2007-06-25, 14:46 | Link #881 | |
Dansa med oss
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I once remarked that a cell phone was driving down the street (confused 警察 (けいさつ) with 携帯 (けいたい)). Everyone in the car had a good laugh over it, and I never did it again. Life goes on even if you screw up. Plus, if they're native Japanese who are now living in America, they had to learn English and likely made their share of weird mistakes themselves, so they'll understand. A language mistake I read about on a blog I have since lost the link to: Spoiler for length:
So... yeah. Whatever language mistake you might make, someone out there has probably done better (or worse, depending), so don't sweat it - just learn and move on. |
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2007-06-25, 16:56 | Link #883 | |
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A classmate of mine had said he "wants to sleep with 100-year old women" instead of what he meant, which was that he "wants to sleep with 100 women"... that mistake was made in my first semester. I don't mind my mistakes so much because it *does* make people laugh, and I think it helps break barriers down between you and whoever's laughing. I don't think I would've gotten to know a lot of my classmates if none of us had made any mistakes - we've all laughed at each other. Edit: Thanks to WanderingKnight and Mueti... I think I get the difference now. |
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2007-06-28, 09:20 | Link #885 |
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I use Kanji Flashcards as well, and I find them very useful. I don't know how good the ones you can buy are since I write mine myself. It provides a bit of writing practice and I can layout them, decide on what to put where and how. It takes quite a bit of time of course but in my opinion it's well worth it.
I don't really like the programs simulating the cards but that's just personal preference.
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2007-06-28, 09:56 | Link #887 | |
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Writing it will not only help you recognize it with greater ease, but will ensure that you don't have the experience of "I could read it, but I couldn't write it." |
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2007-06-28, 10:04 | Link #889 | |
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But of course you're right, writing is the best way to learn kanji. Whenever I go through my cards I do it with pen and paper at hand and write all kanji down a few times.
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2007-06-28, 11:10 | Link #890 | |
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Kyuusai sounds like he knows a lot about Japanese ne. Bombard him with questions!
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As for myself, I have both kanji flashcards and I practice writing them as well. My flashcards were kind of expensive, but very nice... I still recommend doing as Mueti did and write your own, though. It'll save money and give you practice writing them. (When you first start out writing kanji, don't worry. They're GOING to look weird; it can't be helped. With practice you'll be able to fit them into a nice even square area.) No matter what you do, practice writing them! I find the most useful (and non-boring ) way for me is to find a paragraph in my grammar book and copying it straight from the book. Learn each kanji as you write it, and read the paragraph *out loud*... You have to be able to pronounce each character as well as understand it (for instance, I can read a lot of kanji.... I know a lot of meanings, but I can't pronounce them!). Then if you get tired, quit and write the paragraph again the next day. Then the next day, then the next day. I find this to be one of the most effective ways of learning kanji and grammar at the same time (of course, it's even more effective if you write the paragraph a few times in one day before quitting). |
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2007-06-28, 12:15 | Link #891 | ||
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I think this is another good opportunity to mention James Hesig's Remembering the Kanji. Even if his style of kanji study isn't suited for you, reading his book can give some insight on how to absorb and learn the information in your own way. I'm personally not following his book, but I'm using what I've learned from it to structure a unique kanji study course that I think will be optimal for learning kanji fast and with good recall. (I'll let every one know how that goes once I've gotten somewhere with that, and if it went well, will explain more.) Quote:
Heck, I never claimed to be a competent one. I can't be held responsible for you misjudging me. Last edited by Kyuusai; 2007-06-28 at 12:40. |
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2007-06-28, 13:39 | Link #892 | |
Dansa med oss
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I've been using a similar method (I called it "spelling kanji) since before I knew who he was, so I never bit onto his stuff. The method is one of the most effective and much less laborious than writing it repeatedly (though you should write it a few times anyway), and, when using the proper definitions of the radicals, the most informative and enlightening that I've found. I used flashcards to memorize jouyou 1, and that sucked. I recommend flashcards be used for reinforcing what you've learned rather than your primary basis for study. Different things work for different people, though, so this is just what's worked for me. |
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2007-06-28, 14:01 | Link #893 | |
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I recommend it primarily to give perspective on the learning process. You're right about the mistakes being present. They are in any work, but the nature of these makes them particularly awkward. Any one actually using his book as a study plan should seek out errata. |
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2007-06-28, 14:17 | Link #894 |
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Heisig is trying to maximize his sales by offering something that can be used by both chinese and japanese studiers. I have the books but mostly use them for an occasional reference.
