Macross Frontier Character Discussion - Ranka Lee

[justavisitor]

@raile

I am not going to use my signature to affect other ppl's opinion...It's just every now and then, new or old Sheryl fan comes up and says the same comment again regarding to Ranka's "crimelist", and I pretty much counter (or discuss) most of them, so I am just using my signature to guide ppl to check my previous comments, if they are interested in my previous comments(Of course, I don't think ppl are interested in my comments anyway, but hey, you never know )

[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

All well and good, but that's not really what you're doing, is it? I've seen some very nice posts earlier and you didn't really bother to respond to much... waste of time, I guess.

Honestly yes, because I'll have to repeat myself and it really is annoying considering that I'm one of the few in this thread that's a Ranka "shipper" and there are so many posts against my views, I would love to respond to each one but I'm multi-tasking at the moment which means I can't take the time to do all that, again I see your points on Ranka, but I prefer not to repeat myself so many times. I respect everyone's views, not just mines.

[Father Hentai]

haha. well what should I say as someone who's neutral? :P but you are correct that the postings are getting annoying.

[raile]

Well Macross Frontier is at a hell-bent shipping war. Posts are bound to be annoying. One should get used to it by now.

[BetoJR]

The shipping is always annoying... but that's not an impediment on it being funny, once in a while.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

The shipping that involves triangle {though NOT really lulz} is always annoying... but that's not an impediment on it being funny, once in a while.

Fixed for you ~

[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

Fixed for you ~

lol, you're relentless aren't you?

[arcangelus]

her screams tick me off

[NighFC]

Originally Posted by arcangelus

her screams tick me off

Don't all screams do that?

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by NighFC

Don't all screams do that?

You clearly don't watch any porn.

[NighFC]

Originally Posted by Westlo

You clearly don't watch any porn.

Not into it.

But I wouldn't consider things of that sort screams.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by NighFC

Not into it.

But I wouldn't consider things of that sort screams.

- Tak (I could... but I won't)

[raile]

*blinks at the post before Tak's*
...

My mother told me that when you can't say anything nice, you--ah, never mind.

XD

[BetoJR]

Please, don't. I'm laughing too hard as it is.

[NighFC]

Laugh all you'd like at my beliefs on the matter and my disinterest in porn.

There's much better things one could do instead of look at that kind of stuff.

[Urei]

Aw, c'mon theres this thin border we can't cross with our comments

Hm, I seem to have forgotten Ranka's scream. It's been so long... and i still can't get the movie out of my head

[wisteria233]

When the series first started out I was charmed by Ranka's character (mind you I thought she was 12, due to a combination of her looks and behavior). I thought that she was a perfect blank slate character that could be developed into something spectacular, her potential was just that big. However, once the series got really underway (and I learned her real age) I began to see a major flaw in her character, that I really hoped that she would have to face. Her co-dependency on others.

While it is true that Sheryl was fiercely independent and so suffered from that, Ranka was the extreme opposite of that. She relied on others for everything, if someone said that she couldn't do it then unless someone (Alto) told her differently. I grew to despise that part of her personality and I wished both as a female and as a Ranka fan that she would learn to stand on her own two feet and make her own decisions without the help of others. In fact I viewed her school girl crush (yes crush) on Alto, and later on her dependence on Brera to be part of the obstacles that was separating her from her would be independence. Just once I wished that she would just make her own decisions instead of just following whatever people told her to do.

I also have a problem with her crush on Alto. It was a relationship was not healthy for either party, and also unfair to Alto. Alto was using her as an excuse for running away, Ranka made Alto the center of her universe. She just held him up on a pedestal without any knowledge to who he was a person, and when it was revealed that the feeling was not mutual she predictably collapsed. When that happened I thought it would be a great time for her to do some soul searching, but instead what did she do? Latch on to the next person offering the comfort that Alto could not (and did not want to) provide, without facing the consequences of her actions. I really don't understand why "Ranka fans" support her relationship with Alto when it is the very thing that destroyed her character, and I hope that she isn't included in the love triangle in the movie so they can just focus on her character.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by NighFC

Laugh all you'd like at my beliefs on the matter and my disinterest in porn.

I, for one, am not laughing at that - I'm laughing at your comment. Two very different things.

Originally Posted by NighFC

There's much better things one could do instead of look at that kind of stuff.

While I don't disagree, there are also lots of worse things, as well.

[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

When the series first started out I was charmed by Ranka's character (mind you I thought she was 12, due to a combination of her looks and behavior). I thought that she was a perfect blank slate character that could be developed into something spectacular, her potential was just that big. However, once the series got really underway (and I learned her real age) I began to see a major flaw in her character, that I really hoped that she would have to face. Her co-dependency on others.

While it is true that Sheryl was fiercely independent and so suffered from that, Ranka was the extreme opposite of that. She relied on others for everything, if someone said that she couldn't do it then unless someone (Alto) told her differently. I grew to despise that part of her personality and I wished both as a female and as a Ranka fan that she would learn to stand on her own two feet and make her own decisions without the help of others. In fact I viewed her school girl crush (yes crush) on Alto, and later on her dependence on Brera to be part of the obstacles that was separating her from her would be independence. Just once I wished that she would just make her own decisions instead of just following whatever people told her to do.

