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Old 2021-01-11, 17:01   Link #41
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These comments are ridiculous. This clearly isn't your average trash isekai that we have like 2-3 of every season. Even the animation budget is high-tier. If you don't like it - sure, but at least give it a shot. Judging based on the first episode is nonsensical. The second episode might even be a harder watch considering you see even more of Rudeus' old self .. but that's basically what this anime is about. He chooses to live his new given life to it's fullest instead of going back to the loser he was. There is actually a lot of character development yet to come. Calling his old self repulsive would be understatement of the year, but Rudeus as a character is very likeable especially later on.

And the trope about isekai MCs being OP .. yeah, Rudeus might not be your average magician with incantationless magic, but he's but a fish in a big sea. I've read the manga till it's latest chapter and I wouldn't exactly call him OP.

I for one am very hyped about this series. I've read a lot of trashy and less trashy isekai, but this is one of those that stand out from the rest. Possibly AOTS if not even AOTY for me personally. Slime's S2 is a good contender too, though.
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Old 2021-01-11, 20:54   Link #42
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Ep. 1 was interesting, will see if it can stay that was in the long run.
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Old 2021-01-12, 00:04   Link #43
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Isekai itself may have been around since the 80s, yes, but the modern version of the genre didn't start until the late 2000s and early 2010s. Before that it was generally a much different game. The point is, it was there near the start and played a big role in establishing the tropes. It didn't create the tropes or introduce them to the genre, but it was still early on and both its take and its ultimate popularity played a big role in the development of the genre. At the very least, it's a little off to treat it as just another bit that does the exact same thing everything else does when it came around back when there really weren't that many in the "everyone else".
What are the tropes that MT popularized exactly? Serious question.

For example, Mobile Suit Gundam popularized the "masked gentleman antagonist with a lot of baggage"-archetype (among others) in the anime industry since late 70s. What did MT bring to the isekai genre?
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Old 2021-01-12, 00:31   Link #44
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What are the tropes that MT popularized exactly? Serious question.

For example, Mobile Suit Gundam popularized the "masked gentleman antagonist with a lot of baggage"-archetype (among others) in the anime industry since late 70s. What did MT bring to the isekai genre?
First time anyone got reincarnated after getting hit by a truck ?
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Old 2021-01-12, 01:48   Link #45
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-Reincarnation with memories since childhood
-training ahead proper age becoming OP (despite Rudeus is OP only locally, not globally)
-reincarnated into noble family
-adventure guild, rank system and dungeons
-obsession with Japanese food and baths
-multiple individuals transmigrating independently
Truck-kun of Isekai and othetwise loosers sacrificing themselves by jumping under it to save others
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There should be more, but it's been long time ago I read it.
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Old 2021-01-12, 05:12   Link #46
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LOL Yeah, it beat KonoSuba by 28 days in publication, but essentially the same time, although it was a parody on truck-kun by having a slow tractor instead.


Also, if anything, Knight's and Magic (2010), had the MC die by getting hit by a car.


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Yes, beat KonoSuba by 28 days, although it's not the first. Game isekai had this before, with Sword Art Online being the most famous (2002), although the .Hack series were even before that. However, the most concrete example of this is Log Horizon (2010) as a pure isekai.



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I'm not sure why this is listed, as it's in almost every anime since there were animes.



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I have no idea what you are referring to by this, but I'm sure it's done before.



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I guess if Truck-kun specifically, but vehicular deaths have occurred quite a bit before. See Knight's and Magic, as an example.



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Tenchi Muyou can be considered the series that made harems what it is today, and that's from the 1990's. To take that a bit further, Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari (2009), a sequel to Tenchi Muyou is an isekai (you can see it in the name) with that same concept.

Although yes, it does seem to have a lot of the formulae put together, it is not original in most senses as listed here for isekai. Most notably, Knight's and Magic has a lot of what you listed.


I can understand why some fans might want to list it the progenitor for modern isekai anime, but it's not that old nor is it that original in the tropes.


