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Lycodrake · 2012-06-08, 20:34

Material Days update.
Truly this is a wonderful day.

SonicNanohaFan2012 · 2012-06-08, 22:47

Speaking of updates.. I'm updating my two crossovers Saturday

Insane Inquisitor · 2012-06-09, 00:46

Dear all:

Just a quick question - does Nanoha have any ranged spells that she can fire while on the move? More importantly, is there any which she could fire "backwards" per se? (i.e. flying forwards while pointing her staff behind her and shoot?)

For reference, here is the list of spells she uses...http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Nanoha_Takamachi (Scroll down for list of spells).

Finally - how effective can we expect her spells to be against light to medium aircraft?

Many thanks.

Insane Inquisitor.

Akiyoshi · 2012-06-09, 00:59

Divine/Axel Shooter has become a very flexible and usefull multi-directional attack spell by the time of StrikerS.Nanoha uses it with great effectiveness during dogfight with some Type-II Gadget Drones. She also developed the "Short Buster" which is a less powerfull but quick casted version of her famous Divine Buster.

For maximum quick response she also have the "Impact Cannon" which she can use without her staff and the "Strike Smasher" from the MOVIE 1st manga which is a very usefull fast-response anti-personel attack executed just with the palm of her hand.

Assuming some calculations made by other people is true Nanoha can react at hypersonic speed and is a very skilled aerial fighter, coupled with her strong and flexible array of defensive spells including shields, barriers, binds, etc... She'll be a very good match for modern fighter jets. Heck i bet Nanoha have a fair chance to take on Iron Man xD

Rising Dragon · 2012-06-09, 01:24

Basic bullet spells, like Divine Shooter and Photon Lancer/Plasma Lancer can be charged and fired while on the move, as demonstrated repeatedly in the first movie. Most of Nanoha's bombardment spells seem to require her to stop moving, but if you look at the A's games, she can still snap off a Divine Buster very quickly.

As for fighting against aircraft, power-wise any of her spells could shred an aircraft to pieces--we're talking about the woman who punched holes through dozens of bulkheads in the Saint's Cradle--a smaller modern aircraft wouldn't do well against that kind of firepower even without Blaster Mode activated.

The real problem would be hitting such a target, due to how fast light to medium aircraft can travel. It'd boil down to tactics and aiming, and very likely she'd rely on bullet spells to take such an aircraft down due to the ability to control the shots like a guided missile. Though I think a well-placed bind trap would cause an aircraft to tear itself apart because unlike a human, it wouldn't be able to stop moving so quickly.

Tiresias · 2012-06-09, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

unlike a human, it wouldn't be able to stop moving so quickly.

Wait what? That kind of sudden stop will tear a non-mage human easier than an airplane.

SonicNanohaFan2012 · 2012-06-09, 07:37

Nanoha would own Iron Man any day.. Divine Buster.. Bindings.. Starlight Breaker.. I'd like to see Stark top that!

Kaijo · 2012-06-09, 07:39

It would all depend on intent of the caster. It is magic, so stopping a human or a plane with a bind spell, and having the person remain in one piece, is certainly possible. But I think what RD is saying, is that a humans, even mages, generally aren't moving as fast as a jet plane. Going 600 to 1,000 mph means you store up a lot of kinetic energy. Suddenly stopping that with a bind, would tear the plane apart. And probably smoosh the human inside.

And yes, Nanoha can fire off magic bullets and busters easily while flying. Witness her taking down the type 2 drones in Strikers Ep 5. I get that the feeling that by now, Nanoha only needs to stop to cast something big like SLB, or to better aim. Also for dramatic effect, heh. In any event, I'd consider there to be leeway between when she needs to stop and when she can still move.

Lhklan · 2012-06-09, 08:08

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Originally Posted by SonicNanohaFan2012

Nanoha would own Iron Man any day.. Divine Buster.. Bindings.. Starlight Breaker.. I'd like to see Stark top that!

Unibeam, Photon Cannon. Not to mention the list of armors that he had.

Nanya01 · 2012-06-09, 08:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonicNanohaFan2012

Nanoha would own Iron Man any day.. Divine Buster.. Bindings.. Starlight Breaker.. I'd like to see Stark top that!

Iron Man has tanked Thor's magic.

Unless you want to say that Thor, one of the most powerful beings in Marvel, goes toe-to-toe with Hulk himself, wouldn't be able to touch Nanoha.

Oh yeah, Iron Man tanked Thor's magic in a suit that's not MEANT to tank Thor's magic (Hulkbuster).

He's got a suit that IS meant to tank Thor's magic...

AND he's got a suit that can hack EVERY piece of technology on the planet at the same time (He used it to hack the Shi'Ar Empire's technology).

