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Jan-Poo · 2013-09-30, 14:41

I think the most silly part of the "despair" disaster is that someone actually went all the trouble to modify world wonders with the effigy of Monokuma, that's not something that people in despair would do, rather fanatic enthusiasts.
The fact that then everyone wears masks of Monokuma is yet another thing that doesn't mesh well with the despair theme. This doesn't look like a world filled with despair to me, more like a world where some kind of retarded anarchic cult took over.

Solitaired · 2013-09-30, 15:23

Well, that was never explained in any source material so far. But there can be only 2 explanation. Either the "cult" worships SHSL Despair to an extreme extent, or SHSL Despair itself has it's own artistic preference with regards to the world's environment. They have practically taken over the world after all.

Preciize · 2013-09-30, 16:49

Not sure if anyone already said this, but maybe it's as simple as people are being controlled by the masks. Maybe the masks were advertised, say, for Halloween and once people put them on they could be controlled by Junko. Then Junko orders those people to go around putting the Monobear masks on others who haven't worn it yet.

~Yami~ · 2013-10-01, 02:02

I must say... the most despairing thing from this anime is they're actually classmate for 2 years.. then they're killing each other
That's just painful....
too bad that anime didn't pursue about that stuff

Solitaired · 2013-10-01, 02:50

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Originally Posted by Preciize

Not sure if anyone already said this, but maybe it's as simple as people are being controlled by the masks. Maybe the masks were advertised, say, for Halloween and once people put them on they could be controlled by Junko. Then Junko orders those people to go around putting the Monobear masks on others who haven't worn it yet.

Umm no. It is very clear that despair is spreading and influencing the world (refer to my previous posts). Unless, the masks have a despair hypnosis function in it. There is no way the masks can control them. Don't forget, it is mentioned by Kyoko that SHSL Despair may not be just Junko and Mukuro alone. If it's really made up by the two, then Junko is a super duper villain, then you thesis might be right. If not, there are other SHSL Despair out there.

White Manju Bun · 2013-10-01, 09:24

Finally watched it, Ill say out of all the epis this was probably my least fave, it was set up so easily that Junko would be found guilty and that she was going to enjoy dying. The "Hope" bullets were....stupid. I didnt like them throughout the series, really didnt like them in this one.

I did like the the only person who Naegi didnt have to use a bullet on was Sho

Althought he's an ass Im glad Byakuya lived

Jan-Poo · 2013-10-01, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Solitaired

Unless, the masks have a despair hypnosis function in it.

And how exactly is one supposed to think that that would be too ridiculous to be true?

Preciize · 2013-10-01, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Solitaired

Umm no. It is very clear that despair is spreading and influencing the world (refer to my previous posts). Unless, the masks have a despair hypnosis function in it. There is no way the masks can control them. Don't forget, it is mentioned by Kyoko that SHSL Despair may not be just Junko and Mukuro alone. If it's really made up by the two, then Junko is a super duper villain, then you thesis might be right. If not, there are other SHSL Despair out there.

I think if Junko was able to erase people's memories, it's very possible she could use some kind of hypnosis function with the masks to control people. And why can't a Despair organization use the masks? Why can it only be possible with the twins alone?

AC-Phoenix · 2013-10-01, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Preciize

I think if Junko was able to erase people's memories, it's very possible she could use some kind of hypnosis function with the masks to control people. And why can't a Despair organization use the masks? Why can it only be possible with the twins alone?

Her despair being contagious is is the best explaination there is, see it as her ability as SHL Despair, I don't want to spoiler Dangan Ronpa IF though, so I can't eleborate on it.

Jan-Poo · 2013-10-01, 19:32

Personally the fact that the school was airtight (an air purifier was used) and the fact that Junko said that despair is contagious somehow made me think that there is an actual virus involved.

