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Malkuth · 2012-02-24, 15:41

Out of curiosity, how many pages were devoted to the incestuous dental cleanliness

Shikijin · 2012-02-24, 16:59

About 20 pages. But that part was dragged a lot. Nisio wanted to have 80 pages of Karen.

Shadow5YA · 2012-02-24, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Shikijin

I've read all Nadeko Snake and I rewatched the anime. I was surprised to see it was a little less faithful then Nisemonogatari.

-They cut most of the initial part with Kanbaru, from Kanbaru calling it a date (Kanbaru basically stole Araragi's first date from Senjougahara), Kanbaru insinuating she would mind if Araragi got frisky with her in the wild, Kanbaru being asked from Araragi to change the way she calls him and then she came out with "Ragi", "Ragiko", "Koyomi" and in the end back as before, and much more, among which the "can I strip" gag.
-Araragi told Kanbaru to wear long sleeves and long pants because they were going on a mountain, Kanbaru in itself did as she was told, but arrived with torn jeans and a shirt that exposed her midriff. Araragi told her to at least button up her outerwear.
-The Serpentarius was referenced. It seems Kanbaru has some notions of astronomy (possibly from Senjougahara).
-While Araragi said Kanbaru's granny helped her making the lunch, it was more like the reverse, with Kanbaru even failing to be of help.
-Hanekawa chose some reference books for Araragi, but they were too expensive and Araragi noted he only had 10000 yen in his purse. Hanekawa then chose other books with cost as a criterion, and he ended up with a pile of books that precisely costed 10000 yen.
-Hanekawa said she got those headache because she had been busy and slacked off with her study.
-Kanbaru boasted being able to hit on a younger girl in less than 10 seconds.
-Araragi send Kanbaru to the convenience store buying the things they needed for the exorcism. Kanbaru had no money on her, so he'd pay for everything. It turned out Kanbaru had no money but she was carrying a school swimsuit.
-Oshino said that, unlike the others, Sengoku was a genuine victim.
-Oshino explained more about the Jagirinawa. He said snakes crush the bones of their prey to swallow them whole. When the curse is complete, the Jagirinawa's head enters through the mouth of its victim. It was meant to look like that.
-Araragi and Kanbaru revealed to Sengoku their kaii. Araragi hasn't told anything to Hanekawa about the crab, the snail and the monkey, and Hanekawa forgot about the cat.
-While facing the snake, Araragi saw himself as having defensive power whereas Kanbaru had offensive power. Mentally he was still trying to find a way to win.
-Talking with Tsukihi, he remembered he called Sengoku "Sen-chan". At the time it was almost a chore for him to play with his sisters' friends.
-It was explained briefly that after the exorcism it was late so the three splept together at the ruined cram school.
-Araragi doesn't know which person the snake returned to, whether the boy or the girl. Ultimately for him and for Sengoku it was "unnecessary" to know. "Unnecessary" as a word is written with snake + foot. This was the punchline of the story.

-All the flashbacks Sengoku had of her childhood were anime original. It should have been easy to imagine since the story is told from the point of view of Araragi. If anything, Sengoku fell for Araragi not because he repaired her bike, but because of his comebacks. She is shown to laugh at those several times.
-I think that while the lines were the same, having Sengoku speak so much somehow changed the impression. Araragi presented her as a new kind of character, the silent one (Shinobu -> haughty. Oshino -> sarcasm. Hanekawa -> sermon. Senjougahara -> abusive. Hachikuji -> polite rudeness. Kanbaru -> flattery). He noted that even Shinobu had become like that recentely though.

-In Nadeko Snake Sengoku was wearing her hat over her eyes and looking downward, but IIRC only in the first part of Tsubasa Cat it was mentioned her bangs cover her eyes.

EDIT: it is mentioned here vampires are weak to poison, that's one of the reason Araragi was having troubles with the snake.

Yeah, I remember it being mentioned that Nadeko's bangs covered her eyes, but when I actually saw her character design, it didn't look like her bangs covered her eyes at all.

leorodri100 · 2012-02-25, 01:00

FUU now i can't sleep in a way i'm damn relieved to know that there really will be a toothbrush in the other hand NOW I CAN'T WAIT NOR SLEEP

larethian · 2012-02-25, 09:35

news flash: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/vie...rt=105#p141016

Hell_ping · 2012-02-25, 09:42

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Originally Posted by larethian

news flash: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/vie...rt=105#p141016

Beat me to it...

Yup. Not going to be as fast as Index translation, but you guys will have a constant translator working on this series.

larethian · 2012-02-25, 10:19

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Beat me to it...

Yup. Not going to be as fast as Index translation, but you guys will have a constant translator working on this series.

Well, that's because he's working on Kurenai, Oreimo, and Heavy Object as well.

