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Bri · 2013-04-28, 21:13

Confusing yet interesting, is all I can say. 3.0 is going to take me a while to digest. Love it though, this is what animation is all about, pushing the envelope of imagination. Don't think I've seen anything this mental since Akira.

RRW · 2013-04-28, 22:23

It have some flaw but i dont understand why people think "IT'S THE WORSE MOVIER EVAR!!!!!!!!!"

is no way near worse movie. the major only complain is the timeskip leave so many unanswered question. but pretty sure Anno (Whether if it's trolling or not) want audience to feel same way (read confuse) as shinji as this majority of timeskip question never been answered in the movie

creb · 2013-04-28, 22:30

I kind of regret I said it was so boring, if only because it lumps me in the "hate it crowd" filled with people who hate it for purposes I completely do not agree with (the time skip, changing blah blah blah blah blah, etc).

Mechanistically, I think they did a fine job with 3.0, even if I personally very much dislike emo Shinji. And, if I take the entire movie series as one unit, I find it far superior to the original TV show, so far. Ok, sure, the "curse" that makes the pilots not age is a bit out there, and we all know it was just so he can keep drawing loli jail bait in tight costumes, but I generally applaud much of the directing decisions he's made throughout this movie series reimagining.

I remember when they first announced this project, my immediate response was "oh yay, another cash grab to go along with their 98728967982692 different releases of the tv series", and I'm really glad that it wasn't just a hastily put together re-mastering of the tv show, but a new (while continuing to hold to much of the original themes) take on it instead.

topboy · 2013-04-28, 22:59

Eva 2.22 is great for me because look like Rei had a chance here but after watch 3.33 It was so obvious that Asuka is end game girl while Rei is just stand there.

creb · 2013-04-28, 23:17

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Originally Posted by topboy

Eva 2.22 is great for me because look like Rei had a chance here but after watch 3.33 It was so obvious that Asuka is end game girl while Rei is just stand there.

I generally hate "shipping", but this comment seems so out there I had to respond. It seems far more obvious that this version of Rei is also going to now have an opportunity to be "saved" that it seems weird for those who enjoy shipping to write her off for such a nonsensical reason.

Myssa Rei · 2013-04-28, 23:34

The shipping comment came from left field, I have to agree. ^^; Given the stuff to actually criticize this time around, ship sinking was the last thing I'd expect to be griped about.

Calca · 2013-04-29, 03:03

So uh, where exactly did the Rei that Shinji saved in 2.0 go again?

LeoXiao · 2013-04-29, 03:12

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Originally Posted by Calca

So uh, where exactly did the Rei that Shinji saved in 2.0 go again?

analysis on another forum says that she's stuck in Eva 01.

EmagEvil · 2013-04-29, 04:01

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Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

It's not the only one either. You know the choir-tune that plays during Asuka's battle with Evangelion Mk.04 (never identified as such in the movie but according to the booklet that came with the DVD, that's what that thing was) at the start of the movie?

Yeah. Granted, I only know this because TVTropes pointed it out, seeing as how I have never seen Nadia.

Yeah, i noticed this music looks familiar but i didn't know it was from Nadia too! So much music references from the Gainax's 80th hit!

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Originally Posted by Solafighter

The music...The ship... It's the same... I feel so trolled, right now.. What the hell is going on!

Well duh, the ship is not very the same but the musics are! It's not trolling, it's hommage i'm telling ya!

Like, dislike, i don't dislike it but the 2nd movie is still the best for me!

Zekori · 2013-04-29, 08:37

To be honest, I have no idea why they even bothered with the Rei clone in the narrative of 3.0

They already built up Rei in 2.0 ~ 3.0, except they are trying to do the very same with Rei-2.

Going further back onto discussion, I still stand by my opinion that this is a terrible movie. You can be perfectly dark and have a plot that leaves so many unquestioned answers that leave you wanting to know "what", like NIER is a perfectly good example.

Spoiler for Long, but in case of spoilers I guess.:

3.0? It's trying too hard to be surreal, vague, shocking, deep, and artsy. There's nothing wrong about that, except for the fact it lacked execution. 2.0 pulled it off pretty well with the Water Purification Lab or how the Geofront city worked in its scenery porn moments. This movie, however spent way too much time padding with shots of the ruined earth, or other arbitrary stuff that could have been used to lead into exposition or more effect means of presenting the story.

