Macross Frontier (Macross 25) general discussion [No Spoilers]

[Tak]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

So you mean all ppl who know japanese will have the same opinion as you?? I don't want to start any war here, but I think even japanese viewers will have diverse opinion on that scene in ep 23 right??

Here you go again, did you bother reading my entire sentence?

Allow me to bold it for you

"And it is interesting how quickly some of those opinions change. For people who can only read subtitles, it is easy to misunderstand the meaning, but for someone who can understand Japanese, well, its not that simple"

Does that even mention anything in regards to my opinions being exactly the same as those of Japanese audiences' or vise versa? See how quickly you jumped to conclusions and putting words in my mouth?

Yes, the Japanese audience also tend to have diverse reactions regarding that very scene, but not many people, unlike to some fans here, are quickly to jump to conclusions. Just go see it for yourself, browse the back numbers of this forum and see how a certain group of fans quickly jumped to conclusion.

- Tak

[justavisitor]

@Teletha
I think our difference is that our focus is different, back then when I was lurking, (I didn't sign up until after ep 25 if my memory serves me right) I read some Sheryl fans kept on saying that Alto only cares about Sheryl, and Alto only relates Ranka to the safety of MF or his goal..well at the end, it's obvious that both girls are important to him too...so while you are focusing on Ranka fans who suggest Alto only cares about Ranka in ep 23, I am focusing on Sheryl fans who suggest Alto still only cares about Sheryl after ep 23..and at the end...both sides can only settle in the middle

@Tak
Thanks for your clarification!!! Thank you for saying japanese audiences also have diverse reactions...I just thought to myself it can't be true that japanese viewers all have the same opinion...I am not putting words into your mouth, so that's why I asked you for clarification and thankfully you provided

[Mei19]

You know what, I had a lot to comment since I think there's something about the extras that has been taken into another level, but now that things are heating up again. I'm turned off. Never mind hahah Who cares.

[justavisitor]

I am about to be off Mei 19...feel free to use the next 14-16 hours XD...I have no intention to heat up anything...it's just ppl asked our opinion, I provided, someone responded again, and I asked for his clarification, and he answered again...No big deal at all

if you want to comment something, please do XD

[Teletha]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

@Teletha
I think our difference is that our focus is different, back then when I was lurking, (I didn't sign up until after ep 25 if my memory serves me right) I read some Sheryl fans kept on saying that Alto only cares about Sheryl, and Alto only relates Ranka to the safety of MF or his goal..well at the end, it's obvious that both girls are important to him too...so while you are focusing on Ranka fans who suggest Alto only cares about Ranka in ep 23, I am focusing on Sheryl fans who suggest Alto still only cares about Sheryl after ep 23..and at the end...both sides can only settle in the middle

Yes, obviously both girls are important to him. I don't think anyone can disagree with that. The sticking point is what kind of love he feels for them. I don't think it's the same type for both girls. I think settling in the middle is a cop out and doesn't follow the story up until episode 24. But we can't get rid of episode 25, so I guess we have to live with it.

What are you two talking about, things are heating up? It seems pretty normal temperature in here to me.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Teletha

What are you two talking about, things are heating up? It seems pretty normal temperature in here to me.

In fact, it actually felt kind of cold.

- Tak

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by Natsuki Hyuga

That's because liner notes aren't exactly Radio show program I'm not really too sure about this, but someone told me that liner notes are usually commentary that is included in DVD/Blu-Ray version of certain series.



Why do we need to discuss that anyway? It can be planned, it can be not planned, it could be bad execution phase. It's not like it change the plot anyway... And character portrayal wise, if it's not planned... Actually that just degenarate Ranka's characterization into "spontaneous girl" ...

(Yes you all just keep bugging my mind when you were arguing that )



... Why not visit Macross BBS, 2ch and the others? It's not like the producer would want to tarnish certain characters good name if their actions were probably the most controversial of all things. I mean, have you truly ever seen a director/producer/staffs comments about certain characters' bad reputation? *coughKazukicough*

P.S: Please don't give me tl;dr. This is just a common sense when the creator doesn't want to talk bad of her characters. I mean, it's not like we don't know about people's reaction, and the silence from "the fans feel for her" comment is really telling me something And no, I still think Ranka is one of the popular characters just... Less likened now after lotsa of episode fiasco? :'D

Haha..

HAHA..

COCKroach!

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

...both sides can only settle in the middle

you mean I won?

[magnuskn]

[Teletha]

Settling in the middle means Sheryl fans rage against Kawamori for being a cockblocker and Ranka fans worship Kawamori for giving them a second chance at losing. Nobody wins.

[Urei]

The only thing that wins is Kawamori's wallet. I'm sure he had this "Yen" sign floating above his head when he was writing the scrip for ep 25.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Teletha

And saying people are going into hiding is just me being facetious. There were some more hardcore fans here who vowed to show us the truth of the Ranka x Alto end, only to fail time and time again. Then fail again here when the writer of the scenes disagrees with what they say.

Lol @ Seifall, Ohnogi's interview confirms Musouka owning her.

Btw Seifall Where are you? Also BleachOD on your 4th, 6th or 10th account get your ass into here.

