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[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by cors8

He's taking back the Civil Rights movement for the white folks. It's major news!

well...
while beck is a pretty ... controversial character...
there IS something to be said about how absurd things can get sometimes.
if you advocate protecting the rights of minority groups you are a civil rights activist.
if you advocate protecting rights of non-minorities, you are a racist.

thats somewhat broken...

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You know, it's funny to see such modesty after seeing this.

Seriously, he should start watching his back. Like MrTerrorist said, he's a freaking idiot.

He's taking back the Civil Rights movement for the white folks. It's major news!

Not sure if serious...

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

well...
while beck is a pretty ... controversial character...
there IS something to be said about how absurd things can get sometimes.
if you advocate protecting the rights of minority groups you are a civil rights activist.
if you advocate protecting rights of non-minorities, you are a racist.

thats somewhat broken...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/claren..._b_696467.html

Spoiler:

As nearly anyone with an even passing interest in Fox News knows, Glenn Beck is convening a "Restoration of Honor" Rally at the Lincoln Memorial this Saturday, Aug. 28, in Washington, D.C., in front of the Lincoln Memorial. His rally is schedule to occur at the same place, 47 years later to the date, of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's "I Have A Dream" speech to more than 250,000 people assembled at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Mr. Beck summons us to "come celebrate American by honoring our heroes and our future."

For some time it wasn't clear whether Mr. Beck scheduled his rally to coincide with the
Anniversary of Dr. King's historic address by design or accident, but the fact that Dr. King's
niece Alveda will be appearing with him on the steps speaks volumes . Beck says it is a "non-political event that pays tribute to America's service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor." Until otherwise indicated, we take him at his word.

I have already heard comments on the cable television political news shows criticizing him for holding his event at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial on the same date where the March on Washington took place. There may or may not be a valid basis for criticism. It does not appear so from the words used to describe his event. Only the reality of actions taken and words spoken this Saturday will show whether such criticism was valid.

In his website invitation to persons to join him in Washington, Beck reminds us
that "throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change
her course." He writes "It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are
able to live as a free people."

Indeed, I agree on that point. Beck and his followers have a unique opportunity to commemorate Martin Luther King, Jr. as an extraordinary example of one of America's "great leaders and noteworthy citizens," who by enabling our country to peacefully end American apartheid, changed our nation's course for us to live as a free people. The substance of Dr.King's speech 47 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial was a plea to America to "Restore its Honor." Or, in the words of Beck, "to restore the values that founded this great nation."

In collaboration with Stuart Connelly, I recently completed a book, describing the original "March On Washington" event, in real time, for today's generation. Titled Behind The Dream: Inside The Speech That Transformed A Nation, published by Palgrave Macmilloan (out on January 4, 2011), we provide a firsthand, never-before-told, story of the behind the scenes, discussions of the organizers of the MOW and a detailed description about the backstage discussions of the organizers of The March and a detailed description of the
preparation and delivery by Dr. King of his famous speech. We recommend our book to Beck and his followers to refresh their recollection of the magnitude of the great debt our nation owes to Martin Luther King, Jr. for his efforts, in Beck's words, to restore America's honor and the "the values that founded this great nation."

Those of us who worked on convening the "March On Washington" during July and August 1963 are envious of the technology now available to organize and coordinate such an event. In our book I comment on the possibilities of how much more effective our rally 47 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial would have been had we had the use of the internet and various mobile technologies. A review of Beck's "Restoring our Honor " website makes one muse, what if we had had this kind of communications tool available to us as we planned and
executed the 1963 March on Washington?"