Who's to say he couldn't over-write programming on devices?

Tiresias · 2012-06-09, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Insane Inquisitor

Finally - how effective can we expect her spells to be against light to medium aircraft?

Speaking of which, are we talking about real-life aircraft? If so, which generation?

biodude711 · 2012-06-09, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Tiresias

Speaking of which, are we talking about real-life aircraft? If so, which generation?

Real-life, current-generation aircraft like the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II.

Nightengale · 2012-06-09, 08:50

Bringing Marvel-verse into the discussion of anything powerlevels related is inviting trouble. Best to end it here.

Besides, Stark currently has one of the Infinity Gems.

Tiresias · 2012-06-09, 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by biodude711

Real-life, current-generation aircraft like the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II.

Well her spells will be effective against them, that's for sure. I'm more curious on why would someone send fifth generation fighters against mages; unless they're modified with thaumaturgic sensors or something they can't do squat against mages because their sensors won't even be able to detect such small targets.

GaelicDragon · 2012-06-09, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by biodude711

Real-life, current-generation aircraft like the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II.

Or Generation 5, I believe is the classification for what is coming off of the Boeing production lines.

If she can actually hit any of the modern aircraft, then even a light hit would cause massive problems. A glancing blow from to the craft would cause it to have a reaction outside of the control pilots need to operate. Beside a chance at making the aircraft move involuntarily, fighters are rather fragile. One solid hit even with a small attack would cause potentially catastrophic damage.

As for the Nanoha vs. Iron Man... Nanoha in the first fight against Tony's standard armor. Tony in the second or third fight after he has had time to adapt.

biodude711 · 2012-06-09, 09:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Well her spells will be effective against them, that's for sure. I'm more curious on why would someone send fifth generation fighters against mages; unless they're modified with thaumaturgic sensors or something they can't do squat against mages because their sensors won't even be able to detect such small targets.

True.
What would be effective against mages then?

Tiresias · 2012-06-09, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by biodude711

True.
What would be effective against mages then?

Unless you have the necessary means of detection...almost none. Your only hope will be that the air-mages are stupid enough to fly so low that you can aim your AA-guns on them. But if we follow the statement saying that air-mages are all A-rankers or above then their barriers can tank those rounds.

At least, that's for air battles. Ground battles are fought on smaller areas compared to air so ground infantry has more opportunity to eyeball their targets. But it will still be bloody - heavy weapons that can actually hurt mages like anti-tank rockets moves slower than bullets and can be evaded, so they will need to distract the mage with small arms fire while the rocket soldiers sneaks closer.

Akiyoshi · 2012-06-09, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanya01

Iron Man has tanked Thor's magic.

Unless you want to say that Thor, one of the most powerful beings in Marvel, goes toe-to-toe with Hulk himself, wouldn't be able to touch Nanoha.

Oh yeah, Iron Man tanked Thor's magic in a suit that's not MEANT to tank Thor's magic (Hulkbuster).

He's got a suit that IS meant to tank Thor's magic...

AND he's got a suit that can hack EVERY piece of technology on the planet at the same time (He used it to hack the Shi'Ar Empire's technology).

Who's to say he couldn't over-write programming on devices?

Against Current Iron Man, Nanoha will have a chance to beat him on their first two battles before Tony designs something that can take down her. But well, it's not a demeaning defeat for Nanoha because Tony is kind of a cheater anyway, it's sort of his trend xD

But i'm sure Nanoha will curbstomp the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of Iron Man, at least up to his most recent upgrade (Mark VII Armor) in The Avengers movie. As long as she doesn't use the AEC/Equipements in which case she'll become a sitting duck for Tony to slice with his lasers xDU

Insane Inquisitor · 2012-06-09, 10:55

Thanks for the reply, everyone. Though in response to Tiresias' question, the aircraft I had in mind were actually:

Spoiler for Identity of air crafts:

Also, thanks to everyone for their input. Here is a quick excerpt of what Chapter One would look like:

Spoiler for For Length of Text:

Comments and review of this snippet are welcome!