Hell_ping · 2012-02-25, 10:39

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Well, that's because he's working on Kurenai, Oreimo, and Heavy Object as well.

Don't forget NEEDLESS...

Okay, BOT. Updates for Mayoi Snail...

Shikijin · 2012-02-25, 13:56

I wanted to read Nadeko Snake because I felt the story in the anime was a bit poor. I read Tsubasa Cat to see if the story was better explained. Between subs not always correct and the many text flashes, reading the original text made things more clear for me.

Spoiler for length:

I think the date chapter as a whole is probably the best thing Nisio ever written, and certainly the most romantic. But damn, Hanekawa getting NTRed was really heartwrenching

HasuMasu · 2012-02-25, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Beat me to it...

Yup. Not going to be as fast as Index translation, but you guys will have a constant translator working on this series.

Is this...real?

Our prayers have been answered.

Romanticide · 2012-02-26, 00:30

Is Kissshot's human life ever mentioned besides the bit in Kizu?

Westlo · 2012-02-26, 04:00

I was reading Andrew C's review of Nise 2 from back in 09 again...

http://theeasternstandard.blogspot.c...nisioisin.html

My question is.. after dat toothbrush scene... can someone expand on this.

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Add into that an uncomfortably eroticized scene where he brushes his sister's teeth, a scene far too disturbing to feel at home in a frothy thing like this, and something he's already done successfully in a different series

I'm guessing he's referring to something in Zaregoto? Anyone know and can give out the juicy details?

Shikijin · 2012-02-26, 10:06

I have read Zaregoto up to half of the 8th book and there is a lot of sekuhara, but nothing like the toothbrush scene so far. I think it's the Sekai series, according to wikipedia the main character dotes on his sister.

omimon · 2012-02-27, 03:47

Now that the toothbrush scene is here and gone let's do a count of how many incest scenes are left in Nise. Big or small.

-Karen carrying Araragi on her shoulders
-Araragi tying Tsukihi up and molesting her
-Araragi grabs Karen's breast before he heads into battle

Huh, they just aren't on the same level as the toothbrush.

Palom · 2012-02-27, 06:14

The more I look into the reviews and summaries, the less hopeful I am for a happy end for someone.

Spoiler for Otori/Koi... yeah, you guessed it...:

omimon · 2012-02-27, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Palom

The more I look into the reviews and summaries, the less hopeful I am for a happy end for someone.

Spoiler for Otori/Koi... yeah, you guessed it...:

I believe that the story is definitely trying to tell us that there is still hope for Nadeko. Kaiki convinced her to grasp her humanity again and that she has something more than just her cute exterior.

That was the whole problem for Nadeko. EVERYONE treated her as if she was useless other than putting on a cute look. This sorta messed up her mind. Kaiki showed her that she had something else in her life that is important.

I think Nadeko is going to do just fine.

Palom · 2012-02-27, 14:19

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Originally Posted by omimon

I believe that the story is definitely trying to tell us that there is still hope for Nadeko. Kaiki convinced her to grasp her humanity again and that she has something more than just her cute exterior.

That was the whole problem for Nadeko. EVERYONE treated her as if she was useless other than putting on a cute look. This sorta messed up her mind. Kaiki showed her that she had something else in her life that is important.

I think Nadeko is going to do just fine.

Hygiene-sama, arigatou! I've read that Kaiki did some convincing, but I didn't know what he said. Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, being a moe-blob and nothing else, that is a devastating thought. She certainly deserved better. Huh. Now that I think about it, it makes sense given her original lack of development. Kana did good requesting a villainous role. Nisio (that's the spelling, right?) also made a good call in bringing forth Dark Nadeko.

Whew, it's been a hard month, but now that that's settled, I think I'll get into the Multimonogatari series for reals. I might start with the infamous episode 8 once non-members (me) can watch it.

leorodri100 · 2012-03-02, 17:48

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Originally Posted by omimon

Now that the toothbrush scene is here and gone let's do a count of how many incest scenes are left in Nise. Big or small.

-Karen carrying Araragi on her shoulders
-Araragi tying Tsukihi up and molesting her
-Araragi grabs Karen's breast before he heads into battle

Huh, they just aren't on the same level as the toothbrush.

still they sound pretty good to watch.
karen carring araragi...lol
does he grabs the breast when he is going to fight against ononoki and kagenui?

EDIT-

damn, man... if we go by your predictions, ominon the fight with kagenui and ononoki will most likely be the OVA

btw the pre-release images for episode 9 are out!! http://seventhstyle.com/2012/03/02/n...elease-images/

taichi-kun · 2012-03-04, 13:08

shikijin, I read your post of tsubasa cat ...and I have one question :
Hitagi was helping with the 3rd year school festival because hanekawa was in trouble ? is like hitagi replaced her for a while ?