Beck, Sarah Palin and others who are summoning people today to join them to restore the honor of America, whether intended or not, are following in the footsteps of Dr. King. He spoke prophetically about their generation. Indeed, he had a "Dream" that young Becks and Palins, when they became adults, would join hands not only with members of their "Tea Party," but, all Americans of goodwill, regardless of their race, color or ethnicity, to restore the honor and values enshrined in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Civil Rights leaders who justifiably stake a "proprietary" claim to the legacy of the March on Washington and Dr. King's "Dream" 47 years ago should reach out and extend the hand of fellowship to Beck and his followers. We have set the bar extremely high for
all protests on the federal government. In his choice of date and location, he is clearly holding
himself to a serious set of standards. Subject to eventual content of the program planned on this anniversary date, we should, in the tradition and legacy of Dr. King, welcome and extend a hand to him and all persons who are committed to social justice, equality and restoring the honor of America.

Those of us who are blessed by longevity and privileged to have played a strategic role in the success of our "March on Washington" at the Lincoln Memorial where Beck plans to assemble his followers should be especially proud of our efforts. It was through our example and those of more than 250,000 of our multiracial brothers and sisters that summoned our fellow citizens to restore our nation's honor and values upon which our country was founded.

The Lord works in mysterious ways, and he has wonders to perform. Accordingly, we extend the hand of fellowship to Beck, Palin and their followers this weekend, and ask them to symbolically join hands with us to recommit ourselves to Dr. King's "Dream."

Dr. King's niece is attending the rally, wow I didn't realize she was racist too...

To be honest, if Al Sharpton and his ilk are against it, then I'm all for it. He's one of the biggest racists in this country, and shames Dr. Martin Luther King's name.

[SaintessHeart]

When racism reaches its peak, there can be only one solution : mutually assured destruction.

It's a pity none of them are biologists who can engineer a virus that targets a certain race and wipe them all out within days. Otherwise this problem could have easily been solved.

And they have to go the long and hard way of killing the hated race one at a time - a rather time consuming process that gives the opposing side a chance to recoup their losses and fight back.

P.S Apparently the rally has been named the MMM (Million Moron March).

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/claren..._b_696467.html

Spoiler:

As nearly anyone with an even passing interest in Fox News knows, Glenn Beck is convening a "Restoration of Honor" Rally at the Lincoln Memorial this Saturday, Aug. 28, in Washington, D.C., in front of the Lincoln Memorial. His rally is schedule to occur at the same place, 47 years later to the date, of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's "I Have A Dream" speech to more than 250,000 people assembled at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Mr. Beck summons us to "come celebrate American by honoring our heroes and our future."

For some time it wasn't clear whether Mr. Beck scheduled his rally to coincide with the
Anniversary of Dr. King's historic address by design or accident, but the fact that Dr. King's
niece Alveda will be appearing with him on the steps speaks volumes . Beck says it is a "non-political event that pays tribute to America's service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor." Until otherwise indicated, we take him at his word.

I have already heard comments on the cable television political news shows criticizing him for holding his event at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial on the same date where the March on Washington took place. There may or may not be a valid basis for criticism. It does not appear so from the words used to describe his event. Only the reality of actions taken and words spoken this Saturday will show whether such criticism was valid.

In his website invitation to persons to join him in Washington, Beck reminds us
that "throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change
her course." He writes "It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are
able to live as a free people."

Indeed, I agree on that point. Beck and his followers have a unique opportunity to commemorate Martin Luther King, Jr. as an extraordinary example of one of America's "great leaders and noteworthy citizens," who by enabling our country to peacefully end American apartheid, changed our nation's course for us to live as a free people. The substance of Dr.King's speech 47 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial was a plea to America to "Restore its Honor." Or, in the words of Beck, "to restore the values that founded this great nation."

In collaboration with Stuart Connelly, I recently completed a book, describing the original "March On Washington" event, in real time, for today's generation. Titled Behind The Dream: Inside The Speech That Transformed A Nation, published by Palgrave Macmilloan (out on January 4, 2011), we provide a firsthand, never-before-told, story of the behind the scenes, discussions of the organizers of the MOW and a detailed description about the backstage discussions of the organizers of The March and a detailed description of the
preparation and delivery by Dr. King of his famous speech. We recommend our book to Beck and his followers to refresh their recollection of the magnitude of the great debt our nation owes to Martin Luther King, Jr. for his efforts, in Beck's words, to restore America's honor and the "the values that founded this great nation."