However it's not really conclusive, it might be that the school being airtight was done as a way to prevent some hooligan outside from killing them all with poisonous gas after finding the air ducts.
Well I'm actually not sure how much this makes sense anyway, because this isn't a bunker what we're talking about right? It's a very tall building so air ducts could be placed on the top.

If they feared some kind of external attack there's still the chance that they will use explosives or even tanks. The school must either have some kind of defenses (in which case they might as well protect air ducts) or a heavy attack from outside isn't expected.

AC-Phoenix · 2013-10-02, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Personally the fact that the school was airtight (an air purifier was used) and the fact that Junko said that despair is contagious somehow made me think that there is an actual virus involved.

However it's not really conclusive, it might be that the school being airtight was done as a way to prevent some hooligan outside from killing them all with poisonous gas after finding the air ducts.
Well I'm actually not sure how much this makes sense anyway, because this isn't a bunker what we're talking about right? It's a very tall building so air ducts could be placed on the top.

If they feared some kind of external attack there's still the chance that they will use explosives or even tanks. The school must either have some kind of defenses (in which case they might as well protect air ducts) or a heavy attack from outside isn't expected.

It has sentry turrets. (Seriously)

Spoiler for Cut-Content:

Solitaired · 2013-10-02, 02:22

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Personally the fact that the school was airtight (an air purifier was used) and the fact that Junko said that despair is contagious somehow made me think that there is an actual virus involved.

However it's not really conclusive, it might be that the school being airtight was done as a way to prevent some hooligan outside from killing them all with poisonous gas after finding the air ducts.
Well I'm actually not sure how much this makes sense anyway, because this isn't a bunker what we're talking about right? It's a very tall building so air ducts could be placed on the top.

If they feared some kind of external attack there's still the chance that they will use explosives or even tanks. The school must either have some kind of defenses (in which case they might as well protect air ducts) or a heavy attack from outside isn't expected.

The reason why the outside air is dangerous is more likely due to the fact that a man made apocalypse as occurred. Random murders being one thing, there are also despair terrorism as well. Given the level of destruction shown, I wouldn't be surprised if bomb strikes, bio warfare, or radiation hazards have happened. The sky is practically red in the video clips which show that the environment is very bad. Contagious despair in this case is more of an influence rather than a virus.

The game is set up by Junko as SHSL Despair. With despair becoming a majority of the world's population, and the events in the school being telecasted live, only hope will try to attack the school to save the students. Those people are shot down at the gates, creating more despair. If Junko is treated as a Despair God, then it is unlikely any attacks to the school is done by the despair side.

Jan-Poo · 2013-10-02, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Solitaired

The reason why the outside air is dangerous is more likely due to the fact that a man made apocalypse as occurred. Random murders being one thing, there are also despair terrorism as well. Given the level of destruction shown, I wouldn't be surprised if bomb strikes, bio warfare, or radiation hazards have happened. The sky is practically red in the video clips which show that the environment is very bad. Contagious despair in this case is more of an influence rather than a virus.

The game is set up by Junko as SHSL Despair. With despair becoming a majority of the world's population, and the events in the school being telecasted live, only hope will try to attack the school to save the students. Those people are shot down at the gates, creating more despair. If Junko is treated as a Despair God, then it is unlikely any attacks to the school is done by the despair side.

You are looking at the situation from the wrong assumption. The school being turned as a shelter wasn't Junko's idea to begin with. Rather the school was supposed to hold its ground indefinitely in face of the disaster that occurred in the rest of the world.

If you put bomb strikes or any kind of organized military attack in the picture the headmaster's plan was bound to fail.
Either Kirigiri (father) was a fool, or the apparent situation didn't lead him to expect anything more than a mass of mindless zombie-like rioters.

What I'm basically trying to do is speculating on what the big disaster could have been by analyzing the countermeasures adopted by Kirigiri. For example the fact that the school was barricaded and fortified means that he was expecting some kind of attack, however the fact that he chose a tall building rather than a bunker and that he didn't choose to flee in some other isolated place to me suggests that he wasn't expecting an organized military attack. Because there's no way they could have resisted bombings indefinitely.

