Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (take 3)

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

It wont feel forced if you follow all the small details. Not to mention the two near kisses in three episodes.
He saw how bashful she became with the bunny girl outfit. He did the gentlemanly thing and gave her his jacket.
When Kallen was captured it was Lelouch of all people on the Ikaruga who panicked and called out to her. His outburst to her shocked everyone. Even C.C. He risked near defeat to get her back.
He was enraged when he knew Suzaku had taken her.
Kallen did get a mention from Lelouch in just about every preview since her capture. If not in the regular preview it was in the extended. I remember the extended preview for episode 18. He hollered out that he would save Nunnally and Kallen. I'm not good at Japanese, but it sounds like he says something separate about Nunnally then Kallen. It does sound like he says he will save Kallen. This is when he thought Suzaku betrayed him and he sounds PISSED. It was later translated for me that he says "I must save Kallen!".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtgXboQtypg

Lelouch apologized to Kallen for not coming sooner. He told her he was pleased she was alright. He's hardly been one to express gratitude or apologies in the past.

Kallen was willing to die with Lelouch. She pleaded with him to tell her what she meant to him. Her line "Come on! Please, tell me!". He lied to her to break her heart and save her life. He had no idea Rolo was going to show up and rescue him. He could of just let her walk off and let her hate him after his death, but once she was clear of the fire he whispered to her what he thought was his last words, "Kallen, you must live on.". He wanted her to understand him at least.

I wouldn't call any of that forced or sudden.

Look at the episode summary for the episode Emperor Lelouch. You'd think with that name the picture that would go along with it would be of Lelouch. On several summaries of this coming episode the picture is of Kallen. Despite her name not even being mentioned in the summary or episode title.
The episode summary from the same magazine for the previous episode had a picture of Marianne. The summary never mentioned her, but as we know her character played a large role in the events of that episode.

Near accidental kisses do not equal romantic feeling on Lelouch's fault it means accidents, it could very well be Tanaguchi teasing the fans. As you said it was the gentlemanly thing to do any proper Gentleman would've done it it show no romantic fellings on Leouch's part. Of course he called out for her he cares for he just like he cares for all his friends from Ashford. You also have to realize that this was right after hius resolve changed from making a peaceful world for nunnally to making a kind and peaceful world for all that are important to him including the Ashford gang(which Karen is part of in Lelouch's mind).

I don't really understand what the extended turn 18 preview said either. All I can make out is something about despair and him mentioning Karen and Nunnally's names.

Her willing to die with Lelouch shows her romantic interest toward him. He didn;t lie to break her heart though(Infact taking into account how thick Lelouch is in matters such as love. He probably still doesnt realize she loves him) He lied to her to protect her because he cared for her just like he cares for all his friends. We still can't tell if he actually wanted her to hear him or if he was just speaking out loud.

I still don't see naything definitve of very important or big that would succeed in not making it feel forced/rushed.

Didn't the the episode 19 summary have Charles as the picture and he didn't have anything important to do with the episode.

If you want to continue discussing this could you please make the next post int he romance thread and i'll respond to it tommorow. I have to get going now. I'm also sorry that the grammar and spelling may be off and that this post is rather a late response. My browser crashed two times resulting in me rewriting it twice and I had to rush while writing it this time. sorry.

Also could you please respond tot he question I asked in your profile board. Thanks

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

Not the novel again...
Unbelievable yeah. Because that's the novel writer's overboard imaginations.

The novels, be it the Stage/Turn series or the KoR one on The Snicker, are AU. Fun to read but not some super secret revealing device.
Taniguchi said the material on other media (manga, novel, game) has to be different to be fun. The novel is just pretending to be a supplement material. It's canon-wannbe. The Stage/Turn novels just got slapped hard in Turn 20.

The KoR novel was close enough, but after Turn 21, many contradictions appear.

Spoiler for novel:

For one, Marianne may be crazy trying to slience the world, and maybe her care isn't too deep and is off in methods, but at least she cares for her children. However, in the novel she is crazy enough to let people feel that she will directly harm them.
- .... Bismarck snatched up little Lelouch in his arms, "Marianne-sama, what were you trying to do?"
- .... Upon her mother's smile, baby Nunnally shivers with fear. As a baby she can't move nor speak. So she just silently lies in her nanny's arm, staring back to her mother with her clear eyes.

The novel's description about Anya weeping (without knowing why herself) when she's on a KMF the same design as Ganymede doesn't bond well either. Why would Marianne cry on Ganymede? Tears of joy? "Yay i can finally do some killing with this baby again"?