[justavisitor]

@Father Hentai

My preference of pairing is always 1)Ranka 2)Both 3)Sheryl

So I have no problem of harem/unresolved ending at all...and I always state that MF may/probably allow polygamy, so you are I are probably on the same side, which is pro polygamy/harem ending for the MF

[Natsuki Hyuga]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

@Father Hentai

So I have no problem of harem/unresolved ending at all...and I always state that MF may/probably allow polygamy, so you are I are probably on the same side, which is pro polygamy/harem ending for the MF

Sadly as a harem (or at least 3P) shipper, I hate triangular end in Macross raile can testify how much my love for 3P transcend into the sky with how I have been fangirling to her about a certain game that allows me to get a 3P pairing canonically *cries in joy* Although the guys actually pass as cute brothers to me, personally <3

Maybe it's because Alto is not a pimp material like Layfon in Regios or any kind of good harem lead character (methinks K1 pass too, but prolly not as a harem masta) He passes as a drag queen though... Which is why in yuri, AruShery would be made of hotness As for Aruran... Errr, hard to say but that it would still be molestation to underage

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

@Father Hentai

My preference of pairing is always 1)Ranka 2)Both 3)Sheryl

So I have no problem of harem/unresolved ending at all...and I always state that MF may/probably allow polygamy, so you are I are probably on the same side, which is pro polygamy/harem ending for the MF

To be honest I am more AxS but kept RxAxS open. The AxS because I saw it as a homage to Hikaru and Misa from DYRL. But I like the optional ending that Alto can have both or Both girls can have Alto. Depending on how you view the triangle.

[justavisitor]

But the irony is that probably only in MF setting that harem/polygamy/cough3pcough can be allowed..because citizens in MF or macross universe realize the danger of going into extinction (from original Marcoss or DYRL), and you need as many as new generation for space exploration journey..so polygamy may be in there because a huamn can even marry an alien XD

Maybe Alto knows that polygamy law all along

And you have pimp who searches for harem, and you also have another kind of person who unnoticeably attracts women...I don't think Alto is that kind of person either but somehow he is doing it...

@Father Hentai
That's why I say we are at the middle..our second choice got the ending
You mean the last scene?...I am just glad that Ranka and Alto have one more chance to understand each other at the end...I always think they have feeling towards each other and sadly they don't have time to develop it...

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Btw Seifall Where are you? Also BleachOD on your 4th, 6th or 10th account get your ass into here.

I can definitely live with Seifall showing her face in here like, never again.

[Teletha]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

But the irony is that probably only in MF setting that harem/polygamy/cough3pcough can be allowed..because citizens in MF or macross universe realize the danger of going into extinction (from original Marcoss or DYRL), and you need as many as new generation for space exploration journey..so polygamy may be in there because a huamn can even marry an alien XD

See, I'm not sure how serious you are being. I've seen pretty much all of Macross (other then some episodes of 7) and I don't recall polygamy being acceptable or something people strived for. Kawamori didn't want to end the triangle because he couldn't satisfy his Ranka fanboyism because of the Alto x Sheryl development before. That and I'm thinking he doesn't give a shit and wants mecha porn. There is no other reason for it. Ranka fans are more accepting to the OT3 because it stopped the Sheryl end, or at least that is what I've found.

Alto x Sheryl x Ranka doesn't work for me because for one Sheryl and Ranka are rivals. Alto can barely handle one girl, let alone two. I also don't think Ranka deserves Sheryl. I can handle Alto, but not Ranka.


lol @ Seifall. Come back. My favorite post Now you can all say the triangle is over.

[justavisitor]

@Teletha
it's more like the ending makes me wonder what the setting in MF is like. the triangle could have gone either way. Had Alto confessed to Sheryl in ep 24, then it would be over for Ranka, but no he didn't, so I (or other Ranka fan) think it would go classic way aka Macross Zero where male lead confesses to female lead (Ranka in this case) in front of enemy fire..that kind of confession is pretty classical in most anime. Before you say Alto and Ranka don't have the ground for that confession etc, I of course think otherwise XD but that's not the argument of today, and frankly, I have spent too much time in the past to argue with that..so please see my previous post in case you are curious to know my viewpoint in that regard

Back to the topic, but Alto doesn't exactly confess either in ep 25, and instead, he says something like both are his wings...and then I think, hey is polygamy acceptable in macross universe?? original Macross didn't behave like that because the culture was before the alien invasion..same as Macross Zero..Macross plus and Seven are 2 men fighting for one girl...(and I haven't seen Macross 7 either)...so this is the first time after original Macross that I see 2 girls fighting for a boy..combined with the ending and it lets me start to think about the possibility of polygamy in Macross Universe after the alien invasion back in original Macross

Of course, you can say polygamy can exist in the form of 2 men and 1 woman...but that's a bit beyond my imagination

[Tak]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Of course, you can say polygamy can exist in the form of 2 men and 1 woman...but that's a bit beyond my imagination

That is fucking sick, don't ever suggest that again.

On the other hand,

This is a triangle I can live with (even if my life will significantly shorten):

Spoiler for TomoKyou!!:

While the situation with Ranka etc, is the one where I will pwn the greenie on ebay so fast she won't know what hit her. Yes, even if I was to get Ranka for free, I wouldn't want it!

Aside from that, just think of all the obligations I must indulge myself in to keep Ranka around. She is way, way, WAAAYYYY too high maintenance.

- Tak