Valkyria Chronicles (PS3) Game Discussion

[yezhanquan]

Actually, I've been thinking about an alternative campaign where you play as a commander of the Imperial forces, who eventually won the right to be Max's right hand man. From there, you help sort things out between him and Selvaria, and (perhaps sadly) crush Gallia for the glory of the Empire. And yes, you will be on the other side of the battlefield the entire way, engaging Welkin and his team.

Spoiler for game details:

Ultimately, your goal is to subdue Gallia before engaging the Atlantic Federation. Should be given a choice of either putting the team in prison, or killing them all. As for Alicia, one "bad" path would be to hold the team hostage, and force her to activate her powers alongside Selvaria, again for the glory of the Empire.

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

From there, you help sort things out between him and Selvaria,

Good luck.

It's a half-decent idea, though I think the part quoted is a bit of wishful thinking.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

Good luck.

It's a half-decent idea, though I think the part quoted is a bit of wishful thinking.

Spoiler for sample dialogue:

Max: You dare speak to your Prince in this manner?! You're nothing, just like Selvaria!

You (female commander with Yukana's voice, perhaps): That may be so, Sire. But, you cannot deny that the day was won with my help. All I ask is that you treat my troops with respect. Lady Selvaria has been instrumental as well. Or if you desire... (kneeling before Max) Lady Selvaria and I can be of use to your quest to become heir.

Max: How... did you... (cue Lelouch-like stammering)

You: As a commander who've brought you victory, could I afford to neglect my prince's ultimate aims? Gallia is but the surface of your problems.

The best outcome is that

Spoiler for game details:

Max's temper and behaviour is toned down and channeled by you. From a heartless fellow in the original, you get him to acknowledge that he too can be capable of feelings and emotion. Of course, his whole complex can be handled.

Gallia becomes part of the Imperial domain, but a fully autonomous one, with the Princess as head. That is the price Alicia and Welkin sought for them to join in the Imperial side against the Federation.

Face it: How cool would it be to use BOTH Selvaria and Alicia at the same time?

With the Imperial forces as the final victors, Max duly becomes Emperor. But, he rules justly. Oh, and who shall be his Queen? Of course, Gallia is now first among equals in the domain; Welkin and Alicia having their wedding and kids.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

From there, you help sort things out between him and Selvaria

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

Good luck.

It's a half-decent idea, though I think the part quoted is a bit of wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Spoiler for sample dialogue:

Max: You dare speak to your Prince in this manner?! You're nothing, just like Selvaria!

You (female commander with Yukana's voice, perhaps): That may be so, Sire. But, you cannot deny that the day was won with my help. All I ask is that you treat my troops with respect. Lady Selvaria has been instrumental as well. Or if you desire... (kneeling before Max) Lady Selvaria and I can be of use to your quest to become heir.

Max: How... did you... (cue Lelouch-like stammering)

You: As a commander who've brought you victory, could I afford to neglect my prince's ultimate aims? Gallia is but the surface of your problems.

The best outcome is that

Spoiler for game details:

Max's temper and behaviour is tempered and channeled by you. From a heartless fellow in the original, you get him to acknowledge that he too can be capable of feelings and emotion. Of course, his whole complex can be handled.

Gallia becomes part of the Imperial domain, but a fully autonomous one, with the Princess as head. That is the price Alicia and Welkin sought for them to join in the Imperial side against the Federation.

Face it: How cool would it be to use BOTH Selvaria and Alicia at the same time?

Now that's a "What If" scenario i would like to see.

Also

Spoiler for About sample dialogue:

For some odd reason, i imagining Kate Higgins and Johnny Yong Bosch doing that dialogue. Must be the Code Geass reference you did.

[yezhanquan]

You are right: Fukuyama and Yukana are Lelouch and C.C.. Of course, that is just my casting. But, seriously, it would be cool to see a lady officer basically saying "Screw you" to Max. I'm the one who's been winning the battles, so take your aristocrat attitude and stuff it up you ass, Prince.

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Spoiler for sample dialogue:

Max: You dare speak to your Prince in this manner?! You're nothing, just like Selvaria!