The novel says Marianne was the one who slauthered the previous Knight of One in a sword duel during Charles's coup d'État. It's her, not Bismarck. Now Suzaku got owned by Bismarck in sword battle. Novel version Marianne would have wiped the floor with him when he tried to stop her in SoA.

The novel gone really far in describing Marianne as a crazy bloody *****.

*Shrugs*


Thanks before I make a fool of myself by actually doing some serious reading. Good thing I borrowed the book instead of buying it



Who says that Lelouch and Kallen will talk about their "promise" made on Ikaruga during their meeting at Ashford? We might see a rerun of C.C. interrupting again with pizza

[Charred Knight]

I can see Code Geass ending several ways

The Happy ending
Lelouch defeats Schneizel but sees that by abadoning morals he has no right to be King, and gives Nunnaly the throne

The Sword of Truth ending
Lelouch defeats Schneizel and becomes Emperor and shows the world the way of peace, by abandoning honor, and morals, (sending a horrible message that only by abandoning our good side can we find peace) just like Richard Rahl from the novel series "Sword of Truth", the man who slaughters evil pacifist who don't have moral clarity, kills deserters, and abandons his army because they don't deserve him. Naturally, he ends up creating a whole new world for his followers thats much better than the old one because his Richard Rahl objectivist hero.

Everyone Dies
Lelouch becomes the Demon King, and causes a war that kills everyone.

The Gundam Seed Destiny ending
Xingke, Ougi, Kallen, and Todoh come crawling back leaving Schneizel with only a hostage, a bunch of Elite Mooks, a super weapon, and a resulting battle that is a one sided slaughter just like the ending to Gundam Seed Destiny. The sword of truth ending now commences. This is by far the worst ending

Lelouch Dies
Similar to the happy ending but Lelouch dies, showing what a flawed, and tragic figure he was.

[ApostleOfGod]

I wonder if Orange would betray Lulu after finding out that Lulu "killed" Marianne.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

I can see Code Geass ending several ways

The Happy ending
Lelouch defeats Schneizel but sees that by abadoning morals he has no right to be King, and gives Nunnaly the throne

The Sword of Truth ending
Lelouch defeats Schneizel and becomes Emperor and shows the world the way of peace, by abandoning honor, and morals, (sending a horrible message that only by abandoning our good side can we find peace) just like Richard Rahl from the novel series "Sword of Truth", the man who slaughters evil pacifist who don't have moral clarity, kills deserters, and abandons his army because they don't deserve him. Naturally, he ends up creating a whole new world for his followers thats much better than the old one because his Richard Rahl objectivist hero.

Everyone Dies
Lelouch becomes the Demon King, and causes a war that kills everyone.

The Gundam Seed Destiny ending
Xingke, Ougi, Kallen, and Todoh come crawling back leaving Schneizel with only a hostage, a bunch of Elite Mooks, a super weapon, and a resulting battle that is a one sided slaughter just like the ending to Gundam Seed Destiny. The sword of truth ending now commences. This is by far the worst ending

Lelouch Dies
Similar to the happy ending but Lelouch dies, showing what a flawed, and tragic figure he was.

Dude Nunnally is dead. Do you know what dead means?

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by Freya

Dude Nunnally is dead. Do you know what dead means?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=23294

^Read the above please.

[Jestersage]

^ I, however, foresee the Metal gear Solid 3/Portable ops ending, in which that Suzaku, Lelouch, Kallen, and possibly some other people formed some kind of secrety society that controlled the world.

The reason is that the entire R2 is mainly about truth and lies, and depend on one manipulate these will ended up either helping or hurting. Ep 21 basically affirmed that lies are sometimes necessary, and with suzaku finally accept Lelouch's way of thinking, what to say that we won't have them making the lies even bigger?

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Freya

Dude Nunnally is dead. Do you know what dead means?

yeah sorry to burst your bubble.

Edit:
Damn was beaten to it.

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by Freya

Dude Nunnally is dead. Do you know what dead means?