Shikijin · 2012-03-04, 14:13

Ah, I think I forgot to mention that. Yes, Hanekawa forced Senjougahara to help because she had been skipping such activities before with the excuse of the illness (I don't remember if the anime mentioned that, anyway she told people she had an illness because she couldn't talk of the crab).

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leorodri100 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011	FUU now i can't sleep in a way i'm damn relieved to know that there really will be a toothbrush in the other hand NOW I CAN'T WAIT NOR SLEEP Last edited by leorodri100; 2012-02-25 at 01:21.

2012-02-25, 13:56	Link #1889
Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	I wanted to read Nadeko Snake because I felt the story in the anime was a bit poor. I read Tsubasa Cat to see if the story was better explained. Between subs not always correct and the many text flashes, reading the original text made things more clear for me. Spoiler for length: -The initial flashback in the novel was placed after Oshino wakes Black Hanekawa. Concretely that part was detailed only about the dialogue between Araragi and Hanekawa. It was mentioned in passing Hanekawa buried a cat which has been run over by cars, and in other chapters it was mentioned that Shinobu had some kind of role in the resolution. Shaft had to invent half of the flashback (I must say the picture of Black Hanekawa by Vofan was misleading). Also in the novel it was specifically mentioned Hanekawa's gauze was covering the whole left half of her face. Shaft got it wrong, I don't know if intentionally. Anyway, the gauze being big was supposed to be the point, otherwise it could be easily explained with an incident. It had to be obvious someone hit Hanekawa. -Even in the novel it was not properly explained how Oshino managed to tie up the cat. As soon as the flashback finished the cat got caught. -I thought the date with Senjougahara was complete enough since a whole episode was dedicated to it, but Shaft actually cut many lines here and there. And the car was a Jeep (which Senjougahara's father borrowed from a friend). The chapter has been translated on Bakatsuki so I will just point out a couple of things. -From Araragi's point of view, Hanekawa and Senjougahara have both high grades so they are grouped together, but Senjougahara replied that Hanekawa would group her with Araragi instead. Hanekawa is the real thing (this theme was carried on in Nise). -When Senjougahara learned Araragi was getting along nicely with Kanbaru, she stated she could use her as a hostage, because Kanbaru obeys her in everything. She was making threats like "do this or Kanbaru will walk the school on four feet with her bottom bare. Why do they always cut the best gags in the anime? (by the way, Senjougahara said she would get her body ready by the next week! ) -Senjougahara calculates things so that she arrives at school perfectly on time. -Hanekawa in the park was actually wearing her coat (not just draping it over her shoulders), a thin coat with long sleeves and a long hem. Araragi could just understand she was wearing pajama pants underneath. He was thinking of strategies like in the North Wind and the Sun fable to make her undress. Later, when he met Black Hanekawa the second time for some reason she had taken out the coat. -While going to Oshino with Hanekawa sitting behind him on the bike, Araragi was enjoying bumps on the road a bit too much, so at a certain point Hanekawa squeezed him. Araragi asked if it was the sumo technique of sabaori, but Hanekawa replied that that sumo technique is used from the front and its purpose is to target the opponent's knees, not destroying internal organs (Hanekawa trying to destroy internal organs... so HNNNNGGG ). Araragi was thankful Hanekawa didn't notice her cushions were softening the blow -I don't know the reason, but the scenes of Araragi calling his friends to help him find Shinobu and the climax with the cat were all part of the same chapter. An 80 pages long chapter. -The part with Kanbaru was considerably long considered the urgency of the matter. And Kanbaru was supposed to run at full sprint, altough in the anime we just see her walk. EDIT: according to Kanbaru, Senjougahara boasted on the phone about her date with Araragi for 5 hours (how much did Senjougahara sleep that night?). Kanbaru complimented Araragi, but said he hadn't won yet. -Senjougahara said there was so much work to do about the school festival it was a waste of precious time even answering the phone. She didn't know how Hanekawa could manage it. By the way, at first she didn't even plan to answer the phone, she checked who was the caller just because the phone kept ringing. -The scene with Oshino waving his hand at Araragi is anime original, as is the scene of Senjougahara working on the festival. -In the novel it is just said Araragi kept circling around for hours, without eating, drinking or resting. -EDIT: I was forgetting this. After Araragi experimented the energy drain, Black Hanekawa made him an offer, he could have touched Hanekawa's cushions in exchange for 1 dried bonito. Or 1 matatabi (cat powder). Or 1 Cat Food can. Araragi retorted it was as if the cat could only count up to 1. -The Sawarineko has the trait of never coming out by itself. Its brainpower of an average cat merges with the knowledge of the host, and that creates Black Hanekawa. Even defeating Black Hanekawa, the Sawarineko remains in Hanekawa's heart. -The purpose of Black Hanekawa is helping Hanekawa get rid of her stress at all costs. For this reason Black Hanekawa collaborated with Araragi finding Shinobu. -Hanekawa was especially careful in hiding her feelings, but she appointed Araragi as deputy class rep exactly because she wanted to have him closer to her. And Araragi was just thinking she wanted to rehabilitate him! (damn his persecution complex!) By the way, Hanekawa persuaded the class by saying that "putting people in places of responsibility make them grow". -This part was cut although it was very important. Hanekawa never thought Araragi would have been kind to everyone. She wasn't making a move because she wasn't thinking he would find another girl to help. That's why she kept telling Araragi Senjougahara could have liked better if he was not kind to everyone, she was drawing upon her own personal experience. -There is a sub that translated the thing simply with "ask him out", so it's better to reiterate the point. Hanekawa's character wouldn't allow her to steal a boyfriend. The problem was that Hanekawa's relationship with Araragi had become an illicit love, because Senjougahara had already made her move. That was making Hanekawa feel guilty, to the point she would have rather preferred if it were all due to vampire charm. When Araragi revealed he couldn't understand Hanekawa's love pain, the cat remarked that maybe he didn't really love Senjougahara, he was just letting her have her way with him, and therefore it wouldn't matter if he switched girlfriend. Here Araragi would have got angry if he wasn't facing Hanekawa. Anyway, the cat was right mostly it was just Senjougahara having her way with him And I personally think it was a bit hypocrite to complain Hanekawa was giving in to her weakness because she resorted to the cat. After all even Senjougahara resorted to a kaii, and even her attacked innocent people at times -EDIT: Incidentally, the cat says Araragi had a part even in the birth of the first Black Hanekawa. -The fight with the cat was vastly revamped from the novel. The cat didn't strangle Araragi for example. In the anime it looked very cool though. -It is a bit redundant to explain this, but it's better to state it clearly. As mentioned before, the cat acted with the sole purpose of reducing Hanekawa's stress. The fastest way was to have Black Hanekawa dying, so she was trying to get herself killed by Shinobu. If it really came to it though, she wouldn't have minded even directly killing Araragi. It was still an option for her. By the way, despite the acrobatics of Shinobu in the anime, if Black Hanekawa really meant to she would have dodged any blow, she was too fast for Shinobu. -Hanekawa said the last lines while half sleeping, or possibly while Black Hanekawa's consciousness was still mixed with hers, anyway she was completely honest. By the way, the last thing she said was better translated with "Get your things straight". And since Hanekawa's training was not for show, Araragi was able to reply immediately. I think the date chapter as a whole is probably the best thing Nisio ever written, and certainly the most romantic. But damn, Hanekawa getting NTRed was really heartwrenching Last edited by Shikijin; 2012-03-05 at 11:52.