I also have a problem with her crush on Alto. It was a relationship was not healthy for either party, and also unfair to Alto. Alto was using her as an excuse for running away, Ranka made Alto the center of her universe. She just held him up on a pedestal without any knowledge to who he was a person, and when it was revealed that the feeling was not mutual she predictably collapsed. When that happened I thought it would be a great time for her to do some soul searching, but instead what did she do? Latch on to the next person offering the comfort that Alto could not (and did not want to) provide, without facing the consequences of her actions. I really don't understand why "Ranka fans" support her relationship with Alto when it is the very thing that destroyed her character, and I hope that she isn't included in the love triangle in the movie so they can just focus on her character.

Well well, I understand your malice towards Ranka but there is something that has become the huge problem with the people that like Ranka, that would have to be dismissing the idea that Alto does feel something for Ranka because that just isn't true, that scene on the top of the stairs was not a romantic moment, it was the misinterpretation of Ranka that made it seem that way but Alto did react because he knew what went through her head right away (Since Michel even told him before that Ranka was singing for him.)

Another area where you're mistaken is when you said that Alto didn't want to help Ranka, but the truth is that he didn't want to help the Vajra (like I always say, I don't blame him because of what happened to Michel.) Actually what would have become of Alto if he didn't have Sheryl OR Ranka, in reality Ranka helped Alto progress because of his need to protect her in the beginning, while Sheryl influenced him to deal with his past and find his real reason for flying. The real flaw lies within the constant interruption of development between Alto and Ranka's relationship. I support Alto and Ranka because it's not fair to say that he doesn't feel anything for her when in fact it's been shown that he cares about her. I also support them because no matter what separates them or interrupts their relationship, he always ends up protecting her.

One more thing I would like to say is that she did stand up for herself, even after her heart was broken because of a misunderstanding she still decided to ask Alto to help her with her quest, of course Brera came along and took her away because Alto didn't want to help the Vajra after everything that had happened. Ranka went on this quest not only to resolve her past issues and find out the truth behind her memories but she also went with the intentions of ending the war between humanity and Vajra's.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by DeX-kun

Well well, I understand your malice towards Ranka but there is something that has become the huge problem with the people that like Ranka, that would have to be dismissing the idea that Alto does feel something for Ranka because that just isn't true, that scene on the top of the stairs was not a romantic moment, it was the misinterpretation of Ranka that made it seem that way but Alto did react because he knew what went through her head right away (Since Michel even told him before that Ranka was singing for him.)

Another area where you're mistaken is when you said that Alto didn't want to help Ranka, but the truth is that he didn't want to help the Vajra (like I always say, I don't blame him because of what happened to Michel.) Actually what would have become of Alto if he didn't have Sheryl OR Ranka, in reality Ranka helped Alto progress because of his need to protect her in the beginning, while Sheryl influenced him to deal with his past and find his real reason for flying. The real flaw lies within the constant interruption of development between Alto and Ranka's relationship. I support Alto and Ranka because it's not fair to say that he doesn't feel anything for her when in fact it's been shown that he cares about her. I also support them because no matter what separates them or interrupts their relationship, he always ends up protecting her.

One more thing I would like to say is that she did stand up for herself, even after her heart was broken because of a misunderstanding she still decided to ask Alto to help her with her quest, of course Brera came along and took her away because Alto didn't want to help the Vajra after everything that had happened. Ranka went on this quest not only to resolve her past issues and find out the truth behind her memories but she also went with the intentions of ending the war between humanity and Vajra's.

First of all I have absolutely no malice towards her, nor have I ever mentioned Sheryl and Alto's relationship in my post. I neither like her nor hate her. Their relationship has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand. Why are you in so defensive?

What I was criticizing her character, Ranka is by no means perfect, in fact there is a lot wrong her character, and I believe being able to admit that is a sign of a true fan, especially when its blatantly obvious. This is not about whether or not Ranka and Alto have any sort of romantic feelings this is about Ranka's character, and how her relationship with others affects her, which needless to say was extremely. Try to stay on topic.

And asking for Alto to accompany her to Vajra land was not standing up for herself. That was her selfishly running away, and trying to take Alto (who has a own duty to Frontier) with her. Also when Brera was beating Alto twice why didn't she stop him? Simply saying stop would have been enough (that frankly reminds me of Minmay in SDF, where Kaifun would chew Hikaru out and Minmay would just sit there and do nothing to stop it). Also her leaving was also not her standing up for herself, because she already had a duty to fulfill and instead of facing the consequences she merely ran away, when it became too hard for her. Also she said and correct me if I'm wrong that she only wanted to bring Ai-kun back to its home, she had no intention of stopping the war between the Vajra and Frontier.

While we're on that subject wasn't it a bit selfish of her to ask Alto to go with her to take Ai-kun home? Especially after they both just witnessed the death of Alto's best friend, by a Vajra that looked just like Ai-kun, in front of their own eyes. Did she even take into account how Alto was feeling? Cause if she did she wouldn't have even thought to ask for such an impossible thing from him.