My biggest beef is actually character development, it goes right out the window. Everyone, except Gendo since he pretty much never established a character outside of being a prick and that gets a pass because fans are supposed to know his background. Since Shinji is the main character, its a bit crap when the character takes a complete 180 from any development he had in the last two movies, and literally acts like a video game character becoming retarded during a major cutscene. So much that its portrayal is reminiscent of a really bad fan fiction or one of those crappy Evangelion spinoff manga's.

Other things that are out there, that are just

- "Curse of Evangelion", really? Really? Frivolous in-joke or not, if they were going to have a time skip at least let them age. You could have had Mari/Misato trolling Asuka for being twice the age of her crush and having terrible UST or some crap. But nope, too lazy to come up with character designs (despite creating Misato's crew for their total of 2~4 minutes of total appearance time) or catering to the most terrible niche fan base there is.

- Magic Floating Ship using EVA1 (specifically, since it "awakened" aka probably a physical god at this point or something) and the crew being able to strap that thing on and hook it up in an insanely ridiculously low amount of time? The laser cannons didn't even malfunction because they basically have the freaking Zohar, yet were calibrated to perfectly- ah whatever, I'm done. It's retarded. I don't know why I bothered typing all this crap anyways.

matrigs · 2013-04-29, 09:57

would actually anyone care to explain (if it's possible, of course):

Spoiler for spoiler:

Yot-chan · 2013-04-29, 10:58

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Originally Posted by matrigs

would actually anyone care to explain (if it's possible, of course):

Spoiler for spoiler:

Spoiler for Conjecture...:

AmeNoJaku · 2013-04-29, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Problem is in this case it's you, and people in the thread already know you hate the Rebuild movies with a passion. Yet here you are, prepping to watch something you hate, so you can hate on it more. It's pretty much a self-defeating and wasteful cycle if you ask me, as you'll end up hating it anyway, which will feed your hate for the last movie.

Save yourself the trouble.

This... guys you do realize that you were thinking about what to complain for several months now... I mean you have already decided that you will not enjoy the movie, but still watch in order to rationalize it.

As for being confusing, I don't think so, unless one expects to watch some sci-fi show for teens. The 3rd movie builds up on where the TV and EoE left the franchise, without interest in that, one can only appreciate the visuals (which were great in between), and if he wants more character build-up and explanations, there are literally hundred of doujinshi!

Personally, I prefer the original TV ending, that concluded the story, but both the old and new movies expanded a little bit the universe while updating the visuals, for which I can not complain, but could also leave without.

matrigs · 2013-04-29, 11:27

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Spoiler for Conjecture...:

Spoiler for spoiler:

Jan-Poo · 2013-04-29, 11:36

I just watched this and frankly I don't know what to think.

I don't think it makes sense to judge the many changes that they have made in respect to the original story, because this isn't an adaption and it blatantly tries to retell everything in a different way.

I could point out, for example, that in the original anime "Ikari" was Yui's maiden's name and that Gendo's family name was Rokubungi. Does it matter? Probably not, I'm just baffled as to why it should have been changed, it's irrelevant either way.

The problem is that if this is a retelling of an old story I expect that there must be a reason for adding new parts to it. Now what was the purpose of this whole movie? Honestly I don't get it.

60% of it is an action packed mecha fanservice which doesn't even bother to explain itself.

The whole plot revolves around the attempt to trigger the 4th impact apparently orchestrated and directed by two men in the middle of nowhere. How they could sustain themselves for 14 years is totally left to our imagination. Perhaps it was too costly to show that they have henchmen and soldiers scattered around the ruin of NERV.

But just why did we need another failed impact event? It just seems redundant and not exactly what I'd expect from good writing. Perhaps it's not something that I would define bad, but it's still pointless.

At least the first time it was something emotional for many reasons. But this time it was just, well who cares, the world is already a mess anyway.