Stupidly, I've actually done better with a book that teaches the kanji in the order that japanese schools teach them to elementary kids. Given the target audience for some of the manga I read, the kanji they use is going to have a high match rate to what they teach at that level. "A Guide to Remembering Japanese Characters" by Henshall
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2007-06-28, 17:32 | Link #895 |
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Hi Guys
Hi guys. My name is Mas. I thought I could make a little contribution here.
I've been in this forum since 2004. It's been a while since I posted my last reply. I hope some of you guys know me (although it must be a rare case) Anyway, questions are welcome. I always have thought that we don't have many native Japanese people in this forum...so I try to hop in here a bit frequently. I've been teaching Japanese in England for last 5 years, since high school time and should be able to help you guys a bit. I also found out that there are so many people in the world who think about learning Japanese, but don't because they can't find any Japanese schools around. It's a shame that Japanese teachers are not there in many places. Last edited by Mas; 2007-06-28 at 17:55. |
2007-06-29, 11:18 | Link #896 |
Oniai loveru!
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yeah, Japaneses is a very likable language to learn right now i know how to speak Japaneses kinda but i cant read it at all i mean the symbols if anyone could i would love to join a online class to learn Japaneses and get to be fluent in it ^_^ right now i have watched 200+ series in raw/subbed trying to learn from that it has worked sum what but i still would love to get better at it ^_^ so when ever just pm me and well talk ok ^-^ oh and about names how can we find out how to say hour names in Japaneses and all that ^-^ right now the only language in fluent in is english cues that my main language and then my second would have to be Japanese but im stumbling in that lol so i hope ill be able to learn then fast i know im a fast learner ^-^
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2007-06-29, 14:11 | Link #897 | |
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Unfortunately, a lot of it has to do with you studying by yourself... we won't be of much help trying to teach you how to pronounce all of the kana, for instance - that's more something that you'd learn faster by looking online for a chart and reading a guide on how to pronounce the kana. Many sites even have little sound icons you can click and it'll spurt out a voice pronouncing it for you. But if you have specific questions about Japanese (*not* "how do you pronounce all the kana", but something like "what's the difference between 'kaeru' and 'iku'"), this would be a good thread to post your question in. |
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2007-07-01, 02:45 | Link #898 |
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I found something interesting, "Toypography":
http://www.kokuyo.co.jp/hiramekitoys/toypography/ It's a children's toy - you rearrange the shapes that make up English words and turn them into kanji. I'm not sure if the aim is to learn English words or kanji, but it's neat anyways... though I'm also unsure if children would actually learn anything from it (and get a load of the price! Yeesh!). And heck, I'm not even positive this goes in this thread, but Kyuusai said it does, so it's his fault if I'm wrong. |
2007-07-01, 05:16 | Link #899 |
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awesome thread. I have one suggestion thou, the original poster should go back to the first post and add the pronunciations of the romanji. When i first started learning it was really annoying to try and say a word over and over again just to find out i was saying it wrong.
I've yet to take Japanese very far, but i wanted to this summer... and i will atleast start by reading through all the pages of this thread xD... I wonder how much i can get from 40 some odd pages o.o. |
2007-07-01, 14:36 | Link #900 | |
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If "Un! Daijoubu!" is "Yes! I'm ok!," then how do you say you are not ok? |
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