2010-03-03, 14:37 | Link #2022 | ||
ロック・オン!
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Oh and I see the reason for ecchi shows always selling at least 2k-4k copies. They're clearly not utter garbage! Sells have nothing to do with quality of a show. Popular does not equal to good. Yes, I am quite mad. ...Makes me actually wonder if there is such category as "good" and how do you actually measure "good" and if it still boils down to likes and dislikes, they why bother? Although "good" normally means "universally good", good for everyone, so... still kind of a bold thing to claim. Last edited by Daniel Lind; 2010-03-03 at 14:53. |
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2010-03-03, 16:11 | Link #2023 | ||
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2010-03-03, 16:13 | Link #2024 |
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You are thinking too much. IMO He never said that the quality is proportional with sale. He only means that the series appeals to many people. If many people like it then it's good. But how good is it is another question.
And I think that the best selling anime ever is Spirited Away not Evangelion. CMIIW
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2010-03-03, 16:14 | Link #2025 | |
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As for my own opinion, the show is original and entertaining but it doesn't have that much depth. And don't treat this as a hate speech - I did say that I enjoyed watching every minute of it. I just fail to notice the DEEP aspects. |
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2010-03-03, 17:02 | Link #2026 |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 37
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What does deep even mean? I don't think it's meaningful to follow that line of thought until we know we're all talking about the same thing. Bakemonogatari has well-written dialog featuring characters who are usually slight twists on common archetypes (except Nadeko who has no twists and is the least interesting character for it). Some of the characters are analyzed more than others and have an interesting consistency in their otherwise disparate actions that can be explained by reference to underlying personality traits that are not explicitly stated in the text, although usually fairly obvious in the subtext.
The story is a simple love story/love triangle thing, with some side character arcs to better develop the primary characters. I don't think it's really pretending to be more than that, but it seems to be a common misconception. This is not a story-based show, and the story is not its strong point. It's entirely about the characters and how they interact with Araragi, and he with them. Bakemonogatari can be enjoyed by people who like it's surface prettiness and fanservice (which is relatively tasteful, usually, and when it's not is exaggerated to the point of parody), but also by people who like to analyze characters in fiction. I don't think we'll be talking about it literature classes a hundred years from now or anything like that, but it succeeds on both those fronts. Last edited by Clarste; 2010-03-03 at 17:34. |
2010-03-03, 17:06 | Link #2027 | |
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I don't get all of those people who hail this series as the DEEPest thing since Lain. It's a well written show with nice characters. Nothing more or less. |
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2010-03-03, 17:09 | Link #2028 | |
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2010-03-03, 19:04 | Link #2029 | |
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The only show I've really made this comparison with is Katanagatari. While I am a bit disappointed that it doesn't reach the artistic/technical heights that Shaft can (I'll also have to admit that Shaft's style might not totally fit it though), as a story, and as emotion, I find it much more compelling. |
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2010-03-03, 21:38 | Link #2030 | |
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2010-03-04, 04:19 | Link #2031 | |
さっく♥ゆうきゃん♥ほそやん
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If Nishio Ishin intended this to be anything more than another story to showcase his fantastic dialogue (and perhaps, characters), I'm really not seeing it. Given his output, I really think he's writing just because he wants to. And as some people have said, he needs to realise when to stop.
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2010-03-04, 04:31 | Link #2032 | |
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2010-03-04, 04:41 | Link #2033 | |
さっく♥ゆうきゃん♥ほそやん
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I really like Nishio-sensei's dialogue, and I think I'll love at least Bake and Kizu when I first read them, but I'm a bit nervous about getting to the later ones...
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2010-03-04, 06:09 | Link #2036 |
田舎者言うな
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Actually, I'm expecting something like, say, April. June is totally unexpected.
Animate has also updated their site. So it's pretty much LOLSHAFT, not an error. Edit: Official site has also updated. Announcement. Spoiler for my feelings:
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2010-03-04, 06:22 | Link #2037 | |
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2010-03-04, 07:04 | Link #2039 |
Latin Rascal
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Italy
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At least Shaft doesn't seems to have anything planned after Arakawa... I hope they learned a lesson in the last year (but I'm not very confident...), so they can improve theirs works (I'm quite sure is less expensive to work quietly and not repeatedly redoing the episodes ).
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2010-03-04, 07:40 | Link #2040 |
Lets be reality
Join Date: May 2007
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Utter rage at another delay (seriously shaft can get f'd) aside I'm puzzled/bewildered that apparently heaps of Bake fans appreciate it because it's "deep". smh @ Bakemonogatari being a pretentious anime only liked because it has depth... lolwut?
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