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HasuMasu · 2013-04-20, 04:43

What, this thing is still alive?

Vexx · 2013-04-20, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasumi

What, this thing is still alive?

It, its children, it's cousins and nieces and nephews. This is a never-ending battle, which is why the EFF and the ACLU keep attracting followers over this matter. The "thought dominators" and "we want to see in your pants" people have great lobbyists - the rest of us are like cats who have trouble organizing.

AnimeFan188 · 2013-04-20, 19:56

Apparently, it works the same way in Russia:

Do It For The Children:

"As expected, a new Russian law allowing the government to block Internet traffic
considered (by government censors) to be a danger to children is being used to
block foreign criticism of the Russian government and the growing use of police
state practices."

"Putin has noted how troublesome Internet activity can be. Over the last few
years the government has been pushing Internet censorship almost as
aggressively as China. This is done mainly to cripple the Russian Internet
community that has taken the lead in spotlighting corruption and government
inefficiency. This censorship campaign is all for the children, of course."

See:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hti.../20130420.aspx

AnimeFan188 · 2013-04-21, 19:17

Reddit Cofounder Calls on Google’s Larry Page to Oppose CISPA:

"The cofounder of the popular social news site Reddit has called on the leaders of
Google, Facebook and Twitter to help defeat a controversial cybersecurity bill that
would compromise the privacy of their users if passed by lawmakers."

See:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...opposes-cispa/

flying ^ · 2013-04-21, 19:22

... you know why it's too quiet out there in the real world~

The truth is, web culture is far more attached to the free flow of information than notions of individualism. The web is founded on interdependence, innovation, and discovery. These are the values that ignite the passions of those who create (and control) the World Wide Web. Civil liberties are a concern, but don’t trigger the same sense of urgency. Privacy, ownership, sovereignty, expression, and choice, will all be overshadowed by transparency, sharing, global citizenship, and wisdom.

Government watchdog groups can try to spark protest all they want, but the actions of the Internet community has already spoken: civil liberties are not a priority

..........

http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/14/why...-surveillance/

Kyuu · 2013-04-21, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasumi

What, this thing is still alive?

Well, of course. These assholes will never give up. They'll just come back with similar things under different names and acronyms. It's try-try-try again, until those interested control the channels of information. Whoever controls information controls politics.

As for CISPA, Obama is threatening veto. So, if it gets that far, the bill is as good as dead.

GDB · 2013-04-21, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

As for CISPA, Obama is threatening veto. So, if it gets that far, the bill is as good as dead.

Unless they then veto his veto.

flying ^ · 2013-04-21, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

Well, of course.
As for CISPA, Obama is threatening veto. So, if it gets that far, the bill is as good as dead.

CISPA is now 50% more popular among democrat house reps than last year. I predict many swingvotes in the Senate and it could go either way.

Ithekro · 2013-04-21, 19:42

That requires 2/3 of the House and Senate to counter the President's veto.

The National Defense Act from a year or two ago was not vetoed because it would have been pointless with 99 out of 100 Senators voting for it and something like 3/4 of the House for it. That and the majority of the Act was for funding the military as per normal.

Flying Dagger · 2013-04-21, 19:54

I would love to see Obama veto CISPA, that will be a giant middle finger up the asses of all those lobbyist. The internet would probably celebrate Obama like some war hero.

Hooves · 2013-04-22, 19:13

If I see Obama veto CISPA, I'll celebrate a little to him.

NoemiChan · 2013-04-23, 02:29

WTF? This ever existed? Ban everything except free downloads...

AnimeFan188 · 2013-04-23, 20:27

CISPA row: Slurped citizen data is ENORMO HACK TARGET - infosec boss:

"The ability to identify common patterns in real-world attacks makes crowd-sourcing
threat intelligence extremely useful, according to a study from security tools firm
Imperva.

The report arrives just as a privacy row rages over the new Cyber Intelligence
Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) law in the US.

But the head of the security firm said the legislation could create several problems,
not least of which was the equivalent of sticking a giant 'Hack Me' sign on the
government's info stores."

See:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04...e_edged_sword/

Flying Dagger · 2013-04-23, 21:25

I am not against the general idea of cyber security, but at the end of the day
a) The US government really has no jurisdiction under net neutrality. Why does a Russian citizen have to abide US law just because the email service he chose (say, gmail) does business in the States?

b) No laws or other silliness can really prevent some of the most basic cyberattacks: DoS from botnet, or existence of stupid people

c) Way too much other crap is mixed into bills such as CISPA.

d) I give them credit for the ever misleading names. I should try to get them to pass a bill titled the "Save Innocent Puppies Act" (SIPA) where the government of united states grant me supreme power over the entire country in the name of saving puppies. This include the authority to print money (to buy dog food), forcefully recruit a harem of lolis (to take care of puppies), and to forcibly eliminate any person who I feel is a threat to the existence of puppies ("why do you have so much chocolate in your house? Trying to poison puppies? Girls! Take him away and throw him into a volcano").

Vexx · 2013-04-23, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

d) I give them credit for the ever misleading names. I should try to get them to pass a bill titled the "Save Innocent Puppies Act" (SIPA) where the government of united states grant me supreme power over the entire country in the name of saving puppies. This include the authority to print money (to buy dog food), forcefully recruit a harem of lolis (to take care of puppies), and to forcibly eliminate any person who I feel is a threat to the existence of puppies ("why do you have so much chocolate in your house? Trying to poison puppies? Girls! Take him away and throw him into a volcano").

