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Marion · 2009-06-12, 22:06

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Originally Posted by TheForsaken

She said she hated Maria even before she was born, so that means he abandoned them before Maria was born.
But that's what was said in Maria's dream, so I dont know we can trust it or not.

I doubt it. From an anti-fantasy point of view you can interpret completely that what we saw was just a dream Maria was having, since she wakes up in the scene directly afterward.

Hareoic · 2009-06-12, 22:38

In that case, it's highly unlikely he has anything to do with the rabbits.

Though I'm almost positive that his identity will be given in a later game, and he will somehow be important to the plot/mystery. Way too suspicious not to be.

hodil · 2009-06-12, 23:04

what happened to some theory of Gohda being Maria's dad XD

Was Battler correct at the end when he said that Ushiromiya Kinzo passed on his name and everyone acknowledged it o.0 That would be alittle... erm... weird.

I keep thinking that Battler always have something to do with all the crimes... I mean... Theres this scene in the opening of Episode 4.

Scene:

Theres some kind of bright background with Rudolph and Battler standing. And then in the foreground there's some chubby guy (presumably Hideyoshi) and then theres this odd face shape that hints the presence of a sleeping?/Dead? kinzo.

Hareoic · 2009-06-12, 23:11

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Originally Posted by hodil

what happened to some theory of Gohda being Maria's dad XD

Was Battler correct at the end when he said that Ushiromiya Kinzo passed on his name and everyone acknowledged it o.0 That would be alittle... erm... weird.

I keep thinking that Battler always have something to do with all the crimes... I mean... Theres this scene in the opening of Episode 4.

Scene:

Theres some kind of bright background with Rudolph and Battler standing. And then in the foreground there's some chubby guy (presumably Hideyoshi) and then theres this odd face shape that hints the presence of a sleeping?/Dead? kinzo.

You mean this scene?

Spoiler for I can't figure it out either, nor does turning up the brightness help:

Actually, it looks like George rather than Rudolph.

hodil · 2009-06-12, 23:16

Yes yes that scene
oh yes George..

Just what on earth is that?

A plot by George, Battler and Hideyoshi =.=

Hareoic · 2009-06-12, 23:24

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Originally Posted by hodil

Yes yes that scene
oh yes George..

Just what on earth is that?

A plot by George, Battler and Hideyoshi =.=

After overlaying Kinzo's character sprite, it looks like it MIGHT be his body lying there, but I can't be completely sure thanks the the edge softening.

Now, either they're outside a window, or they're on surveillance from the look of the screenshot. Either way, I really cannot think of any chapter that had anything that looked like that (pretty sure the only time Rudolph pulled Battler aside to talk was in the first game, and that was indoors, yet they're definitely outdoors).

Perhaps it's a scene from an upcoming game?

Edit: Actually, it looks like they have some kind of cowlick that Kinzo didn't. Currently trying to figure out who it is.

Marion · 2009-06-12, 23:44

No, it's Shannon from the 1st game when they find the bodies in the shed. It's the outline of her cap. Remember? Hideyoshi was standing in front of Shannon's body to hide the corpse from George's sight.

Hareoic · 2009-06-12, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Marion

No, it's Shannon from the 1st game when they find the bodies in the shed. It's the outline of her cap. Remember? Hideyoshi was standing in front of Shannon's body to hide the corpse from George's sight.

Oh geez, I thought it looked like her. Thanks for clearing that up.

Also worth noting:

Spoiler for Possible gold location:

Edit: And the scene with all the chains? Which one was that?

rogerpepitone · 2009-06-13, 00:05

The flashback said Maria's dad disappeared before Maria was born.

I'm the person who suggested the "Gohda is Maria's dad" and I never seriously believed it.

Taking the fact that he apparently hasn't been seen since, I think that he's been dead all this time.

Also, reread the episode 2 tea party. I think it contains Rosa's viewpoints of the pajama party / lost key incident, or perhaps how Rosa thinks Maria feels about those events.