Both Shinji and Kaworu just turn out to be marionettes who can't do anything but following their predetermined roles. Hey this is neither what Shinji wants or what Kaworu wants, but the first just suddenly decided to stop listening to Kaworu and Kaworu just stopped to be the awesome manipulator that he's always been. He suddenly gives up on his project to make Shinji happy, even though he logically could and should have stopped him.

Everything proceeds to Gendo's satisfaction without him taking any apparent action. He's either an incredibly optimistic lucky bastard or La Place's demon itself. Apparently even Wille's intervention was all part of his plan.

And then what is the purpose of Mari again? She has no character development whatsoever, and they ripped away the one that Asuka had. Just looking at them and their interactions... it was like watching Fleur Blanc and Elena Peoples from Eureka 7 AO all over again. Just how could Evangelion turn out to be reminiscent of one of the most mediocre robo anime of the last decade?

I don't know, I suppose this anime isn't that bad if you disconnect your brain and you just enjoy the action and the awesome mecha animation. Enjoyable as long as it last is the best that it can be, I'm still left with the feeling that I wouldn't have lost anything if I watched something else.

matrigs · 2013-04-29, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

And then what is the purpose of Mari again?

Mari is too knowledgeful to be just a minor character, and i assume that in the last chapter it will be reveiled that she had in fact a very important rule.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

I feel some Madoka-style ending with this one. Or even something more epic. One thing for sure is that a lot of characters know more than they are showing.

desrtsku · 2013-04-29, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

too long

The point of the movie? It's in the title, Shinji fucked up he wanted to repair his errors but he just couldn't ... just as simple as that. Also, the 3rd impact wasn't a failure it successfully happened, all what Kaworu did was preventing it from spreading.
Also I don't understand why you're calling it an alternate retelling ... it's obviously a sequel to EoE considering the shit-tons amount of hints given in the entire 3 movies by kaworu.

Jan-Poo · 2013-04-29, 12:01

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Originally Posted by desrtsku

it's obviously a sequel to EoE considering the shit-tons amount of hints given in the entire 3 movies by kaworu.

I thought this wasn't universally accepted.

Though I must say that it's not like I would really welcome yet another parallel universe theory exploitation or yet another time loop situation.

Evangelion was better off without such overused plot devices.

desrtsku · 2013-04-29, 12:05

^ heh ... but Neon Genesis Evangelion was an amalgam of such things in the first place you know ...

Jan-Poo · 2013-04-29, 12:09

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Originally Posted by desrtsku

^ heh ... but Neon Genesis Evangelion was an amalgam of such things in the first place you know ...

No, actually I don't.

Is this what people think about Evangelion these days? That it was about parallel universes and time loops?

I've read a lot of crazy theories and interpretations back when Eva became popular in the west around 1999, but this is a first.

2013-04-28, 22:30	Link #723
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	I kind of regret I said it was so boring, if only because it lumps me in the "hate it crowd" filled with people who hate it for purposes I completely do not agree with (the time skip, changing blah blah blah blah blah, etc). Mechanistically, I think they did a fine job with 3.0, even if I personally very much dislike emo Shinji. And, if I take the entire movie series as one unit, I find it far superior to the original TV show, so far. Ok, sure, the "curse" that makes the pilots not age is a bit out there, and we all know it was just so he can keep drawing loli jail bait in tight costumes, but I generally applaud much of the directing decisions he's made throughout this movie series reimagining. I remember when they first announced this project, my immediate response was "oh yay, another cash grab to go along with their 98728967982692 different releases of the tv series", and I'm really glad that it wasn't just a hastily put together re-mastering of the tv show, but a new (while continuing to hold to much of the original themes) take on it instead. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