So the remaining question is why he deemed necessary to make the school airtight and create an air purifier to sustain the people inside.

Solitaired · 2013-10-02, 23:24

I see. Sorry for misunderstanding.

In the game, there are actually 2 incidents that occurred. The first is mentioned way back in the earlier episodes where there is a note saying that the school is closed down due to "The Worst Incident in Kibougamine Academy History". The second incident is the despair apocalypse. Both happens while the cast is still in school, but I won't say which came first. So the school is practically the most reasonable choice for the headmaster. I have also stated previously there is an important reason why only these students plus the headmaster is involved in the shelter project, instead of the entire school. But that is major spoilers for the sequel.

The shelter project is basically for the students to live in the school till the end of apocalypse or eternity. The video shows their consent. Thus the abundant food supply and air purifier (I don't think it mentioned how food is stocked up, but I guess the headmaster and Junko has their methods). The sealing up of the doors and windows are done by the students themselves. The rest are all installed by Junko.

Jan-Poo · 2013-10-03, 01:12

Well the story also doesn't seem to mention if they have a water purifier as well or if they get water from somewhere and also where do they get the energy from. Though I suppose there's simply some kind of generator with a huge reserve of gasoline or such.

There's also a limit to how long food can be preserved and only a very limited variety can last for more than 50 years regardless of the system used. But then again we got giant carnivorous plants, memory erasers, extremely advanced robots and AI, why should I be surprised if they got some kind of futuristic food preservation system?

At any rate unless I'm mistaken the school was supposed to be completely self-sufficient.

Dengar · 2013-10-03, 14:32

All we know is that "Each night, the kitchen is somehow restocked".

Sheba · 2013-10-04, 08:41

That was the most terribly and poorly portrayed apocalypse ever. Tyler Durden's plan to bring down civilization was more sound, a Zombie apocalypse and the rage plague from the 28... Later movies were more believable.

Liddo-kun · 2014-10-25, 09:55

Voted perfect 10

Watched the final episode today. Still very surprised that Enoshima is the final villain for season 1. She really did a good trick faking her death on a previous episode. Naegi did succeed in the end.. I just hope they won't simply get killed when they step outside. Also glad that my favorite character, Kirigiri-san survived.

And one last thing, there's still one more person controlling Monobear.. must watch season 2!!

We are also now planning for one of my friends to cosplay as Junko. I just hope our remaning money is enough. ><
Miku Izayoi costume (from Date A Live) took a lot of our budget...

Levani · 2014-10-26, 05:17

There is going to be a season two about the second game?

Liddo-kun · 2014-10-26, 07:53

Guess I got carried away by the rumors of a season 2... haven't seen an official announcement yet.

I do hope there would be a s2.

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2013-09-30, 14:41	Link #81
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	I think the most silly part of the "despair" disaster is that someone actually went all the trouble to modify world wonders with the effigy of Monokuma, that's not something that people in despair would do, rather fanatic enthusiasts. The fact that then everyone wears masks of Monokuma is yet another thing that doesn't mesh well with the despair theme. This doesn't look like a world filled with despair to me, more like a world where some kind of retarded anarchic cult took over. __________________

2013-09-30, 16:49	Link #83
Preciize Them Feels~ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: United States	Not sure if anyone already said this, but maybe it's as simple as people are being controlled by the masks. Maybe the masks were advertised, say, for Halloween and once people put them on they could be controlled by Junko. Then Junko orders those people to go around putting the Monobear masks on others who haven't worn it yet. __________________ MyAnimeList