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, for the puppies of course (rofl).

theflyingturkey · 2013-04-24, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

Well, of course. These assholes will never give up. They'll just come back with similar things under different names and acronyms. It's try-try-try again, until those interested control the channels of information. Whoever controls information controls politics.

As for CISPA, Obama is threatening veto. So, if it gets that far, the bill is as good as dead.

It's sad that he won't be able to run for another term

.

Lord of Fire · 2013-04-24, 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by theflyingturkey

It's sad that he won't be able to run for another term

.

And that, in the worst case scenario, they'll probably just wait till a President comes along who WILL sign the bill (or any of its derivatives).

**Solace** · 2013-04-24, 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

And that, in the worst case scenario, they'll probably just wait till a President comes along who WILL sign the bill (or any of its derivatives).

Yup. Just ask this guy:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/t-nvBRSNccs

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AnimeFan188 · 2013-04-27, 19:21

CISPA 'dead' in Senate, privacy concerns cited:

"The chairman of a key Senate committee cited "insufficient" privacy protections in
the cybersecurity bill, recently passed by the House. A new report says the Senate
is drafting separate bills."

See:

http://www.zdnet.com/cispa-dead-in-s...ed-7000014536/

HasuMasu · 2013-04-28, 00:41

Sounds like a great way to transition into new bill with even more 'protection'.

2013-04-21, 19:42	Link #89
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That requires 2/3 of the House and Senate to counter the President's veto. The National Defense Act from a year or two ago was not vetoed because it would have been pointless with 99 out of 100 Senators voting for it and something like 3/4 of the House for it. That and the majority of the Act was for funding the military as per normal. __________________

2013-04-20, 04:43	Link #81
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	What, this thing is still alive?

2013-04-20, 19:56	Link #83
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Apparently, it works the same way in Russia: Do It For The Children: "As expected, a new Russian law allowing the government to block Internet traffic considered (by government censors) to be a danger to children is being used to block foreign criticism of the Russian government and the growing use of police state practices." "Putin has noted how troublesome Internet activity can be. Over the last few years the government has been pushing Internet censorship almost as aggressively as China. This is done mainly to cripple the Russian Internet community that has taken the lead in spotlighting corruption and government inefficiency. This censorship campaign is all for the children, of course." See: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hti.../20130420.aspx

2013-04-21, 19:17	Link #84
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Reddit Cofounder Calls on Google’s Larry Page to Oppose CISPA: "The cofounder of the popular social news site Reddit has called on the leaders of Google, Facebook and Twitter to help defeat a controversial cybersecurity bill that would compromise the privacy of their users if passed by lawmakers." See: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...opposes-cispa/

2013-04-21, 19:22	Link #85
flying ^ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010	... you know why it's too quiet out there in the real world~ The truth is, web culture is far more attached to the free flow of information than notions of individualism. The web is founded on interdependence, innovation, and discovery. These are the values that ignite the passions of those who create (and control) the World Wide Web. Civil liberties are a concern, but don’t trigger the same sense of urgency. Privacy, ownership, sovereignty, expression, and choice, will all be overshadowed by transparency, sharing, global citizenship, and wisdom. Government watchdog groups can try to spark protest all they want, but the actions of the Internet community has already spoken: civil liberties are not a priority .......... http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/14/why...-surveillance/

2013-04-21, 19:54	Link #90
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	I would love to see Obama veto CISPA, that will be a giant middle finger up the asses of all those lobbyist. The internet would probably celebrate Obama like some war hero.

2013-04-23, 02:29	Link #92
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	WTF? This ever existed? Ban everything except free downloads...

2013-04-23, 20:27	Link #93
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	CISPA row: Slurped citizen data is ENORMO HACK TARGET - infosec boss: "The ability to identify common patterns in real-world attacks makes crowd-sourcing threat intelligence extremely useful, according to a study from security tools firm Imperva. The report arrives just as a privacy row rages over the new Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) law in the US. But the head of the security firm said the legislation could create several problems, not least of which was the equivalent of sticking a giant 'Hack Me' sign on the government's info stores." See: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04...e_edged_sword/

2013-04-23, 21:25	Link #94
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	I am not against the general idea of cyber security, but at the end of the day a) The US government really has no jurisdiction under net neutrality. Why does a Russian citizen have to abide US law just because the email service he chose (say, gmail) does business in the States? b) No laws or other silliness can really prevent some of the most basic cyberattacks: DoS from botnet, or existence of stupid people c) Way too much other crap is mixed into bills such as CISPA. d) I give them credit for the ever misleading names. I should try to get them to pass a bill titled the "Save Innocent Puppies Act" (SIPA) where the government of united states grant me supreme power over the entire country in the name of saving puppies. This include the authority to print money (to buy dog food), forcefully recruit a harem of lolis (to take care of puppies), and to forcibly eliminate any person who I feel is a threat to the existence of puppies ("why do you have so much chocolate in your house? Trying to poison puppies? Girls! Take him away and throw him into a volcano").

2013-04-27, 19:21	Link #99
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	CISPA 'dead' in Senate, privacy concerns cited: "The chairman of a key Senate committee cited "insufficient" privacy protections in the cybersecurity bill, recently passed by the House. A new report says the Senate is drafting separate bills." See: http://www.zdnet.com/cispa-dead-in-s...ed-7000014536/

2013-04-28, 00:41	Link #100
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	Sounds like a great way to transition into new bill with even more 'protection'.