Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[cnnydz]

Spoiler for 1:

lol i just knew this episode was going to end with pheles impaled. hecate and fecor next then

johan was sealed about half a year before this. so in fact she didn't consume POE for just over six months, i think

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Huh, I wonder why I thought it was longer.

[Proto]

Quite a good episode in my opinion. It's good that they try to explore the human side of the people of Guze. I don't know why so many people get so upset whenever there is not a fuzetsu set up, but personally this was quite an enjoyable episode for me. And yes, I have also enjoyed the rest of the season, including the so called slow episodes. So don't you people go around saying everyone has hated the 2nd season. I AM liking it. Thanks

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

Spoiler for 1:

lol i just knew this episode was going to end with pheles impaled. hecate and fecor next then

johan was sealed about half a year before this. so in fact she didn't consume POE for just over six months, i think

Johan was seal far more then few months.

That suite of armor guy form last season had the reigi maigo and he was around for a centuries.

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

Since marathoned the first season in one night, the experience of watching it in comparison to this one would obviously be different. For that reason, I can't exactly compare them hand-in-hand. However, I would say that in my opinion, not to generalize but the people who are complaining are overexaggerated... this season isn't as bad as people make it out to be whether or not it's not as good as the first season... The disappointment they get is probably withdrawed from anticipation for this season, or at least, that's what their posts seem to say... or at least, ThoHell's does.

Yeah, I think you hit it right on the spot. I'm not a season 2 hater; there are lots of good season 2 series. But the pacing of this one is a little frustrating. Ok, it was a refreshing episode in a sense, but haven't most (not all, there will always be exceptions), been like this. Something intense and dramatic for about 1-5 minutes total throughout most of the episodes then the rest is talk. The first episode I think of this season was pretty damn good and got my hopes up too high I guess for the following episodes. There is plenty of cliff hangers or shockers at the end of the episodes, but nothing to keep you on edge of your chair staring intensely at the screen or suspense through out the episode. But, anyways I'm hoping ep 15 will be good since the preview seemed awing.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Johan was seal far more then few months.

That suite of armor guy form last season had the reigi maigo and he was around for a centuries.

armor guy? who? silver?
he never had the reiji maigo

[Kinny Riddle]

First up: PHWOAR! Yoshida in nothing but her bra! (grabs plenty of tissue to reduce blood lost)

This original Hecate/Fumina thing is beginning to get interesting now, though it was never in the novels.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Johan was seal far more then few months.

That suite of armor guy form last season had the reigi maigo and he was around for a centuries.

Centuries? Did you not hear the characters speculating that Yuji's silvery flame had something to do with this Sabrac guy stuffing a mysterious spell inside the Reiji Maigo just after Pheles had stuffed Johann in there?

So at best, this Silver guy only begun to reside inside the Reiji Maigo from that point earliest. And according to the novels, Pheles lost the Reiji Maigo very recently, just after Yuji became a Mystes, which was some time before he met Shana.


Shiro (Shana's skeletal mentor in season 1) took the form of a skeleton, as that uses up less PoE than his human form, after promising Shana's predecessor Mathilda, whom he's madly in love with, that he'll never consume humans.

Pheles probably did something similar after parting with Johann, taking the form of a flowing wind, as this consumes less PoE than her solid physical form, until now.

[serenade_beta]

Spoiler for ep15 preview:

Yuuji wakes up from bed and realizes everything was a dream. He climbs out of bed and eats breakfast. He greets his childhood friend, Shana, on his way to school. But when he gets to school, the teacher was not Wilhelimina, but a new teacher named Senben.

I wish though...

Anyways...

Awakening

Pheles uses Margery, Shana, and even her sworn friend Wilhelmina through a puppet with nothing but conciousness, controlled by the Unrestricted Method "Revolving Ring of Wind"
Without putting any distance between him and her, to Yuuji... to her beloved Johann, she reaches out her hands.
But the arm that appeared out of Yuuji's chest was covered in silver flames.
The silver gradually becomes liquid and creeps out of Yuuji... not just the arm... but a head, a neck, and shoulders.
The ones watching this scene was not just Shana and co.
Far away, in a room in an old castle, a group of eyes was chillingly and meaningfully looking as well.
And then, a new existence appears to interrupt.
The silhouette that walks to the ultramarine, shining Unrestricted Method, is...

