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Old 2021-04-08, 03:18   Link #61
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Both Tappei Nagatsuki and Eiji Umehara wear glasses. So, they finally write story about "Smart Glasses".
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Old 2021-04-08, 04:17   Link #62
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Just got around to watching the first 2 episodes. Really enjoyed the show =03. Interesting theme; I recently re-watched Armatige the Third, and I get a lot of the same vibes from it as I do this show. Vivy reminds me of Key(Key: The Metal Idol) and I absolutely love that character! The way Kuma...er Matsumoto interacts with her was definitely the highlight of the story for me so far. I remember long ago I asked for a characterization like this long ago . Not exactly the same, but the dynamic between them has a similar effect on my enjoyment. I'm not sure how the writing will hold up by the end, but her journey that will undoubtedly make her more 'human' is definitely something I'm looking forward to watching unfold. That scene shift at the end of the 2nd episode really grabbed me. Poor Vivy ; I got the rain/implied tear effect there, and, most of all, it really makes me want to see her find some kind of happiness out of all of this.

side note: The AI program that Teddy(i'll use this to refer to him from now on cause it sounds cute and using Matsumoto might be confusing later on, if the person in question appears in story) seem... well really advanced. Unnaturally so... human-like. Teddy cut it off, but I wouldn't be surprised if this shows the precursor to what AIs will become in the future, as the future part in the beg of the 1st episode showed 0 signs of having the same.... colorfulness in their personalities.
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The assemblyman's survival was NECESSARY because his death directly contributed to the robopocaypse. His life was relevant to the mission. The 300 people were not.
Welp, looks like they'll ultimately fail this cause the power of Vivy's words will change assemblyman's ideals and he'll push for the reform anyways .
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Old 2021-04-08, 11:01   Link #63
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Time travel stories are always very tricky. Matsumoto (teddy bear) brags about all this knowledge he has of future events. He mentions how the assemblyman starts a whole huge chain of events that eventually leads to the AI rebellion in the future. He doesn't want to make major changes.


However, the assemblyman is significant. Saving the assemblyman is significant. The future has already been altered in a major way. In that regards, the information Matsumoto has about the future is no longer accurate. Even the interactions with the assassins has caused changes.


So anything Matsumoto says about preventing major changes is just pure BS and wrong at this moment. Also, if he can still display future events with pinpoint accuracy, then the author of this series has no idea how time travel changes really work.


I've enjoyed the series so far, but Matsumoto bragging about having 100 years of history sounds pretty inaccurate at this point. He used to have it, but it should be flawed at this moment.
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Old 2021-04-08, 11:26   Link #64
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Time travel stories are always very tricky. Matsumoto (teddy bear) brags about all this knowledge he has of future events. He mentions how the assemblyman starts a whole huge chain of events that eventually leads to the AI rebellion in the future. He doesn't want to make major changes.


However, the assemblyman is significant. Saving the assemblyman is significant. The future has already been altered in a major way. In that regards, the information Matsumoto has about the future is no longer accurate. Even the interactions with the assassins has caused changes.


So anything Matsumoto says about preventing major changes is just pure BS and wrong at this moment. Also, if he can still display future events with pinpoint accuracy, then the author of this series has no idea how time travel changes really work.


I've enjoyed the series so far, but Matsumoto bragging about having 100 years of history sounds pretty inaccurate at this point. He used to have it, but it should be flawed at this moment.
Yep. Butterfly effect, as I mentioned.
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Old 2021-04-08, 11:35   Link #65
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Or, Matsumoto‘s calculations about the assemblyman were basically correct and he will fall from power soon. I totally think the guy learned something about living life to the fullest. And sure, there’s a chance he’ll push even harder for that new law... but he might instead decide being hunted by terrorists for something he was only using to gain votes isn’t what he wants for his life.

I really like the “it’s ok to save him because he is a nobody” they did. Clever writing there. But, if the guy drops out of supporting the law, no matter the actual reason, then history is more or less preserved.
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Old 2021-04-08, 15:01   Link #66
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What a surprise.

I thought this would be one of those idol series, turns out it's a spy action thriller. Too bad about that plane though.
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Old 2021-04-08, 17:16   Link #67
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Except he wasn't insignificant. His death was the trigger for everything that happens afterward. Even if he steps down, the motivation for what's to come was changed. It's not clever writing to try and say, "oh, he's insignificant ", to make up for bad writing. He was significant enough to have a time traveling AI to save him.
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Old 2021-04-08, 20:29   Link #68
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Except he wasn't insignificant. His death was the trigger for everything that happens afterward. Even if he steps down, the motivation for what's to come was changed. It's not clever writing to try and say, "oh, he's insignificant ", to make up for bad writing. He was significant enough to have a time traveling AI to save him.
His death was significant, the calculations seem to say his life is insignificant. If you believe the completely untrustworthy bear.
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Old 2021-04-08, 22:10   Link #69
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I think people who believe Matsumoto are evil are going to be disappointed by the end of the series. If not for Matsumoto, Diva would never find out about the threat to humanity from AIs in the future. The whole premise banks on Matsumoto being sent to the past from the professor to inform Diva of the threat and to put her on the path of saving humanity.