Akiyoshi · 2012-06-09, 11:01

I can't see anything xDU

2012-06-09, 00:59	Link #36564
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Divine/Axel Shooter has become a very flexible and usefull multi-directional attack spell by the time of StrikerS.Nanoha uses it with great effectiveness during dogfight with some Type-II Gadget Drones. She also developed the "Short Buster" which is a less powerfull but quick casted version of her famous Divine Buster. For maximum quick response she also have the "Impact Cannon" which she can use without her staff and the "Strike Smasher" from the MOVIE 1st manga which is a very usefull fast-response anti-personel attack executed just with the palm of her hand. Assuming some calculations made by other people is true Nanoha can react at hypersonic speed and is a very skilled aerial fighter, coupled with her strong and flexible array of defensive spells including shields, barriers, binds, etc... She'll be a very good match for modern fighter jets. Heck i bet Nanoha have a fair chance to take on Iron Man xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Basic bullet spells, like Divine Shooter and Photon Lancer/Plasma Lancer can be charged and fired while on the move, as demonstrated repeatedly in the first movie. Most of Nanoha's bombardment spells seem to require her to stop moving, but if you look at the A's games, she can still snap off a Divine Buster very quickly. As for fighting against aircraft, power-wise any of her spells could shred an aircraft to pieces--we're talking about the woman who punched holes through dozens of bulkheads in the Saint's Cradle--a smaller modern aircraft wouldn't do well against that kind of firepower even without Blaster Mode activated. The real problem would be hitting such a target, due to how fast light to medium aircraft can travel. It'd boil down to tactics and aiming, and very likely she'd rely on bullet spells to take such an aircraft down due to the ability to control the shots like a guided missile. Though I think a well-placed bind trap would cause an aircraft to tear itself apart because unlike a human, it wouldn't be able to stop moving so quickly. __________________

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Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Bringing Marvel-verse into the discussion of anything powerlevels related is inviting trouble. Best to end it here. Besides, Stark currently has one of the Infinity Gems. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