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Palom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Age: 41	The more I look into the reviews and summaries, the less hopeful I am for a happy end for someone. Spoiler for Otori/Koi... yeah, you guessed it...: We have Araragi unable to do a thing. We have Kaiki giving meaningful advice. We have a vampire killing wicked child with a poisoned mind. (OK, that was a bit too much Castlevania. :P ) With all that, Koyomi might be giving the cold shoulder. He, along with Tsukihi, may have lost a friend for good, if what Shinobu stated is still true. Sure there's no more medusa and no more jealousy, but there might also be no trace of good left, only a cute exterior. That is, from what I've been reading, and I'm usually wrong about a lot of things, but I shouldn't hold out hope. Is this end truly a happy one for Nadeko?

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Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Out of curiosity, how many pages were devoted to the incestuous dental cleanliness

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Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	About 20 pages. But that part was dragged a lot. Nisio wanted to have 80 pages of Karen.

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Romanticide Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	Is Kissshot's human life ever mentioned besides the bit in Kizu?

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Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	I have read Zaregoto up to half of the 8th book and there is a lot of sekuhara, but nothing like the toothbrush scene so far. I think it's the Sekai series, according to wikipedia the main character dotes on his sister.

2012-02-27, 03:47	Link #1894
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	Now that the toothbrush scene is here and gone let's do a count of how many incest scenes are left in Nise. Big or small. -Karen carrying Araragi on her shoulders -Araragi tying Tsukihi up and molesting her -Araragi grabs Karen's breast before he heads into battle Huh, they just aren't on the same level as the toothbrush.

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taichi-kun Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	shikijin, I read your post of tsubasa cat ...and I have one question : Hitagi was helping with the 3rd year school festival because hanekawa was in trouble ? is like hitagi replaced her for a while ?

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Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	Ah, I think I forgot to mention that. Yes, Hanekawa forced Senjougahara to help because she had been skipping such activities before with the excuse of the illness (I don't remember if the anime mentioned that, anyway she told people she had an illness because she couldn't talk of the crab).