However, I can appreciate it for the story, and if it is good, I will enjoy it.
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Old 2021-01-12, 05:51   Link #47
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And I did say MT might took some cues from K&M. Thing is K&M didn't make a dent on genre. It's basically same as vikings discovering America first. Sure they did, but you attribute creation of USA or Canada to their efforts.

And neither SAO nor .Hack has anything to do with isekai. They also didn't have adventurer guild nor ranks as we use them now. It were games that had dungeons which is absolutely normal for games.

No, food and bath obsession is not common thing in anime and it certainly wasn't common in any non modern isekai.

Tenchi Muyo is from 1992, as great as it is, there weren't any copycats. Maybe if it was released 20 years later on Syosetsu it could replace MT as original modern isekai trend setter. Alas by that time there wasn't such free platform for creators.

Every modern isekai have most and often all those tropes. Because MT created template everyone use now. MT obviously vdidn't do everything first but it made it often first or relevant in context of Isekai and create package lot of people liked and copied. Now all isekai looks sama as result. If they were copying different sources stories would be more diverse.
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Old 2021-01-12, 08:13   Link #48
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Wait so Mushoku Tensei was only published in 2012, and November 22?

It might have set some tropes for subsequent Isekai, but it can't possibly have spawned the modern Isekai wave: Re: Zero, Tate no Yuusha, Overlord, Log Horizon, Youjo Senki, Konosuba have all been published before or the same year.
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Old 2021-01-12, 08:41   Link #49
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Yes, those are also progenitors.
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Old 2021-01-12, 15:44   Link #50
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@thundrakkon: While "Knight's & Magic" is older and one of the early ones which started using the "death by vehicle accident -> reincarnated in magical world" plot. But it didn't really set any trend, and even considered as an obscure series, mainly because of the slow pace and slow releases of the series and the fact that how it didn't yet get any proper releases (i know Crunchyroll released the Sub for its Anime, and is also translating the Manga, but the quality isn't really good with a lot of mistake in names and other stuff, and also the fact that it haven't been released in volume yet, and the LN isn't even licensed yet), even though personally i think that it had one of the better Anime adaptations out of all the Isekai based series until now.
The only reason it is still somewhat popular is because of its Mecha aspect and the feminine feature of male MC (i mean have you seen those body-size hug pillow of Eru).

But, on the other hand, MT along with all the series which released around the same time were the actual trend setter for the whole "Isekai" genre.
This is mainly to do with the fact that they had slightly different approach to the fact as to how an MC acts, and that almost none of them had an MC which followed the standard tropes of of the main character or Hero.

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By the way, is it true that "Season 2" for this series has already been confirmed? (because "myanimelist" list it as such)
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Old 2021-01-12, 23:40   Link #51
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While I say MT established things, I'm not really saying it originated anything, as others have noted. But it was a huge hit and played a huge role in turning isekai into a huge hit and setting many of the concepts. It very quickly soared to the top of the charts, held its place for a long while, and remains even now very high up well after finishing. It was at least as much an example to emulate as SAO.

I came across a video that gives a brief analysis of its impact:
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Old 2021-01-13, 08:43   Link #52
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Translation: "It's everything you know and are familiar with about isekai, with slightly competent world building."
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Old 2021-01-13, 08:59   Link #53
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I came across a video that gives a brief analysis of its impact
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Anyway, amazing adaption, i'm surprised of the huge amount of quality and details the animators put into this. Hope they will adapt more than 6 volumes and go more further covering the whole story.
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Old 2021-01-13, 11:14   Link #54
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Wait so Mushoku Tensei was only published in 2012, and November 22?