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Insane Inquisitor Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Thanks for the reply, everyone. Though in response to Tiresias' question, the aircraft I had in mind were actually: Spoiler for Identity of air crafts: Eldar Phoenix bombers and Nightwing Interceptors. Yep, this will be another Nanoha and 40K crossover. Also, thanks to everyone for their input. Here is a quick excerpt of what Chapter One would look like: Spoiler for For Length of Text: Pilot Arantir was having the time of his life. Originally part of the Red Crimson Corsairs, the leading Corsair Lord had heard about Archon Quattro’s endeavour to conquer and occupy a planet occupied by a lesser race. Sure, he had heard some complications regarding a completely different dimension; but to Arantir that made no difference. While the Craftworld cousins play the foolish humble act, Arantir was more than ready to participate in restoring the millennia old prestige of the Eldar race. As far as he was concerned, any other races are Mon Keigh – those who deserve to be exterminated. To his pleasure, he was assigned to the first wave of the assault element once Quattro’s fleet was able to make planet fall. With the element of surprise on their side, she carefully plotted all aircraft squadron’s deployment to cause maximum bloodshed. In Arantir’s case he was assigned to a city called Cranagan. As Arantir’s Void Dragon Phoenix sliced through the Mid Childan atmosphere, he could feel the anticipation to the slaughter rising. He could only briefly imagine what it was like for the even more sensitive Commorrite Eldar; already he could see Ravens, Razorwings and Voidravens rapidly peeling off from his formation to engage another area. If the number of buildings were anything to ho by, it seems as though Archon Quattro was right; this planet had enough Mon Keigh for all of them yet. Even as that thought gained form, his Red Crimson squadron – consisting of his Void Dragon Phoenix, two Phoenixes and two Nightwing Interceptors – were soaring dangerously close to the rooftops of the various buildings. A soft, almost lifelike whine reminded him that the squad was flying close to the area of first strike. This target was marked because Archon Quattro recommended a visit here to best sow chaos. Once again, she did not disappoint. Looking ahead he could already see a large, milling crowd, most probably staring with stupid amazement at the speed of his graceful fliers. Not that Arantir minded; this would only make the coming part far more enjoyable. “Our targets are ahead. Let the games begin and may fortune forever favour you.” Almost as one, the mere second the transmission was completed, Red Crimson squadron unleashed a fusillade of Shuriken Cannon fire into the crowd. Taking speed and accuracy into account, it only took mere micro seconds to reduce a good portion of the crowd into pools of weltering gore. Upon the thickest portion of the crowd, the squad released a payload of Nightfire missiles. Those who escaped the Shuriken barrage were soon choking and immolated painfully in a sea of purple-black gas, condemned to a slow, agonising death. Nonetheless, Arantir noted to his disappointment that their array of firepower had somehow missed the four figures on the elaborate stage. He does not think highly of two Mon Keigh women and children who were nothing more than glorified actresses. So it was to his surprise that, a brief glow later, those two women were suddenly armed in somewhat garish battle attire and took to flight, most likely seeking to deliver the young ones to safety. Arantir grinned. This will turn out to be a hunt after all. ----------------------------- As citizens, Nanoha Takamachi and Fate Testarossa were horrified by the absolutely unprovoked attack. As TSAB agents, they are both eager to answer the call of duty and help in the greater effort to repel the invasion. As mothers, their instinctive obligation was to protect the child actresses they clutched in their arms. Leaving them on the ground was not an option. The gas was drifting towards the stage and the screams emanating from within was indication enough of danger. “[Nanoha, we need to find a safe place!]” Fate mentally urged Nanoha as despite their speed, the attacker’s aircrafts were gaining on them fast. Fate also noted dismally that a rainstorm of various armour types are swiftly gliding down onto the ground; she could only hope that the Ground Forces were holding out. “[Make for Ground Forces HQ.]” Nanoha replied, having confirmed over the intercom that the attack was planet wide. “[It will be a war zone, but at least it will be the nearest fortified position.]” It was a crucial and unfortunate split second decision. There are raid shelters throughout Cranagan, but attempting to head there with enemy armour on their tail would only cause greater tragedy. “[Rog…]” Before Fate could finish her acknowledgement, Pulse Laser beams, Starcannon shots and Shuriken streams erupted from behind them. Their pursuers were only too eager for the kill. Though Raising Heart and Bardiche guided their owners through the barrage unharmed, it is still a demanding task. “Hold tight.” Nanoha whispered to Kaitlin. Freeing her left arm, Nanoha summoned Raising Heart’s staff mode and pulled an agile 180 degree turn on the spot. She aimed briefly in the general direction of the squadron. “RAISING HEART!” “Axel Shooter.” Raising Heart chimed in return as a dozen rounds of pink magical orbs manifested and surged towards the tailing Eldar Corsair squadron. As soon as the barrage had departed, Nanoha had taken off again. To her disappointment she could not hear the tell tale impact sound of her rounds. Unknown to her, this was because her rounds had soared towards mirage projections of the various fighters’ Holofields. By this time, anyone could see the sky is becoming even more chaotic. Now there were battleships, light cruisers by Fate’s estimation, joining the attack. From these sleek yet ominous leviathans emerged bat winged humanoids. Judging by sheer numbers released, Nanoha knew she could not afford to decelerate without being overwhelmed. ----- Pilot Arantir regretted his decision to inform Archon Quattro that the primary targets were engaged. With the arrival of the second wave assault accelerated, he would have to compete with the Commorrite Kin to obtain the kills. Noticing the bat winged Eldars descending from the Dark Eldar fleet, Arantir’s attitude softened a bit. The Scrouges can help impede both targets; and since Arantir was feeling philanthropic to his dying cousins they can consume the four souls too. ----- “[Fate, clear the path upfront. I need you to concentrate on guiding my flight.]” As if Fate was one step ahead, Nanoha could already hear Bardiche’s baritone declaration of “Haken From”, resulting in spinning ring of golden energy soaring ahead and knocking out a squad of Scrouges that were preparing to intercept their course. By now, Nanoha’s barrier jacket was only at 60% integrity; the added firepower and flexibility of the Scrouges meant it is near impossible to dodge the increasing hailstorm of fire without harm. More concerning was that some of the beam weaponry was capable of bypassing her shields. It was a miracle that thus far, both child actresses remained alive. Unless something was done, Nanoha knew the chances of them reaching Ground Forces HQ were increasingly slim. Discreetly, Nanoha released a Wide Area Search sensor. Not only would she need to fire without physically looking at her targets; she would have to do it backwards while protecting a child. Comments and review of this snippet are welcome! Last edited by Insane Inquisitor; 2012-06-09 at 11:01. Reason: Spoiler Tags (figruing out the ropes)

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Insane Inquisitor Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Dear all: Just a quick question - does Nanoha have any ranged spells that she can fire while on the move? More importantly, is there any which she could fire "backwards" per se? (i.e. flying forwards while pointing her staff behind her and shoot?) For reference, here is the list of spells she uses...http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Nanoha_Takamachi (Scroll down for list of spells). Finally - how effective can we expect her spells to be against light to medium aircraft? Many thanks. Insane Inquisitor.

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Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	It would all depend on intent of the caster. It is magic, so stopping a human or a plane with a bind spell, and having the person remain in one piece, is certainly possible. But I think what RD is saying, is that a humans, even mages, generally aren't moving as fast as a jet plane. Going 600 to 1,000 mph means you store up a lot of kinetic energy. Suddenly stopping that with a bind, would tear the plane apart. And probably smoosh the human inside. And yes, Nanoha can fire off magic bullets and busters easily while flying. Witness her taking down the type 2 drones in Strikers Ep 5. I get that the feeling that by now, Nanoha only needs to stop to cast something big like SLB, or to better aim. Also for dramatic effect, heh. In any event, I'd consider there to be leeway between when she needs to stop and when she can still move.