2010-07-21, 04:19 | Link #14381 |
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Jessica's asthma is bad enough that I actually suggested pepper spray to make her choke as a murder method in episode 2. That and it's easier to imagine that Shannon would chose a method like that instead of well...stabbing her in the back.
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2010-07-21, 04:24 | Link #14383 |
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It wouldn't be any more torturous than choking on your own blood from a stab to the lungs. It's just easier for me to imagine she'd use a method like that instead of actually physically attacking her best friend.
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2010-07-21, 08:12 | Link #14385 |
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Why "downstream" should mean the past?
Downstream is the natural flow of a river, so it should rather symbolize the natural flow of time, not the reverse. Anyway where does this reasoning bring us? It seems a dead end to me. what would the key be, and how would you use it proceed further?
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2010-07-21, 08:30 | Link #14386 |
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The "why were they all girls" line would perhaps be a hint, if Rudolf weren't reacting the way he was. Rudolf wouldn't be wailing about Battler if it weren't his own son, even if he knows who the "Other Battler" is. So it's probably not a translation error so much as an ambiguous line, and Hideyoshi meant "why were all of them [except Battler] women?"
That said, nothing is ever specifically said of Jessica in red in ep6, I believe.
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2010-07-21, 09:23 | Link #14390 |
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Now that I think about it, similar things happened before:
Eva in EP2 "I am proud of you, my only son. I want to make you grow so that you will never be embarrassed no matter where you go. ...And you are the only grandson to carry Father's blood." Jessica also in EP2 "Even though we've finally gathered all the cousins together after six years." It seems that Ryukishi has a habit of making the characters make imprecise affirmations.
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Because this scene is dated during Battler's absence, and as Battler is not in the Ushiromiya family register, George is literally "the only grandson" of Kinzo -- Jessica, Maria and Ange are granddaughters. A few paragraphs later, Eva corrects herself anyway: "George is the eldest grandson carrying Father's blood."
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2010-07-21, 10:36 | Link #14393 | |
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2010-07-21, 14:15 | Link #14394 |
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You know, now that I look back at Episode 1, Krauss seems suspicious. Why would he change the night shifts for the servants? Its explained that he wants the emblem- marked servants out the mansion because he was suspicious of them, but now that I think about it, its just too perfect. Out of the emblem- marked servants, only Shannon was attacked and she was killed with half of her face beaten to unrecognition. That, along with the fact that Krauss' death was in the same manner. If anything, it seems that Krauss plotted something with the emblem servants being major players.
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2010-07-21, 14:58 | Link #14396 | |
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Re-reading Episode 6, I think I might've hit upon something regarding Battler's sin. I was reading the duel scene between Shannon and Kanon, where Beato's complaining to Zepar and Furfur about the unfairness of the trial, when one of their lines caught me:
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So what if Battler's sin wasn't actually something like promising to rescue someone on a white pony? What if it was falling into a mutual love with one a piece of furniture? If we're to assume no other furniture servants who might've been on the island six years ago are important, then the only one who fits this place would be Shannon. |
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If this leads you anywhere go with it, it might lead to something better than pony theory. Which is pretty much dead at this point.
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2010-07-21, 15:50 | Link #14400 |
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Again though: Furniture isn't furniture in the immediate sense; that is, even if you believe "furniture" to represent something else (a character, a separate personality, a particular worldview), anyone Battler would have sinned against is still a human being. I see nothing especially sinful in Battler's flashbacks or even in those of Beatrice's creator. Regretful, yes. Remembering sadly but fondly, yes. But neither of them thinks it's wrong.
I suppose you can turn the "not between Battler and Beatrice" on its ear and suggest that the person sinned against was a witness to the "sinful" relationship. Problem is the best setups for that don't work very well; even if Kanon is real, he wasn't around six years ago, so he's not the one feeling indignant and wronged over furniture-love. And I don't think it works for Kinzo because, ultimately, Kinzo is the one who treats furniture most normally, if we buy his interactions with Kanon, Genji, and 1967-Beatrice.I wouldn't put it past... Krauss.
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