I am not ruling out that Matsumoto could be wrong in suggesting that Aikawa is no longer a problem because he's insignificant in the movement to develop AIs aside from the role his death plays in the movement since he was trying to pander for votes with his support for the AI naming law, but to say that Matsumoto is evil just because it doesn't fully trust Diva, which the AI literally indicated in Episode 2, since she isn't its idea of the ideal candidate for the mission seems to be quite a logical leap.

I will say that if this show is stuck in a time loop as I previously suggested, then Matsumoto's projections and calculations of how an event alteration affects the timeline is probably not without flaws as otherwise there would be no loop if everything was going as intended. If that's the case, there is clearly something Matsumoto cannot foresee that is causing the Singularity Project to fail every time it happens, and I'm looking forward to seeing what that will involve provided that the show will touch upon this.

In my eyes, assuming there actually is a time loop, the professor knowing that this is a time loop shows that he comes into contact with Diva and Matsumoto at some point when he is younger before actually creating Matsumoto in all timelines aside from the original timeline, and that is how the professor knows it's a time loop, leading to him saying he's going to make Vivy play her role as the potential saviour of humanity one more time.
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Old 2021-04-09, 03:09   Link #70
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So anything Matsumoto says about preventing major changes is just pure BS and wrong at this moment. Also, if he can still display future events with pinpoint accuracy, then the author of this series has no idea how time travel changes really work.


I've enjoyed the series so far, but Matsumoto bragging about having 100 years of history sounds pretty inaccurate at this point. He used to have it, but it should be flawed at this moment.
It should be flawed, but not completely inaccurate. It's also a common time travel trope for major events to have stickiness or convergence. Sometimes it's borne out of a limitation of the time traveling device that _prevents_ the user from traveling outside a set of timelines with a certain property (like in a famous anime with a semicolon). Sometimes, it's a socioeconomic development that happens with great likelihood given natural course of human history (Asimov psychohistory).

By analogy, if a known course of a future should be abandoned as irrelevant as soon as it has branched off, then we might as well not study our _own_ history. But we study it, often to inform us of future actions and to predict outcomes. And it's obviously better than nothing. So Matsumoto's knowledge has simply become less than perfect, but certainly still better than nothing.

It would be useful to stand in Matsumoto's shoes. You were sent back in time 100 years into the past to prevent World War 2. What do you do? Theorize a list of conditions that enabled WW2 to occur. You can imagine it's more than one person, more than one factor. Then, you try to preempt those conditions one by one, and make sure they stay preempted. You will rely on your knowledge of your timeline's history to inform your actions, even as it gets less accurate, it'll always serve as a good reference.
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Old 2021-04-09, 20:17   Link #71
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Time travel stories are always very tricky. Matsumoto (teddy bear) brags about all this knowledge he has of future events. He mentions how the assemblyman starts a whole huge chain of events that eventually leads to the AI rebellion in the future. He doesn't want to make major changes.


However, the assemblyman is significant. Saving the assemblyman is significant. The future has already been altered in a major way. In that regards, the information Matsumoto has about the future is no longer accurate. Even the interactions with the assassins has caused changes.


So anything Matsumoto says about preventing major changes is just pure BS and wrong at this moment. Also, if he can still display future events with pinpoint accuracy, then the author of this series has no idea how time travel changes really work.


I've enjoyed the series so far, but Matsumoto bragging about having 100 years of history sounds pretty inaccurate at this point. He used to have it, but it should be flawed at this moment.
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Yep. Butterfly effect, as I mentioned.
Problem with Time Travel stories is, every writer as their own way to write it with their own set of rules as they needed it.

I don't think Matsumoto is evil, for starters define evil and I think than concept can only be aplied to humans. As of now Matsumoto is basically a program, super advanced but ultimately a program. Only executing their programation, unable to understand the working of such abstract concepts like feelings, emotions, good or bad. You can't ask sympathy of a machine unless you make it with the capacity to emulate something similar as seems the case with Diva.
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Old 2021-04-10, 11:45   Link #72
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Wow, 15 years already. A little late to be saying this, but I really appreciate Vivy's stage outfit, really puffy and lacking in sex appeal. I take her character seriously and the last thing I want is my ding dong going off.

Unfortunately, it seems Vivy's little speech gave that politician some backbone. But I'm beginning to see the resolution of this show. Matsumoto's words imply that the AI revolution wasn't the result of some twisted logic or malfunction, but the result of AI and human tension. In light of their plan backfiring and an even stronger AI naming law, rather than stop AI evolution, Vivy will end up bringing peace between AI and humans.