Freya, this crushed Dream Traveller and me also. It's been released that she's still alive. Some spoiler said that "Schneizel will use Nunnally against Lelouch"

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=23294

[Koshimizu]

Looking back at the old TV magazine clips I have, the characters they pick for the week are:

Turn 12 [Love Attack] - Milly
Turn 13 [Assassin From the Past] - Shirley
Turn 14 [Geass Hunt] - V.V.
Turn 15 [The World of C] - Charles, C.C., Lelouch.
Turn 17 [The Taste of dirt] - Suzaku
Turn 17 & 18 (another mag) - Suzaku. The pic shows Suzaku & Gino but description points out "Suzaku (left)". Is it so hard to find a pic of him alone? XD
Turn 18 [2nd Tokyo Battle] - Nunnally
Turn 19 [Betrayel] - Schenizel
Turn 20 [Emperor Disqualification] - Charles
Turn 21 [Connection of Ragnarok] - Lelouch (monthly magazine), Marianne (The Television Weekly).

Up to now, looks like there's a pattern of showing the character in spotlight for that episode.

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

Freya, this crushed Dream Traveller and me also. It's been released that she's still alive. Some spoiler said that "Schneizel will use Nunnally against Lelouch"

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=23294

also here: http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/09/02/r2-23-summary/

[etothex]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Who says that Lelouch and Kallen will talk about their "promise" made on Ikaruga during their meeting at Ashford? We might see a rerun of C.C. interrupting again with pizza

we have bets going on for who interrupts them:
Rivalz;
Arthur stealing suzaku's pen; (ala ep 5)
Arthur stealing Lelouch's fabulous Emperor hat;
*adds CC and Pizza to the list*

how about an obsessed zombie-Shirley? *Lelou-is-mine"
Or Milly jumping in and proclaiming "I get to be waifu #1"!!!

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Witacume

yeah sorry to burst your bubble.

Edit:
Damn was beaten to it.

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

Freya, this crushed Dream Traveller and me also. It's been released that she's still alive. Some spoiler said that "Schneizel will use Nunnally against Lelouch"

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=23294

Lies I tell you!

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

Looking back at the old TV magazine clips I have, the characters they pick for the week are:

Turn 12 [Love Attack] - Milly
Turn 13 [Assassin From the Past] - Shirley
Turn 14 [Geass Hunt] - V.V.
Turn 15 [The World of C] - Charles, C.C., Lelouch.
Turn 17 [The Taste of dirt] - Suzaku
Turn 17 & 18 (another mag) - Suzaku. The pic shows Suzaku & Gino but description points out "Suzaku (left)". Is it so hard to find a pic of him alone? XD
Turn 18 [2nd Tokyo Battle] - Nunnally
Turn 19 [Betrayel] - Schenizel
Turn 20 [Emperor Disqualification] - Charles
Turn 21 [Connection of Ragnarok] - Lelouch (monthly magazine), Marianne The TV Weekly).

Up to now, looks like there's a pattern of showing the character in spotlight for that episode.

Wow, it definitely follows that pattern. Never noticed that before.

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

Looking back at the old TV magazine clips I have, the characters they pick for the week are:

Turn 12 [Love Attack] - Milly
Turn 13 [Assassin From the Past] - Shirley
Turn 14 [Geass Hunt] - V.V.
Turn 15 [The World of C] - Charles, C.C., Lelouch.
Turn 17 [The Taste of dirt] - Suzaku
Turn 17 & 18 (another mag) - Suzaku. The pic shows Suzaku & Gino but description points out "Suzaku (left)". Is it so hard to find a pic of him alone? XD
Turn 18 [2nd Tokyo Battle] - Nunnally
Turn 19 [Betrayel] - Schenizel
Turn 20 [Emperor Disqualification] - Charles
Turn 21 [Connection of Ragnarok] - Lelouch (monthly magazine), Marianne The TV Weekly).

Up to now, looks like there's a pattern of showing the character in spotlight for that episode.

Meaning, Kallen might get some Giggidy-Giggidy with Lelouch?!?!? JK
But seriously, this ep will make up for the stolen screen time from Kallen in the past few episodes.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Freya

Lies I tell you!

Would official sources other than the correlative chart lie to you?

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by Freya

Lies I tell you!

also here: http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/09/02/r2-23-summary/

I'm sry, I was a fanatic "Nunnally is dead" person too. So was Dream Traveller, but we were beaten to the ground I tell ya.

[Freya]

What does the "official website" say now? Nunnally=alive?

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by Freya

What does the "official website" say now? Nunnally=alive?

Dead still. Official sources usually won't reveal something huge in a plot like that though.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

also here: http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/09/02/r2-23-summary/

I'm sry, I was a fanatic "Nunnally is dead" person too. So was Dream Traveller, but we were beaten to the ground I tell ya.

I wouldn't be too sure about that one... need I bring up Narona's Nunnally's tragedy GIF?