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The one gripe I have at the moment with requests is when users post stock/source images not in thumbnails or in spoiler tags. My d/l speed isn't particularly brilliant where I am... Edit: I'm not sure about this. After taking a couple of minutes skimming through the recent request pages, the active designers that are regularly carrying out requests do not seem bothered about the requester's join date/post count/sig usage, and the designers that do take issue with these requesters are going to be the ones who create/join the designers guild; thus making it fairly redundant. |
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2010-12-08, 18:04 | Link #24 |
「Darkly Charismatic 」
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I have yet to read the full posts on this thread
But I give my FULL support to whatever has been said here. This needs to end NOW. Get rid of the leechers and tourists. I'm saying this as an old veteran who has been on these boards for nearly 3 years now. I have tried to keep it clean in the request threads a few months ago, by saying they don't deserve to request them, but to no avail. I am in full support of this thread!
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2010-12-08, 18:18 | Link #25 | |
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I wouldn't mind if they outright said that they intend to use the sig elsewhere (then I can make a better decision) but when they sneakily ask for sigs and then disappear...it does hurt. And I'm thinking some sig makers may be a bit like me (especially those who are new to making requests) - who weren't really initially aware of this. Also, the number of hit&runs are increasing quite a bit lately and that's where it becomes quite a nuisance (even for me now).
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2010-12-08, 18:32 | Link #26 | |
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Heck, at first I was the only one who actually voiced protest against these kind of people in the request threads, and after a while Dist helped me out to try and reduce these Request Tourists. And after I went MIA (inactive for +-4-5 months) it looks like Dist took over my job (Which I am grateful for, as seeing this, he made much more progress than I ever could) I'm glad more and more people are beginning to see this.
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2010-12-08, 18:45 | Link #27 |
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For some people, I think there might be a lack of simply viewing the profiles of some people. Some users, such as the one that I cited earlier known as GuardianZax has been here since Febuary of this year, and that some sig-makers might think that alone is enough to say someone requesting is legit, when really, Zax has only made 22 posts, all in the requests thread.
I do believe that there needs to be a minimum post limit (such as 50 or so posts outside of Fan Creations) and/or a minimum of being a productive member of this forum for about a month. However, that's where we still have problems. We still have the long-time hit-and-run requesters such as Zax, and or perhaps worse, people spamming random crap on our forum pages just to hit the minimum. But, here's where we still have another problem... there are still some users here who are actually willing enough to make one of these signatures that are for use outside of this forum, and as long as people continue to choose to make said signatures, we can't really get rid of leechers, as they'll continue exploiting certain willing users to get signatures for outside us I can't offer a real sure-way to stop this (granted, I don't think any of us can), and I'm disappointed that we have to take such measures, but I'm even more disappointed at some people's persistence in using our skills and our creativity in ways they were not intended to. age.
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2010-12-08, 18:47 | Link #28 | |
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2010-12-08, 19:09 | Link #29 | |
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The guild does seem like the only possible semi-solution. Most people who are doing requests now will probably join it. I'm really against the post-count because that could lead to some serious post spamming - and I hate to see that happen on our lovely forum.
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2010-12-08, 19:16 | Link #30 | ||
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2010-12-08, 19:19 | Link #31 |
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Heck, as a long time sig maker I'd even whip up special emblems for people to put on their sigs to show they know the rules and help stop leechers.
Think of it as a Crusade. Sounds nice. And yes, a Guild has been in my mind for over a year now. a group where every graphic designer could join (I am aware of already existing groups like this, but most of those are very inactive) But never really got around to creating it.
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2010-12-08, 20:16 | Link #32 |
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"There is no cure, only reprieve."
From my understanding, the guild would have pre-set rules for requests, right? The point I made earlier was that some of the designers are perfectly willing to accept request regardless of whether the requester is going to leech the signature. Therefore, that would deem the guild and it's rules redundant, as there are always going to be designers who take on the requests. Like others had previously said quite a few times, the only thing we can do is to remind designers of the rules and of possible leechers. After all, not every requester is going to be a leecher, and bashing new members isn't very nice :3 |
2010-12-08, 20:31 | Link #33 | ||
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I do want to say, please don't antagonize anyone, though. If someone wants to make a signature for someone who arguably doesn't deserve it, it's still their right to do whatever they want. And new posters won't be familiar with this on-going debate, so there's no point in getting angry with them about it either -- informing, maybe, but be nice. Edit: See also JRendell's post above; too slow. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to add a "Statement of Principle" to the opening post of these threads that goes something like this: Quote:
Would that be helpful? (I am of course open to changes to the wording too; it's just something I made up.)
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2010-12-08, 20:44 | Link #34 |
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I think the guild and statement of principle are the best ideas.
I might be open to making sigs for other forum use, but perhaps the person could pm me, get the sig after it's finished, and leave but delete their account. Hell, I don't think there's really a solution but the ideas presented of the guild and SOP are the closest.
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2010-12-08, 20:46 | Link #35 | |
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2010-12-08, 21:19 | Link #36 | |
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well...yeah. Leechers=bad.
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2010-12-08, 21:39 | Link #37 | |
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...er...I wouldn't call this a crusade...just being helpful - tis all (prevent any controversial outbursts like we've seen or could see).
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2010-12-09, 04:15 | Link #38 |
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, agree with those I did read. A maybe silly suggestion to throw into the discussion.. why not like account name change set up a rule that you can only request for a new sig/av every 5-7 days? Like the account name change that you can only do like once in a long time but then shorter. I don't know how many of you makers are regular lurkers in those topics surely you should be able to pin point who requests daily or so and doesn't use it, report and to give them a warning through one of the mods :/
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2010-12-09, 04:44 | Link #39 | |
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2010-12-09, 08:28 | Link #40 | |
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(for use on-and-off the board) I don't think implementing rules now will work anymore, we've passed that stage. The problem could have been adressed a few months back, but when I tried, I got serious and severe backlashes by the other users on these boards (--> Nudge to the anonymous neg repper that scorned me, yes I know who you are) The case here is when these people request-and-run to the outer reaches of the internet, they take the sig there and flout around with it. Heck they might even tell their friends about where and how they got it. Which leads them right to here. We have a nearly constant supply of talented artists so ofcourse they would come here, it's easy pickings. All we have to do is -nothing- And when I say nothing, I mean complete apathy to these kinds of requests. My advice to all of you would be, always check on your client before making his sig. Look at his profile, look at his posts, do your research If this were real life you could be making nukes or explosives for terrorist countries without even knowing it.
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