As for Estella, assuming she was responsible for the crash, I would guess her motive is to sabotage future space exploration. She seems to genuinely take her mission as a caretaker. The previous owner's death in a space accident may have convinced her of the dangers space exploration poses to the humans she cherishes.
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Old 2021-04-10, 11:52   Link #73
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Wow! Episode 3 was one heck of an awesome episode. I don't know how I'm going to make it to next week to watch the next one!
  • I think a lot of us anticipated the 15 year time skip, and I was glad to see that the hints about the assemblyman gaining a new perspective on life were not a random moment. Diva really did change him!
  • I thought we were going to have a Colony Drop based on very quick flashes in one of the PV's, and once I saw in last week's preview we were going to a space hotel... yeah, it all connected.
  • The contents of the bulk of the episode were great. I love real life space. I love fictional space. So, this hit all my interests. From the awed travelers, to the zero-g kids time, to the singing among the stars, the space tourism was fantastic!
  • Vivy's snooping around was good too. It really seems Estella was genuine about loving space and making people happy. She had a good answer for the question of heart, even. Which makes the last few minutes of the episode even more tense and fascinating!
  • So, so many twist in the last few minutes! Momoka's younger sister... aged 15 years so she is a bit older than Momoka when she died! Wow! I did not expect another hit to the feels from the death of that girl!
  • The AI's of Sunrise jointly planning to destroy the station?! Why? For what reason?! Estella killing off the other AI after being handed something mysterious even though they were both in on a plan that's been accelerated? Why!? I think it must have something to do with either the concept of family or maybe Estella and the others are being recalled or removed from running the hotel??
  • And all these strong twists are literally in the last minute and a half of the episode. It was one shocked gasp after another for me! And then the preview. Vivy now has a strong reason to save the people of the station. It looks like she might even allow Matsumoto to install the combat software to assist in her new goal. Dang... that's good writing!
  • And music is still a part of it all. The some under the stars was beautiful. Also, did this episode actually have an OP, or was Diva's singing at the amusement part a one off? I'm thinking this show has no real OPs or EDs and they're just going to flow into the story each time.
  • Finally.... why did Diva's AI symbol blink red as she left the stage at the beginning. I believe that's the first ever instance we've seen of that, not counting the AI uprising in the future! What is going on there!

This episode went way above my already high expectations. From Diva's role in changing the future to the twists at the end. It was simply... stellar. I cannot wait to see what comes next!
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Old 2021-04-10, 12:27   Link #74
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Old 2021-04-10, 21:00   Link #75
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From episode 3 to the preview of ep 4, I wonder if these AIs are just the perfect terrorist cells.
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Old 2021-04-10, 21:46   Link #76
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There were three or four armed men at the end of the preview, with a focus on the center one. Could that be... Terrorist Boy 15 years later??
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Bear Kyubey is still as annoying and psychotic as ever, but Vivy clearly has learned a thing or two in the last 15 years. I'll reserve judgement on the whole thing until next episode, but still leaning heavily towards Bear Kyubey being evil. And probably responsible for the whole AI rebellion, as others already have said.
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Old 2021-04-11, 07:04   Link #78
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I guess we are getting that 100 years journey, I hope. Awesome episode! I loved how the series is taking its time building up the mystery and Vivy’s character. This episode especially, there was something sensitive with the writing, and Vivy herself especially feels authentic despite being an AI.
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Ah yes, Sunrise dropping satellites and Sisters. Definitely heard this somewhere before, like Vivy said. Maybe the enemy will show their Stand too next episode.
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Old 2021-04-11, 21:09   Link #80
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Okay, I didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying for that Vivy is working off a prototype story that Tappei had written instead of the case with Sigururi in which he was asked to come up with something that spends a lot of time in the skies on short notice. All I got from Sigururi was that Tappei is interested in North mythology but had not fully thought up a proper story involving it.
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Problem with Time Travel stories is, every writer as their own way to write it with their own set of rules as they needed it.

I don't think Matsumoto is evil, for starters define evil and I think than concept can only be aplied to humans. As of now Matsumoto is basically a program, super advanced but ultimately a program. Only executing their programation, unable to understand the working of such abstract concepts like feelings, emotions, good or bad. You can't ask sympathy of a machine unless you make it with the capacity to emulate something similar as seems the case with Diva.
Agree with this. I'm open to Matsumotot being evil, but not because he is utilitarian. Unlike Al, Matsumoto doesn't really view itself more than of a machine that's carrying out its directive. Its not interested anything beyond that, so he's hardly making his more questions out of any malice, just ones taht led him to only the most optimal result.

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Wow, 15 years already. A little late to be saying this, but I really appreciate Vivy's stage outfit, really puffy and lacking in sex appeal. I take her character seriously and the last thing I want is my ding dong going off.

Unfortunately, it seems Vivy's little speech gave that politician some backbone. But I'm beginning to see the resolution of this show. Matsumoto's words imply that the AI revolution wasn't the result of some twisted logic or malfunction, but the result of AI and human tension. In light of their plan backfiring and an even stronger AI naming law, rather than stop AI evolution, Vivy will end up bringing peace between AI and humans.

As for Estella, assuming she was responsible for the crash, I would guess her motive is to sabotage future space exploration. She seems to genuinely take her mission as a caretaker. The previous owner's death in a space accident may have convinced her of the dangers space exploration poses to the humans she cherishes.
This pretty good take, I'd like to add that I don't Matsumoto ever to stop Al evolution, just slow it down. I think partly when not too bothered about the result of a new law's passage, just how old one came about.
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