You (female commander with Yukana's voice, perhaps): That may be so, Sire. But, you cannot deny that the day was won with my help. All I ask is that you treat my troops with respect. Lady Selvaria has been instrumental as well. Or if you desire... (kneeling before Max) Lady Selvaria and I can be of use to your quest to become heir.

Max: How... did you... (cue Lelouch-like stammering)

You: As a commander who've brought you victory, could I afford to neglect my prince's ultimate aims? Gallia is but the surface of your problems.

The best outcome is that

Spoiler for game details:

Max's temper and behaviour is toned down and channeled by you. From a heartless fellow in the original, you get him to acknowledge that he too can be capable of feelings and emotion. Of course, his whole complex can be handled.

Gallia becomes part of the Imperial domain, but a fully autonomous one, with the Princess as head. That is the price Alicia and Welkin sought for them to join in the Imperial side against the Federation.

Face it: How cool would it be to use BOTH Selvaria and Alicia at the same time?

With the Imperial forces as the final victors, Max duly becomes Emperor. But, he rules justly. Oh, and who shall be his Queen? Of course, Gallia is now first among equals in the domain; Welkin and Alicia having their wedding and kids.

Spoiler for ...I'm not actually sure.:

So it would be a multi-route thing? With specific choices of what 'you' say (or do in missions) affecting the way that Maximillian acts? What a tightrope to get the Good End!

It... might work. I think I'd need to see it to believe it though.

And if someone mouthed off to him, I easily see him having them punished. Severely.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

Spoiler for ...I'm not actually sure.:

So it would be a multi-route thing? With specific choices of what 'you' say (or do in missions) affecting the way that Maximillian acts? What a tightrope to get the Good End!

It... might work. I think I'd need to see it to believe it though.

And if someone mouthed off to him, I easily see him having them punished. Severely.

Not badmouthing outright. Notice how C.C. is seemingly polite with her words, yet they somehow manage to end up screwing Lelouch? Same thing here. Max isn't stupid. From the words of the dialogue, he won't be able to justify doing anything to this commander, who has sent the Welkin team on the run, and preserved the strength of the Empire's forces.

In fact, the intention is to have you start as a fresh graduate out of the Imperial Academy. First, you go under the command of Yaeger. As you score victories elsewhere, eventually, Selvaria takes notice and brings you directly before Max to deal with Gallia. From the initial air of dismissal, you make the prince eat his words repeatedly, and Selvaria even feels confident enough for you to direct her in battle, against the Welkin team.

Spoiler for other details:

I don't intend it to be multiple-path, but I guess it could be done. In this script, you, the commander, knows of Max's Lelouch-like background (mother being commoner, trying hard to impress people). And, let's face it, anyone with a heart can tell that Selvaria really wanted Max to acknowledge her presence.

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Not badmouthing outright. Notice how C.C. is seemingly polite with her words, yet they somehow manage to end up screwing Lelouch? Same thing here. Max isn't stupid. From the words of the dialogue, he won't be able to justify doing anything to this commander, who has sent the Welkin team on the run, and preserving the strength of the Empire's forces.

Who would he have to justify it to? He also would likely attempt to force out exactly how your protagonist had determined all the pertinent info about him.

[yezhanquan]

He may be the absolute commander of this theater of operations, but if the Imperial court hears about this "lowly" prince acting against a "hero" of the Empire, things will be very interesting.

The usual means: spying. By this stage, you're no longer some small fry fresh from Academy. Troops bow to you. Even the stoic Selvaria can spare you a smile. Hell, you're even threatening to outshine the Prince himself. Indeed, Max recognises that should he try to remove you, it'll automatically translate into an attempt to hog all the credit to himself in the eyes of the Court. If you ask for something from the intelligence department, they express their discomfort.

"But... we'll do it. Only for you, Commander. And please, don't misuse it."

[spawnofthejudge]

...alright. If you write it, I'd read it. I'm far too involved in this conversation not to.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

...alright. If you write it, I'd read it. I'm far too involved in this conversation not to.

Now if we could somehow convince Sega to do that special DLC Imperial Campaign....

[yezhanquan]

@MrTerrorist: Well, it's Sega's call. But, I get the feeling that they'll want to sell it as a full version game.