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Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	I just watched this and frankly I don't know what to think. I don't think it makes sense to judge the many changes that they have made in respect to the original story, because this isn't an adaption and it blatantly tries to retell everything in a different way. I could point out, for example, that in the original anime "Ikari" was Yui's maiden's name and that Gendo's family name was Rokubungi. Does it matter? Probably not, I'm just baffled as to why it should have been changed, it's irrelevant either way. The problem is that if this is a retelling of an old story I expect that there must be a reason for adding new parts to it. Now what was the purpose of this whole movie? Honestly I don't get it. 60% of it is an action packed mecha fanservice which doesn't even bother to explain itself. The whole plot revolves around the attempt to trigger the 4th impact apparently orchestrated and directed by two men in the middle of nowhere. How they could sustain themselves for 14 years is totally left to our imagination. Perhaps it was too costly to show that they have henchmen and soldiers scattered around the ruin of NERV. But just why did we need another failed impact event? It just seems redundant and not exactly what I'd expect from good writing. Perhaps it's not something that I would define bad, but it's still pointless. At least the first time it was something emotional for many reasons. But this time it was just, well who cares, the world is already a mess anyway. Both Shinji and Kaworu just turn out to be marionettes who can't do anything but following their predetermined roles. Hey this is neither what Shinji wants or what Kaworu wants, but the first just suddenly decided to stop listening to Kaworu and Kaworu just stopped to be the awesome manipulator that he's always been. He suddenly gives up on his project to make Shinji happy, even though he logically could and should have stopped him. Everything proceeds to Gendo's satisfaction without him taking any apparent action. He's either an incredibly optimistic lucky bastard or La Place's demon itself. Apparently even Wille's intervention was all part of his plan. And then what is the purpose of Mari again? She has no character development whatsoever, and they ripped away the one that Asuka had. Just looking at them and their interactions... it was like watching Fleur Blanc and Elena Peoples from Eureka 7 AO all over again. Just how could Evangelion turn out to be reminiscent of one of the most mediocre robo anime of the last decade? I don't know, I suppose this anime isn't that bad if you disconnect your brain and you just enjoy the action and the awesome mecha animation. Enjoyable as long as it last is the best that it can be, I'm still left with the feeling that I wouldn't have lost anything if I watched something else. __________________

2013-04-28, 21:13	Link #721
Bri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Confusing yet interesting, is all I can say. 3.0 is going to take me a while to digest. Love it though, this is what animation is all about, pushing the envelope of imagination. Don't think I've seen anything this mental since Akira.

2013-04-29, 03:03	Link #727
Calca Expressionless Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Walking on the path known as life	So uh, where exactly did the Rei that Shinji saved in 2.0 go again?

2013-04-29, 08:37	Link #730
Zekori Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	To be honest, I have no idea why they even bothered with the Rei clone in the narrative of 3.0 They already built up Rei in 2.0 ~ 3.0, except they are trying to do the very same with Rei-2. Going further back onto discussion, I still stand by my opinion that this is a terrible movie. You can be perfectly dark and have a plot that leaves so many unquestioned answers that leave you wanting to know "what", like NIER is a perfectly good example. Spoiler for Long, but in case of spoilers I guess.: 3.0? It's trying too hard to be surreal, vague, shocking, deep, and artsy. There's nothing wrong about that, except for the fact it lacked execution. 2.0 pulled it off pretty well with the Water Purification Lab or how the Geofront city worked in its scenery porn moments. This movie, however spent way too much time padding with shots of the ruined earth, or other arbitrary stuff that could have been used to lead into exposition or more effect means of presenting the story. My biggest beef is actually character development, it goes right out the window. Everyone, except Gendo since he pretty much never established a character outside of being a prick and that gets a pass because fans are supposed to know his background. Since Shinji is the main character, its a bit crap when the character takes a complete 180 from any development he had in the last two movies, and literally acts like a video game character becoming retarded during a major cutscene. So much that its portrayal is reminiscent of a really bad fan fiction or one of those crappy Evangelion spinoff manga's. Other things that are out there, that are just - "Curse of Evangelion", really? Really? Frivolous in-joke or not, if they were going to have a time skip at least let them age. You could have had Mari/Misato trolling Asuka for being twice the age of her crush and having terrible UST or some crap. But nope, too lazy to come up with character designs (despite creating Misato's crew for their total of 2~4 minutes of total appearance time) or catering to the most terrible niche fan base there is. - Magic Floating Ship using EVA1 (specifically, since it "awakened" aka probably a physical god at this point or something) and the crew being able to strap that thing on and hook it up in an insanely ridiculously low amount of time? The laser cannons didn't even malfunction because they basically have the freaking Zohar, yet were calibrated to perfectly- ah whatever, I'm done. It's retarded. I don't know why I bothered typing all this crap anyways.

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