Marion · 2009-06-13, 00:16

The chain thing probably concerns the locked chain room with Eva and Hideyoshi in EP 1 or maybe the 'six closed room chain' from EP 3

Hareoic · 2009-06-13, 00:28

Maybe. Don't remember a fire in that scene (or perhaps it was the room they found Kinzo's corpse in)

Nadeor · 2009-06-13, 01:08

k hmm...
Well I think I might be able to recall what sin Battler has commited 6 years ago...
If I'm allowed for a blue recital request...

Spoiler for Battler:

Hareoic · 2009-06-13, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Nadeor

k hmm...
Well I think I might be able to recall what sin Battler has commited 6 years ago...
If I'm allowed for a blue recital request...

Spoiler for Battler:

I don't think even Ryukishi's so twisted as to do something like that.

k//eternal · 2009-06-13, 01:14

I'd actually been thinking about that, but I figured it was too insane, haha.

Also, there's no way he'd forget THAT (or that Kyrie would)...

Hareoic · 2009-06-13, 01:17

Unless Rudolph was a particularly bad parent and didn't discourage it.

But yeah, doesn't seem that likely.

Nadeor · 2009-06-13, 02:20

Well I saw that on ACGOL forum (The chinese patch team of Umineko)
and thought it's pretty funny XD

Beatrice did not state what sin, so it can be any...maybe even the seven sins

Spoiler for S.O.P.:

Squirrellord · 2009-06-13, 02:35

Oh, just a thing about Pendragon. His name is given as both Pendragon, and 竜王, the second being "Dragon King". In Shogi, the Dragon King is a promoted Hisha, which can move any amount of spaces in a straight line, and one space in any diagonal. It's one of the most powerful people

Alaya · 2009-06-13, 04:36

There's one thing that bug me.

If Kinzo is dead prior to the start of each game, then who invoke Beatrice's resurrection ceremony at the beginning? Who initiate the Devil's roullette? If no one else could do except Kinzo, then wouldn't magic existence is destroyed since the beginning?

Other person that capable of doing that might be Maria, but we also don't have evidences that other people are not interested in occult stuffs (Devil's Proof), even the chance is very low.

lovelysan · 2009-06-13, 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadeor

k hmm...
Well I think I might be able to recall what sin Battler has commited 6 years ago...
If I'm allowed for a blue recital request...

Spoiler for Battler:

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO . XD !!!

Spoiler:

..........

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! XD

rogerpepitone · 2009-06-13, 06:08

@Nadeor: You can only use blue text if it somehow contradicts the existence of a witch.

2009-06-12, 22:38	Link #1302
Hareoic There will be burgers Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Omaha Age: 35	In that case, it's highly unlikely he has anything to do with the rabbits. Though I'm almost positive that his identity will be given in a later game, and he will somehow be important to the plot/mystery. Way too suspicious not to be. __________________ The Meta World reminds you that the Delicious Companion Burger will never threaten to stab you, and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Delicious Companion Burger does speak, The Meta World urges you to disregard it's advice.

2009-06-12, 23:04	Link #1303
hodil Solve me... Join Date: Mar 2009	what happened to some theory of Gohda being Maria's dad XD Was Battler correct at the end when he said that Ushiromiya Kinzo passed on his name and everyone acknowledged it o.0 That would be alittle... erm... weird. I keep thinking that Battler always have something to do with all the crimes... I mean... Theres this scene in the opening of Episode 4. Scene: Theres some kind of bright background with Rudolph and Battler standing. And then in the foreground there's some chubby guy (presumably Hideyoshi) and then theres this odd face shape that hints the presence of a sleeping?/Dead? kinzo. __________________ "._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._.". _."._."._."._."._." The blog of truths.

2009-06-12, 23:16	Link #1305
hodil Solve me... Join Date: Mar 2009	Yes yes that scene oh yes George.. Just what on earth is that? A plot by George, Battler and Hideyoshi =.= __________________ "._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._."._.". _."._."._."._."._." The blog of truths.

2009-06-13, 00:28	Link #1311
Hareoic There will be burgers Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Omaha Age: 35	Maybe. Don't remember a fire in that scene (or perhaps it was the room they found Kinzo's corpse in) __________________ The Meta World reminds you that the Delicious Companion Burger will never threaten to stab you, and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Delicious Companion Burger does speak, The Meta World urges you to disregard it's advice.