Those of us who worked on convening the "March On Washington" during July and August 1963 are envious of the technology now available to organize and coordinate such an event. In our book I comment on the possibilities of how much more effective our rally 47 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial would have been had we had the use of the internet and various mobile technologies. A review of Beck's "Restoring our Honor " website makes one muse, what if we had had this kind of communications tool available to us as we planned and
executed the 1963 March on Washington?"

Beck, Sarah Palin and others who are summoning people today to join them to restore the honor of America, whether intended or not, are following in the footsteps of Dr. King. He spoke prophetically about their generation. Indeed, he had a "Dream" that young Becks and Palins, when they became adults, would join hands not only with members of their "Tea Party," but, all Americans of goodwill, regardless of their race, color or ethnicity, to restore the honor and values enshrined in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Civil Rights leaders who justifiably stake a "proprietary" claim to the legacy of the March on Washington and Dr. King's "Dream" 47 years ago should reach out and extend the hand of fellowship to Beck and his followers. We have set the bar extremely high for
all protests on the federal government. In his choice of date and location, he is clearly holding
himself to a serious set of standards. Subject to eventual content of the program planned on this anniversary date, we should, in the tradition and legacy of Dr. King, welcome and extend a hand to him and all persons who are committed to social justice, equality and restoring the honor of America.

Those of us who are blessed by longevity and privileged to have played a strategic role in the success of our "March on Washington" at the Lincoln Memorial where Beck plans to assemble his followers should be especially proud of our efforts. It was through our example and those of more than 250,000 of our multiracial brothers and sisters that summoned our fellow citizens to restore our nation's honor and values upon which our country was founded.

The Lord works in mysterious ways, and he has wonders to perform. Accordingly, we extend the hand of fellowship to Beck, Palin and their followers this weekend, and ask them to symbolically join hands with us to recommit ourselves to Dr. King's "Dream."

Dr. King's niece is attending the rally, wow I didn't realize she was racist too...

To be honest, if Al Sharpton and his ilk are against it, then I'm all for it. He's one of the biggest racists in this country, and shames Dr. Martin Luther King's name.

Well, playing devil's advocate here, who says black people couldn't be racist against their own? It does happen. But that isn't the point. Beck is an idiot, and frankly I can't take him at his word no matter what he says. He's a television personality, with no substance. His castigation of the unemployed cemented it for me.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

Dr. King's niece is attending the rally, wow I didn't realize she was racist too...

Clearly you never heard of Uncle Ruckus.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates

Well, playing devil's advocate here, who says black people couldn't be racist against their own? It does happen. But that isn't the point. Beck is an idiot, and frankly I can't take him at his word no matter what he says. He's a television personality, with no substance. His castigation of the unemployed cemented it for me.

He can't be any worse than our President or the leaders of both Houses of Congress. I'd rate 99% of the Politicians in this country as morons as well as a good portion of the voters.

[james0246]

Does anyone have any legitimate numbers on the Beck rally yet? I know Beck claimed 300 to 500 thousand (and the pictures look like at least 100 thousand), but are there any new numbers out to verify the approximate number of attendees?

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by james0246

Does anyone have any legitimate numbers on the Beck rally yet? I know Beck claimed 300 to 500 thousand (and the pictures look like at least 100 thousnad), but are there any new numbers out to verify the approximate number of attendees?

A million. Or at least going by the number of morons.

[Jinto]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

my main point is that the US uses less credible intel, and kills many more civilians, and yet israel gets much more blame and is held to a higher standard that can't possibly be lived up to.

In my oppinion that is bullshit. I don't believe those high ratios the israeli forces claim. This does only work when you declare virtually everyone in Gaza a terrorist. Because targeted killing is not really targeted when we consider the weapons that are used. I am not saying Israel has no right to defend itself, but claiming such numbers is propaganda (like in Germany when they wanted tell the people the attack on the fuel transporters in Afghanistan killed mainly terrorists when in reality it killed almost exclusively civilians - that was also based on intel from an informant on the ground - the thing is, you can never trust those informants and their agendas).