Of course, the commander character is a decent fellow at heart. He (for simplicity's sake) sees the dark side of the Empire, but vows not to let the darkness seep into his heart. So, for the first few battles, he follows orders. Cue the humane treatment to enemies. The jerks on his side will diss him for being "soft". Of course, he takes no notice.

Eventually, word of his abilities reached Selvaria's ears. And about time. Welkin's team has been tearing holes in the Empire's offensive (as seen in VC). Max is losing his head, and Selv thinks that you might be the man for the job. So, off you go to the Gallian front.

Against Welkin and his team, the commander proves to be a Worthy Opponent. Various members of the team, even Welkin himself, realised that this is no run-of-the-mill Imperial commander, but one which could end Gallia's independence. Max admits you into the Sterns (and forcing a slight name change). Selvaria trusts you. But, as you noted her behaviour around Max, and Max's reactions, and ask her about them, she obviously refuses to bite. You made a mental note to pursue it when things stabilises.

One by one, Welkin's teammates fell into Imperial hands. This part would be interesting. If you choose to kill team members, you can expect the resistance to stiffen, and chances of getting a "bad" ending increases. Imprison them, and you risk losing them should Welkin wins a mission against you (and rescuing the imprisoned members). Releasing them back to Welkin means fighting them again later, but they might help sway the team's view on the Empire. As your fame grew, you decide to "snoop" around for some information on Max.

Spoiler for details again:

Eventually, Alicia decides to use her powers as the last chance to defeat you. Selvaria (who hasn't released her powers for all to see, yet) grants you her services in this battle.

[spawnofthejudge]

@MrTerrorist: You mean the one they're releasing in the US on the sixteenth? Or what yezhanquan is talking about?

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Against Welkin and his team, the commander proves to be a Worthy opponent. Various members of the team, even Welkin himself, realised that this is no run-of-the-mill Imperial commander, but one which could end Gallia's independence.

Squad Seven was always up against a wall, particularly as the game progressed (and the main army decided to screw everyone over). The Imperial Army as it was could easily end Gallia's independence, and they knew it. I don't see how Welkin and Co. would see any sort of competent strategist as a Worthy Opponent, at least not without Squad Seven becoming more autonomous. Maybe the addition of the one thing I wanted from the original game (FACE THE ALLIANCE IN MORE THAN ONE BATTLE *cough*) would give them the opportunity.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

@MrTerrorist: You mean the one they're releasing in the US on the sixteenth? Or what yezhanquan is talking about?

Squad Seven was always up against a wall, particularly as the game progressed (and the main army decided to screw everyone over). The Imperial Army as it was could easily end Gallia's independence, and they knew it. I don't see how Welkin and Co. would see any sort of competent strategist as a Worthy Opponent, at least not without Squad Seven becoming more autonomous. Maybe the addition of the one thing I wanted from the original game (FACE THE ALLIANCE IN MORE THAN ONE BATTLE *cough*) would give them the opportunity.

Welkins will definitely find it strange.

Welkins: What, him again? We're merely Squad 7!
Alicia: I think we're more than that to him. He seems intent on chasing us to the ends of the world.
Welkins: He releases our guys, is generally unlike the Imperial jerks, AND he's ignoring the main army just to pursue us?
Alicia (correcting): Not ignoring. Delegating. Face it, Welkins. With that man's (imagine Inoue going "ano otoko") skills, the main army won't stand a chance now.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

@MrTerrorist: Well, it's Sega's call. But, I get the feeling that they'll want to sell it as a full version game.

Your right, it would take a Blu-ray DVD to fit the entire Imperial Campaign just like VC's Gallia Campaign. Also i wonder if the Imperial Commander (Which i like to prefer call as a she since Yukana/Kate Higgins voice sounds cool) would be able influence

Spoiler for Choice:

who Max will fall in love with like say... Selvaria, Cordelia or the Commander herself?

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Welkins will definitely find it strange.