<--Black hole...

Spoiler for thoughts:

What color was Hecate's flame again...?

And the set of eyes must be Bel Peol...

[DX HBK]

Hecate's flame is a sea color blue or so. It showed that in season one.

Think they made last minute changes due to the drop in image quality?

[X10A_Freedom]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Not saying that these people's opinions are invalid or anything, but it seems to me that when ever a show gets a follow up, people usually cry that it isn't as good as the first season. Is this some kind of universal trend?

Personally there have only been about 3 bad episodes this season and like 4 mediocre, the rest have been good.

Well, season 1 was something like 60% battle and 40% slice in my head which was a good balance. Season 2 is more like 20% battle and 80% slice. The 40% slice in season 1 was inserted worked well to give the viewers a break from the heavy atmosphere. However, making Slice completely dominate a series with superpowers doesn't exactly work well in my opinion (There's ARIA and Minami-ke for quality slice).

The way some things are really being dragged in Season 2 (well, we got double the amount of slice than the novels due to Fumina) reminds me of the painful Las Vegas arc in the TV show Heroes.

Despite my complaints, I'm still following as there is still a chance for a turnaround.

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

There is Yuuji filling Pheles with his existance

Pheles: More Yuuji, More. Please fill me up

There are more ways to transfer power of existence than that. But I guess the producers have a way of playing things around.

I wonder what the Silver's music is going to be like. It seems dull to hear the choir type music all over again when Pheles showed up.

Think Pheles made a big mistake in her second attempt?

[DX HBK]

I REALLY wish that there was some anachronistic hip-hop music in any further slice-of-life scenarios.

Anymore characters that have yet to be introduced?

[mist2123]

That last scene is "JUST AS PLANNED "

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by X10A_Freedom

Well, season 1 was something like 60% battle and 40% slice in my head which was a good balance. Season 2 is more like 20% battle and 80% slice. The 40% slice in season 1 was inserted worked well to give the viewers a break from the heavy atmosphere. However, making Slice completely dominate a series with superpowers doesn't exactly work well in my opinion (There's ARIA and Minami-ke for quality slice).

The way some things are really being dragged in Season 2 (well, we got double the amount of slice than the novels due to Fumina) reminds me of the painful Las Vegas arc in the TV show Heroes.

Despite my complaints, I'm still following as there is still a chance for a turnaround.

I was just stating something in general about all anime. Yes, there has been an excessive amount of slice of life. The fact that we had some bad Konoe ones in the beginning is what is causing these slice of life episodes to look bad, but since I completely ignored those episodes I can enjoy these.

Ah, there shall be a huge turnaround in the future if it follows the novels I'm pretty sure.

[arkxkra]

this episode was not bad, i thought will having a relax episode until the end, but before the end to come with a such nice scene. nice cliff hanger.
the last part Pheles hit through the stomach, i was omg.
looking forward to next episode.

[DX HBK]

The real Pheles finally appears towards the end. So..they've been in company with a fake one all this time.

[Tormenk]

Well to disagree, Pheles past with Johan was a highlight for me as well. It was really nicely done and made me go "wow". Though the other parts are weaker in comparison and Yuji's still isn't showing much after 14 eps.

Dual twists are tasty. And more Pheles BGM is always good in my books. Though I just keep hearing Erio and Yoko in Pheles' true form.

[alvinkhorfire]

Originally Posted by piku

many detail and splendid description from novel are lost. read back novel 12 is recommend for interest.

Then, can we list the details at here as long as it is not spoiler? Why did earlier on Pheles push Yuji to fall down after she received power of existence from him? And, it seems that both Jiiya and Fumina remain motionless in the fuzetsu. I wonder how they set theirselves free. By removing the bracelet?

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

And, it seems that both Jiiya and Fumina remain motionless in the fuzetsu. I wonder how they set theirselves free. By removing the bracelet?

The bracelets could be set up to transform them to their true forms in certain conditions (Silver) and thus allow them to move.

[DX HBK]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

The bracelets could be set up to transform them to their true forms in certain conditions (Silver) and thus allow them to move.

Jiiya and Fumina are sure good sleeper cell elements.