And in the same style Hamas falsifies the numbers for their needs. So, at the end of the day the real number (ratio) is somewhere between what Hamas claims and what the Israeli forces claim.

Such statistics are always meant to safe the face of a state that is in an asymetric war with another state and to maintain support for the war from their own citizens (which have a hard time to tollerate high numbers of casualties of civilians... it does not matter if this place is called Israel, USA or Germany).

[Langknow]

On lighter news...

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2010/08/28/fan-expo.html

I'm a bit glad I didn't go this year... seems like a crazy line up ...

Here's a video of someone :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9e8m...ayer_embedded#!

Please note, she started half way from the front of the line...

Crazyiness...

[Last Sinner]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...us-ad-declined

Oh, for the love of...Seriously, Arizona is a joke. Cheap labour exploitation, trying to prevent people of certain backgrounds living there. And now this...if it was a cowgirl instead of an anime girl, I bet that ad would have been allowed. I do get that Arizona has a major gang problem and that a significant proportion of those gangs are Asian. But this is about as effective as throwing gasoline on the fire.

And on the topic of anti-immigration, the anti-Muslim party in the Dutch parliament looks set to have the balance of power. One wonders what will come of that.

[Vexx]

meta-comment: Usually if a news story springs this much of a discussion, someone moves it to its own thread. A fair amount of work... so it depends on how much longer the discussion will go.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Vexx

meta-comment: Usually if a news story springs this much of a discussion, someone moves it to its own thread. A fair amount of work... so it depends on how much longer the discussion will go.

The problem is, there is no real central point to this current discussion. It is purely political. I guess I could put it in the 44th President and 111th Congress thread, but maybe I should just bite the bullet and start a 2010 Election coverage thread (since much of what has been mentioned has dealt, in part, with candidates running in the upcoming US gubernatorial and congressional elections or various positions open for debate in the current run of elections)...actually that might be a good idea...

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by james0246

The problem is, there is no real central point to this current discussion. It is purely political. I guess I could put it in the 44th President and 111th Congress thread, but maybe I should just bite the bullet and start a 2010 Election coverage thread (since much of what has been mentioned has dealt, in part, with candidates running in the upcoming US gubernatorial and congressional elections)...actually that might be a good idea...

i would just go with political discussion thread. Not every discussion on politics has to do with the election.

[justsomeguy]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

As for interracial marriages, I don't think those laws prohibiting interracial marriage were constitutional to begin with. Leaving it up to the states doesn't mean they can go against the US constitution (though that has of course been the case for a long time now... which needs to change, as well).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_...Key_precedents
Wrong, those laws had been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court before they overturned it in 1948's Perez v. Sharp, and again in 1967.

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_...Key_precedents
Wrong, those laws had been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court before they overturned it in 1948's Perez v. Sharp, and again in 1967.

I'm not wrong. Just because it was upheld in the Supreme Court does not mean it is constitutional. Plenty of bullshit has been upheld in court during the history of this country.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i would just go with political discussion thread. Not every discussion on politics has to do with the election.

I opened a US Elections 2010 thread in order to discuss all materials concerning the upcoming election in the United States. Please direct all comments about the candidates, their policies, or issues being voted on to the new thread.

[justsomeguy]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

I'm not wrong. Just because it was upheld in the Supreme Court does not mean it is constitutional. Plenty of bullshit has been upheld in court during the history of this country.

Yes, but since the Supreme Court is responsible for deciding these matters, without someone to rule that something is unconstitutional then there is nothing to stop the states from going against the US Constitution. Note that the word "marriage" appears not once in the document, and is thus open to interpretation.

@mod: Can you move post 8856,8857,8859 to the US Elections 2010 thread?

[Mr. DJ]

Government using GPS to track your moves

Yeah...this is going to be interesting if the ruling never gets overturned...