Welkins: What, him again? We're merely Squad 7!
Alicia: I think we're more than that to him. He seems intent on chasing us to the ends of the world.
Welkins: He releases our guys, is generally unlike the Imperial jerks, AND he's ignoring the main army just to pursue us?
Alicia (correcting): Not ignoring. Delegating. Face it, Welkins. With that man's (imagine Inoue going "ano otoko") skills, the main army won't stand a chance now.

Two things. One, I never got the gist that the Squad ever thought itself inherently superior to the main army. Two...

Welkins? Really?

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Your right, it would take a Blu-ray DVD to fit the entire Imperial Campaign just like VC's Gallia Campaign. Also i wonder if the Imperial Commander (Which i like to prefer call as a she since Yukana/Kate Higgins voice sounds cool) would be able influence

Spoiler for Choice:

who Max will fall in love with like say... Selvaria, Cordelia or the Commander herself?

I understand now.

Too bad they won't take a fan-written scenario

[yezhanquan]

Haha! A dating sim amid the battles? Someone other than me has to do that part.

Anyway, since in VC, Imperial forces are seen swarming (and losing to) Squad 7, for the first part, the Imperial commander gathers her own core of officers. Some may be her friends from the academy, others may be promoted in the field. Regardless, when Selvaria calls upon her to the Gallian front, she has but one condition.

"I do this my way, with my men (or ladies)."
Selvaria's answer: See that you do not mess this one up.

Your squad vs. Squad 7: Need I say more?

@spawn: Well, given their track record, they would have realised that they're about the only ones kicking Imperial ass. Welkin won't think of themselves as superior, but they DO have the record, which with your arrival, would start reversing.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

@MrTerrorist: You mean the one they're releasing in the US on the sixteenth? Or what yezhanquan is talking about?

I was talking about the fan made imaginary Imperial campaign me and yezhanquan were talking about, not the official DLC Imperial campaign from Sega. I apologize if you were confuse so i suggest we call yezhanquan Imperial Campaign idea, the Imperial Commander Campaign or (The Fan's Imperial campaign) to avoid confusion.

[yezhanquan]

Max: Oh? So, this is the new commander you speak of, Selvaria. She...(eyeing up and down) doesn't look like much.
Selvaria: My prince, rest assured that she'll turn the tide.
Max: She had better. And, she's going to do it alone. I wouldn't spare my troops supporting a commander who just stepped out of the academy not too long ago.
You: That's my intention as well. You see, I'm afraid that the other troops might... get in the way.
Max: You...
Selvaria: Stand down! Do not be insolent to the Prince!
You (kneeling, with a thin polite smile): You may await reports of my success, my Prince.

Selvaria: You speak with confidence. However, you might find Gallia to be... beyond your expectations.
You: My lady, I never fight battles without confidence. Squad vs. squad: sounds like even odds to all.

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

@spawn: Well, given their track record, they would have realised that they're about the only ones kicking Imperial ass. Welkin won't think of themselves as superior, but they DO have the record, which with your arrival, would start reversing.

...Okay. Most of my issues are semantics/word choice, so I'll drop it.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I was talking about the fan made imaginary Imperial campaign me and yezhanquan were talking about, not the official DLC Imperial campaign from Sega. I apologize if you were confuse so i suggest we call yezhanquan Imperial Campaign idea, the Imperial Commander Campaign or (The Fan's Imperial campaign) to avoid confusion.

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

I understand now.

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Max: Oh? So, this is the new commander you speak of, Selvaria. She...(eyeing up and down) doesn't look like much.
Selvaria: My prince, rest assured that she'll turn the tide.
Max: She had better. And, she's going to do it alone. We wouldn't spare my troops supporting a commander who just stepped out of the academy not too long ago.
You: That's my intention as well. You see, I'm afraid that the other troops might... get in the way.
Max: You...
Selvaria: Stand down! Do not be insolent to the Prince!
You (kneeling, with a thin polite smile): You may await reports of my success, my Prince.

Selvaria: You speak with confidence. However, you might find Gallia to be... beyond your expectations.
You: My lady, I never fight battles without confidence. Squad vs. squad: sounds like even odds to all.

If there was one thing I loved about the English version, it was the use of the Royal We to make him sound pompous. Side note: This commander really really doesn't like Maximillion, does s/he?