i had a similar dicussion on dA if ichigo's mom's soul could be in the soul society or was it broken down in reshai (or what ever its called) because grand fisher evolved and was then killed,do souls that were eaten by hollows turn into spirit particles once the hollow is killed or do they remain intact and get sent to the soul society as normal souls?
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2011-08-31, 19:41 | Link #2407 |
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About bleach
I stopped watching bleach after episode 310 and I never have looked back untill now . I just wanted to know am I missing anything from not watching it? I thought it got really silly up to ichigo fighting Aizen.Im only saying this because well I do miss Ichigo and Kon .
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2011-09-04, 00:39 | Link #2409 |
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Bleach: Official Animation Book VIBEs was released along with the Bleach: Official Character Book SOULs. VIBEs came out at the same time as Bleach: Official Character Book SOULs in Japan, but only SOULs has been released in english. Why is that? will it ever be released in english?
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2011-09-10, 23:07 | Link #2410 |
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What are peoples' general thoughts/opinions on the arc after Ichigo beats Aizen? Haven't followed since like 3 or 4 chapters into the new arc as it seemed a bit weird to me. Because if it's bad, I'm totally down for writing off Bleach as being over and assuming Ichigo forever lost his powerzzz and married orihime (thx)
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2011-09-11, 14:49 | Link #2411 |
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It certainly seems like the manga is a ways off from the end. Many are saying the current anime filler is better than this manga arc, but I haven't kept up with that. What I would do in your shoes is just read through it all and see if you like it.
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2011-09-11, 21:14 | Link #2412 | |
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Is there a possibility that a soul originally from Soul Society can be punished by Hell? I'm thinking about Aizen's case.
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2011-09-12, 05:27 | Link #2413 |
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If the movie is any indicator, then I'd assume it's *possible*. The biggest hurdle would probably be getting a hell gate to appear without the aid of a resident from hell. But if Soul Society could figure that out, they could throw Aizen in there and that would be it. The movie showed us that once your in hell, the realm and it's guardians don't seem too good at distinguishing beings who ought to be there (evil human souls) from those who don't have any business there at all (shinigami & good/innocent/living human souls). Everyone was hunted and subject to being converted and punished upon entering through those gates.
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2011-09-12, 09:27 | Link #2414 |
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Kind of unrelated, but I doubt SS would toss Aizen into Hell even if they could open the Hell Gate. At least in their prison he can be kept under their watch and guard. If he's in Hell, he's out of their control, just like he was in HM. There's no telling who he might be able to corrupt, manipulate or convince to aid his escape. Too many variables involved with sending him there. I think they'd much prefer to keep him under their own lock and key.
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2011-09-14, 01:12 | Link #2415 |
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^ wait, since you brought up about Hueco mundo, there's something I don't understand.
If Soul Society can be compared to Heaven or is it really what people call Heaven (Rukia said it in the 1st episode), Then Hell can be say to be what people call Hell. Then, what is Hueco Mundo? yeah, it is a world of Hollows but can we consider it Hell too? I just remember Dante Allighieri's work entitled, Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso If I'm going to compare it to Kubo's work, I would consider it like this: Hell -- Inferno (Hell) Soul Socety & Hueco Mundo -- Purgatorio (Purgatory) Royal Palace -- Paradiso (Heaven) note that I both compare Soul Society and Hueco Mundo to Purgatorio because in Purgatorio -- soul is can either be saved or not/ a place where soul can be purified and cleanse. And I remember a character say this (I guess Ishida) "as long as there is soul, there is hollow" and so, i can say that they are both connected to one another. now, if a soul originally from ss commit a grave crime and the Hell moved itself to sentence that soul, then I guess there is no way he will gain control in Hell because Hell is a place of misery and torture. Aizen can't do whatever he did to Hueco Mundo (having a tea in Hell -- no way!) Aizen will be there to burn in fire for his own death. I really like the that idea of Aizen being sentence by Hell especially now that he is immortal. I think it would be a great ending for him if Kubo can think of this. But, unfortunately, this is just a wishful thinking. btw, I haven't watch the Hell movie too, so don't take my post seriously. I guess, Hell structure in the 4th movie and Kubo's work were completely different from Dante Allighieri.
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Hueco Mundo seems pretty awful for the vast majority of souls no matter how you look at it. But since it's not technically "hell", and since innocent, good people are sent their all the time, we can't call it as such unfortunately. Either way, most souls who end up there are destined to live a pretty harsh existence where a constant state of hunger perpetuates a cycle where only the strong and/or lucky can survive and live relatively peacefully. Those who don't measure up eventually have their souls devoured and wiped from existence by another hollow regardless of whether the soul deserved it or not. It's pretty sad. So its hard for me to consider hollows and hueco mundo to be a form of purgatory or limbo. Especially since only the lucky few seem to ever get purified and saved by a shingami. And in order for that to happen, a hollow typically has to find there way into the human realm or SS for their next meal. Quote:
I wouldn't expect you to know this since you admitted to not seeing the movie yet, but the only thing that keeps a resident of hell bound to the realm are spiritual chains. (I forget their proper name if they even had one.) Since these chains can be broken if a soul were to become strong enough (on par with Ichigo's perfect hollowfication form), sending Aizen down their with the hougyoku could result in something bad I suppose. Assuming the hougyoku gave him back vast amounts of power, not only would he be able to break free with ease, but he'd be able to free and form an entire legion composed of hell's residents. Or he might willingly chose to remain in captivity since being a "sinner" would technically grant him another form of immortality since its residents can get resurrected almost indefinitely if killed. With the aid of the hougyoku, and his own extreme cunning & intellect, he might even find a way to convince hell into granting him tons of extra power by merging with the Kushannard's. And these are only some of the many possibilities. Langus really wasn't kidding when he stated that there could be too many variables to consider. Having said that, I find it a lot fun to think about. |
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2011-09-16, 00:55 | Link #2418 | |
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In this case, the movie definitely isn't canon since Kubo admits to feeling disappointed that much of his ideas where not incorporated into the film. He didn't even want credit for being apart of it. With that said, I question whether this movie fills in gaps on Kubo's behalf. What's worse is that I think the movie might have ruined any chance Kubo had towards integrating the aspect of hell into the main canon. IMO, he might not want to play around with hell too much now that the movie has already established plenty of details about it into the franchise that would directly go against his own ideas at this point. Last edited by sayde; 2011-09-16 at 05:46. |
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