2013-10-01, 19:32	Link #90
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Personally the fact that the school was airtight (an air purifier was used) and the fact that Junko said that despair is contagious somehow made me think that there is an actual virus involved. However it's not really conclusive, it might be that the school being airtight was done as a way to prevent some hooligan outside from killing them all with poisonous gas after finding the air ducts. Well I'm actually not sure how much this makes sense anyway, because this isn't a bunker what we're talking about right? It's a very tall building so air ducts could be placed on the top. If they feared some kind of external attack there's still the chance that they will use explosives or even tanks. The school must either have some kind of defenses (in which case they might as well protect air ducts) or a heavy attack from outside isn't expected. __________________

2013-10-03, 01:12	Link #95
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Well the story also doesn't seem to mention if they have a water purifier as well or if they get water from somewhere and also where do they get the energy from. Though I suppose there's simply some kind of generator with a huge reserve of gasoline or such. There's also a limit to how long food can be preserved and only a very limited variety can last for more than 50 years regardless of the system used. But then again we got giant carnivorous plants, memory erasers, extremely advanced robots and AI, why should I be surprised if they got some kind of futuristic food preservation system? At any rate unless I'm mistaken the school was supposed to be completely self-sufficient. __________________

2013-09-30, 15:23	Link #82
Solitaired Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008	Well, that was never explained in any source material so far. But there can be only 2 explanation. Either the "cult" worships SHSL Despair to an extreme extent, or SHSL Despair itself has it's own artistic preference with regards to the world's environment. They have practically taken over the world after all.

2013-10-01, 02:02	Link #84
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	I must say... the most despairing thing from this anime is they're actually classmate for 2 years.. then they're killing each other That's just painful.... too bad that anime didn't pursue about that stuff

2013-10-02, 23:24	Link #94
Solitaired Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008	I see. Sorry for misunderstanding. In the game, there are actually 2 incidents that occurred. The first is mentioned way back in the earlier episodes where there is a note saying that the school is closed down due to "The Worst Incident in Kibougamine Academy History". The second incident is the despair apocalypse. Both happens while the cast is still in school, but I won't say which came first. So the school is practically the most reasonable choice for the headmaster. I have also stated previously there is an important reason why only these students plus the headmaster is involved in the shelter project, instead of the entire school. But that is major spoilers for the sequel. The shelter project is basically for the students to live in the school till the end of apocalypse or eternity. The video shows their consent. Thus the abundant food supply and air purifier (I don't think it mentioned how food is stocked up, but I guess the headmaster and Junko has their methods). The sealing up of the doors and windows are done by the students themselves. The rest are all installed by Junko.

2013-10-03, 14:32	Link #96
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	All we know is that "Each night, the kitchen is somehow restocked".

2013-10-04, 08:41	Link #97
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	That was the most terribly and poorly portrayed apocalypse ever. Tyler Durden's plan to bring down civilization was more sound, a Zombie apocalypse and the rage plague from the 28... Later movies were more believable.

2014-10-25, 09:55	Link #98
Liddo-kun is this so? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gradius Home World	Voted perfect 10 Watched the final episode today. Still very surprised that Enoshima is the final villain for season 1. She really did a good trick faking her death on a previous episode. Naegi did succeed in the end.. I just hope they won't simply get killed when they step outside. Also glad that my favorite character, Kirigiri-san survived. And one last thing, there's still one more person controlling Monobear.. must watch season 2!! We are also now planning for one of my friends to cosplay as Junko. I just hope our remaning money is enough. >< Miku Izayoi costume (from Date A Live) took a lot of our budget... __________________ Clearing 4 domain with Qiqi / MTGNexus - Magic Art Gallery / AnimEVO 2020 - EFZ tournament / Cool Japan Festival 2015

2014-10-26, 05:17	Link #99
Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	There is going to be a season two about the second game?

2014-10-26, 07:53	Link #100
Liddo-kun is this so? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gradius Home World	Guess I got carried away by the rumors of a season 2... haven't seen an official announcement yet. I do hope there would be a s2. __________________ Clearing 4 domain with Qiqi / MTGNexus - Magic Art Gallery / AnimEVO 2020 - EFZ tournament / Cool Japan Festival 2015