It might have set some tropes for subsequent Isekai, but it can't possibly have spawned the modern Isekai wave: Re: Zero, Tate no Yuusha, Overlord, Log Horizon, Youjo Senki, Konosuba have all been published before or the same year.
2012 was the LN publishing date, the important one was when the web novel started as that was 2010 while those you listed started (as web novels) 2012,2012,2012,2012,2012 and 2012. I actually checked em all up idividually as I expected diffrent years, but I kept it as is as it kind of makes a point. 2012 is still relevant as it's when MT becomes a paid success by being published as LN and it's success coincides with when those other series started. Supposedly so are Re:Zero and Konosuba athors fans of Mushoku Tensei as well. For Konosuba so is that kind of obvious as it's a satire and you kind of needed some earlier isekai to make an isekai satire.
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Old 2021-01-13, 11:25   Link #55
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Translation: "It's everything you know and are familiar with about isekai, with slightly competent world building."
I'd say more than "slightly". As stated, it's maintained its hold near the top for years, and played possibly as big a role as SAO in inspiring the boom to follow. And yeah, it plays things fairly straight, but as far as I've read seems to take a lot more care to do them right. Sort of the difference between trying to think up an excuse to have something and trying to think seriously of what it would really take to have it and what sort of effect it would have. One good example is his OP nature. He's not born with superpowers or anything, he just trains and learns and innovates, and on top of that we're there the whole way through. We don't get a brief look at his childhood, we're her to watch him grow and change, develop as a character from an old creep who'd think nothing of skipping his parents' funeral to jerk off to loli porn to a mature, proper man who truly cares about those around him and would put his own life on the line to protect them.
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2012 was the LN publishing date, the important one was when the web novel started as that was 2010 while those you listed started (as web novels) 2012,2012,2012,2012,2012 and 2012. I actually checked em all up idividually as I expected diffrent years, but I kept it as is as it kind of makes a point. 2012 is still relevant as it's when MT becomes a paid success by being published as LN and it's success coincides with when those other series started. Supposedly so are Re:Zero and Konosuba athors fans of Mushoku Tensei as well. For Konosuba so is that kind of obvious as it's a satire and you kind of needed some earlier isekai to make an isekai satire.
That contradicts what Wikipedia says. It states that November 22 2012 is the day it was first published on narou as a web novel and it states that it was first published as a Light Novel in January 24 2014.

Do you have a different source?
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That contradicts what Wikipedia says. It states that November 22 2012 is the day it was first published on narou as a web novel and it states that it was first published as a Light Novel in January 24 2014.

Do you have a different source?
I had a diffrent source, but can't find it right now and you are right in that when I checked the syosetu site so did it say 2012. But from a fansite so did I find out that he inintially published his web novel at his own site and only later uploaded it to syosetu and I guess that is why there are some confusion about the dates. I admit that this is a bit unfair as I used syosetu date for most of the other series.

Also, the relevant date for the LN would be when it was announced, not when the first volume was published as the fact that it was announced made it clear that you could get published writing this type of Isekai.
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Also, the relevant date for the LN would be when it was announced, not when the first volume was published as the fact that it was announced made it clear that you could get published writing this type of Isekai.
I don't think that's relevant, since we are talking about setting tropes and establishing standards. Moreover you previously talked about how Konosuba is a parody. You can't really do that on the basis of an announcement alone.

Not to mention that Knight's & Magic already proved you could write that type of Isekai two years before.
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I don't think that's relevant, since we are talking about setting tropes and establishing standards. Moreover you previously talked about how Konosuba is a parody. You can't really do that on the basis of an announcement alone.

Not to mention that Knight's & Magic already proved you could write that type of Isekai two years before.
Ah, but the athors read it when it was just a web novel, that it got published was significant as it showed them that it was possible to get an Isekai published, not that they found out about it at that time. As mentioned, so are at least two of them self proclaimed fans of Mushoku Tensei, so they obviously did read it.
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I am pretty sure the claim that Mushoku being 2010 is untrue.
I have been doing some verification here and there. But found no indication that it was written in 2010.
The writer might have conceptualized the Six Fold World in 2010. But can't find any indication that Mushoku itself was written in 2010.
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