2014-03-12, 14:15 | Link #4901 |
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The thing is that the Throne being separate from any universe doesn't really make sense. Someone who is a hero in one universe may not be in another, and the same person could become a hero in different ways.
Plus, Alaya and Gaia should be world-dependent (otherwise it wouldn't matter to them if one continuity got wiped out, because there are an infinite number more), and Alaya calls on Counter Guardians which are in the Throne or something similar, so it can't be that simple.
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2014-03-13, 07:55 | Link #4904 | |
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Then why bother sending Counter Guardians, or doing anything? Nothing they do makes any difference to the survival of humanity throughout all possible universes.
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2014-03-14, 09:53 | Link #4905 |
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The Heaven's Feel ritual reaches the Root by tracing the return path to the Throne of the fallen copies of the Heroic Spirit. In fact, if you check out Mahoyo, establishing "path" is always necessary if one wants to reach the Root. The Einzbern method just happens to be "follow the Heroic Spirit". Since there is only one Root among all universes, and the Throne is at the Root, the logical conclusion is that there is only one Throne.
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2014-03-14, 09:57 | Link #4906 |
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Guardians are not summoned by Akasha/Root. Guardians are summoned by Alaya. Alaya is not shared across universes, and each one is a distinct entity to that universe. Of course it's to its best interest to call in the Guardians when there is threat.
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2014-03-14, 14:10 | Link #4907 | |
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I thought I remembered you arguing the opposite.... Hang on, so CGs are shared between all the different versions of Alaya? How does CG contract-making (Archer, for example) work, then?
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2014-03-15, 02:23 | Link #4908 | |
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As a result, Shirou #34456346 was plucked out of the multi-verse, put into the Throne, and labelled as "Alaya's bitch". So now all versions of Alaya from all versions of universe gets to take Shirou #34456346 for a spin. Now the question that will really bake your noodles is, how many Heroic Spirit Shirous are there in the Throne? |
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2014-03-15, 04:19 | Link #4909 |
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I suppose in this case, it'd be just one. If he exists outside of time, there's no limit to how often he can be dispatched. This way the one Shirou also gets all of the experience, which he requires a lot of to be useful. You'd rather have one strong Shirou than offer a bunch of miracles in exchange for a bunch of weak Shirous.
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2014-03-15, 07:32 | Link #4910 | |
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I think there are probably almost an infinite amount of versions of a counter guardian or a heroic-spirit in the Throne of Heroes. Experience for a CG wouldn't really be a problem because if there are almost an infinite universe there is a good change a CG will be picked to fight in one of those universes and gain experience. Last edited by chaos_alfa; 2014-03-15 at 15:08. |
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2014-03-16, 06:22 | Link #4912 |
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What year does fate/stay night take place in? Fate/zero had seemingly-modern laptops and was 10 years prior to fate/stay night, so I'm guessing it's 2010-ish, but does it mention somewhere exactly what years it takes place in
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2014-03-16, 12:42 | Link #4915 |
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It's not speculation, F/SN happened in the year it was released and that was in 2004. Fate/Zero was 10 years earlier, so it's 1994 ( you can see Welvet holding 1995 atlas, and back then atlas was printing for following year ).
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2014-03-16, 16:49 | Link #4916 |
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I don't think it's officially-stated when it takes place, but the 1995 atlas in Zero does imply that it took place sometime around 1995, yes. Assuming it is canon, anyway, which isn't 100% clear.
However, Zero definitely occurs around winter, and I can't imagine they would be printing a 1995 atlas in early 1994, so Zero must be either late 1994 or early 1995 on that basis. And, since we know that FSN occured in early February (the date is given in the VN), that means that FSN would surely have to be 2005.
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2014-03-16, 18:04 | Link #4917 |
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Well, FSN was released in January/February 2004. And inside the game itself you could clearly see it was wintertime. Shirou by one chance even said that the snow was falling and that he was stepping on it footnaked. So FSN game date would be February 2004.
Besides, Fate/Zero winter could very well be in November or December of 1994. That would make sense for 1995 atlas. The event was 10 years apart but nobody said exactly 10 years, date by date or month by month. |
2014-03-16, 18:16 | Link #4918 |
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A better indicator of dates (for months) is how at the beginning of each day, it said what day it was, so that's not really an issue to discuss at all.
But no one would round 9 years 2 months up to 10 years. Either the Atlas released near the beginning of 1994, of FSN takes place in 2005 (if one were to take that as the go-to for when Fate/Zero takes place). |
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