2009-06-13, 01:08	Link #1312
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	k hmm... Well I think I might be able to recall what sin Battler has commited 6 years ago... If I'm allowed for a blue recital request... Spoiler for Battler: Battler Commited a sin 6 years ago. Ange was born 6 years ago. ...Don't hit me...

2009-06-12, 23:44	Link #1307
Marion The Great Dine Join Date: Feb 2009	No, it's Shannon from the 1st game when they find the bodies in the shed. It's the outline of her cap. Remember? Hideyoshi was standing in front of Shannon's body to hide the corpse from George's sight.

2009-06-13, 00:05	Link #1309
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	The flashback said Maria's dad disappeared before Maria was born. I'm the person who suggested the "Gohda is Maria's dad" and I never seriously believed it. Taking the fact that he apparently hasn't been seen since, I think that he's been dead all this time. Also, reread the episode 2 tea party. I think it contains Rosa's viewpoints of the pajama party / lost key incident, or perhaps how Rosa thinks Maria feels about those events.

2009-06-13, 00:16	Link #1310
Marion The Great Dine Join Date: Feb 2009	The chain thing probably concerns the locked chain room with Eva and Hideyoshi in EP 1 or maybe the 'six closed room chain' from EP 3

2009-06-13, 01:14	Link #1314
k//eternal do you know ベアトリーチェ様? Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 35	I'd actually been thinking about that, but I figured it was too insane, haha. Also, there's no way he'd forget THAT (or that Kyrie would)...

2009-06-13, 01:17	Link #1315
Hareoic There will be burgers Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Omaha Age: 35	Unless Rudolph was a particularly bad parent and didn't discourage it. But yeah, doesn't seem that likely. __________________ The Meta World reminds you that the Delicious Companion Burger will never threaten to stab you, and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Delicious Companion Burger does speak, The Meta World urges you to disregard it's advice.

2009-06-13, 02:20	Link #1316
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	Well I saw that on ACGOL forum (The chinese patch team of Umineko) and thought it's pretty funny XD Beatrice did not state what sin, so it can be any...maybe even the seven sins Spoiler for S.O.P.: Reflecting back on EP3, it seems like Battler and Lucifer are rather close to each other Now seriously, I think that the sin was hinted somewhere in the question arcs ...Enough to kill someone, now that's a hint... I remember that I learned in Socials class "The seven sins will lead to a religious death" And with Dante's Divine Comedy as a reference, perhaps we can see something Purgatorio and Inferno was quite promising with Umineko, I'd suggest that to read along side with the almighty Seagulls Question Arcs Can it be something Battler performed which has led him to giving out sins? Remember, although Battler did not die because of Stakes in the games, it doesn't mean that Battler 'cannot' be killed by the stakes (F*** endless nine, we're talking the game here) It was still quite 'harmony-like' of how the stakes tortured him~~Good times~GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMES~

2009-06-13, 02:35	Link #1317
Squirrellord Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Oh, just a thing about Pendragon. His name is given as both Pendragon, and 竜王, the second being "Dragon King". In Shogi, the Dragon King is a promoted Hisha, which can move any amount of spaces in a straight line, and one space in any diagonal. It's one of the most powerful people

2009-06-13, 04:36	Link #1318
Alaya Counter Force Join Date: Nov 2007	There's one thing that bug me. If Kinzo is dead prior to the start of each game, then who invoke Beatrice's resurrection ceremony at the beginning? Who initiate the Devil's roullette? If no one else could do except Kinzo, then wouldn't magic existence is destroyed since the beginning? Other person that capable of doing that might be Maria, but we also don't have evidences that other people are not interested in occult stuffs (Devil's Proof), even the chance is very low. __________________ Fate/Zero: This was the tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and was driven to despair by them. Madoka: This was the tale of magical girls whose wishes are pure and by them are driven to despair.

2009-06-13, 06:08	Link #1320
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	@Nadeor: You can only use blue text if it somehow contradicts the existence of a witch.