2008-08-25, 01:14 | Link #1841 |
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On the topic of Obama, it is hard for me to understand exactly why European countries would like Obama. Mccain's politics are more in line with their interests no? Obama is going to raise tariffs, Mccain isn't for example. The Iraq war is here to stay despite what Obama may like or think.
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2008-08-25, 01:44 | Link #1842 | |
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Besides, we(Military) is stretched out as it is, and what is going on in Russia and other places in the world, we cant stay in Iraq, then shuffed off to a another country on a whim with enlistment of all the U.S. Military services is at all-time lows. You will have some tired and beaten military personnel that have to go to a another war after this one.
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2008-08-25, 03:01 | Link #1843 |
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So I saw a news article that said Hillary Clinton is planning on turning over all of her delegates to Barack Obama in the coming weeks. Apparently, she hopes that this will cement a permanent spot for her in the Democratic party. What she hopes to accomplish with that "permanent" spot, one can only speculate, but she wants to be permanent.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...5/CVN.Clinton/
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I think, the only thing Clinton may want to work on is to succeed the issues concerning the health care. And, I believe Obama should help her do that. |
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2008-08-25, 12:37 | Link #1846 | ||
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Also, her supporters (and maybe her) seem to feel that she is entitled something even though she lost the nomination. This is probably in there with the stupidest sticking points I've ever heard of in politics. Every single word she says during the convention is going to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Obama and Clinton camps are already fighting in secret. |
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2008-08-25, 13:17 | Link #1847 | ||
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pelosi and dean needs to easy up on the Clinton camp, if they force a break with the Clintons, they can cripple the Dem for the next 10 years.
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2008-08-25, 14:06 | Link #1849 |
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Can someone please explain to me how Clinton was supposedly shafted?
update; I can see what Fipskuul said about Obama advocates being Anti Hilary without good reason. I'm against that. But unfortunetly, if that's what major public sentiment is (or more importantly if thats the most primary feeling resulting in how the voting turned out) then the "people have spoken". It's like how in Metro Detroit, the action news channel did a story on the low voter turnout (20% or less) in the primary for local legislative races, and those votes primarily by those are strongly right or left. By the time the primary is voted on, essentially it's a clear cut window to who the winner will be. If that affects the race or result for the worst (due to people making stupdi choices or sitting on their hands and not voting), what can you do? I can see how some people say that Obama recieved more attention in the media, but he has many qualities that are more conducive to being more media friendly, like how Reagan did many years ago or JFK did before that. But it's not like Clinton was very margnilized in the media in terms of air time. Maybe pundits made too much reference to her being a woman or whatever, but people shouldn't pay so much attention to those talking heads on cable news anyways; they mull over minutae far too much sometimes. Plus while I respect some women's right to be angry, I don't get this whole "if Hilary doesn't get it; I'm voting for McCain." If you vote for Hilary just for being a woman, that's silly. And if you vote for McCain (on the polar opposite of many Hilary stances) just cause you're angry, if you get shafted by his admin's policies; then shame on you. It's just illogical. |
2008-08-25, 14:12 | Link #1850 | |
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They should have shut thier mouth and let the nomination run its course and not try to end it early.
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2008-08-25, 14:50 | Link #1852 | ||
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2008-08-25, 20:54 | Link #1853 | |
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2008-08-25, 23:37 | Link #1855 |
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Today is the start of the DNC in Denver.
It was a very good first day with Michelle Obama stole the show with her words about family and why her husband should be the next President of the United States, she even gave some props to HRC for her performance in the primaries. I think that she did a awesome job doing that (even know that there was a alot of bitching from the Media about Demo not tying to put down McCain and Bush tonight). Also Ted Kennedy was there with a nice and powerful speech tonight. Tomorrow is HRC on Center Stage, what would she do?
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2008-08-25, 23:44 | Link #1856 |
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Obama's attack on McCain's inability to say how many houses he owns doesn't win points from me. In fact, it makes me wonder what his point was in that one. To show how stupid McCain really is? That's rather immature. When do we start hearing them question each other's VIEW in important matters like oh, say... Iraq, oil and the fact that the US is pretty much in a depression of sorts? There's more other important issues to discuss other than the fact that one of the candidates is refusing to answer how many houses he owns.
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2008-08-26, 00:03 | Link #1857 |
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It wasn't that McCain refused to answer... he honestly didn't know. You're too young to remember (but may have read about) the George Bush, Sr moment where he was befuddled by a laser scanner in a grocery store (and later lost the campaign).
It shows just how out of touch with the middle class and the poor these guys are. Having that moment during a major housing meltdown just ignited what otherwise might have slipped by. So couple that lack of empathy with the vast middle of America (McCain's economics advisor Phil Gramm called Americans a "bunch of whiners") with McCain's repeated demonstration of just how clueless he is about the geopolitics of the Middle East, the real reasons for the improvements in Iraq (hint: the surge was only a small part) and his total misreading of the Russian/Georgian situation..... why is anyone even considering McCain? Sometimes its the little moments that decide an election though..... like a house count or a scanner.
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2008-08-26, 00:31 | Link #1859 |
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Vexx, could you explain how McCain hasn't demonstrated knowledge of Middle East Geo Politics, or point me to some evidence.
Cause i've been devouring media coverage and while I havent heard him be ASTUTE on the subject, I havent seen him be completely ignorant either. Both candidates have lost points from me cause they are playing the mean spirited game of US politics, out of short term political necessity and not out of reason or morals. |
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