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ChainLegacy · 2013-02-26, 21:52

I'm not sure on the validity, but during my 'weed-imbibing phase' in college, I recall many pro-marijuana people using the argument about hemp being widespread throughout the world actually (including the founding fathers of the United States among those who grew it). I remember reading the Chinese medicine quote Don links above as well, but I also recall somewhere that the knowledge faded over time of this use. It is true though that the Indians used it as an entheogen, in particular the ascetics known as the Sadhus.

What Sumeragi says is quite possible, as though hemp and cannabis are of the same species, they are different cultivars with different traits selected. I'd assume were you to smoke the buds of industrial-use hemp, you'd have a very minor effect compared to cannabis that has been selected as a hallucinogen. So, even with widespread hemp use in Japan, unless the cultivars selected for psychoactive effects were present, there may have been no association with 'getting high.'

Vexx · 2013-03-03, 17:39

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Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

I wouldn't be so sure. I remember reading from Herodotus(written about 500 BC) that the Scythians from the Steppes of modern day Ukraine/Southern Russia would "sit inside an enclosed tent with hot stones in the center. They would throw hemp seeds upon the stones and howl with pleasure"(I paraphrase). Indians also had a long practice of using cannabis, and from my reading of Wikipedia, it's properties were well known to Chinese medicine, Shamans and Taoists. According to "Shennong Ben Cao Jing" "To take much makes people see demons and throw themselves about like maniacs. But if one takes it over a long period of time one can communicate with the spirits, and one's body becomes light".

That said, it may be that Soldiers popularized it outside of medicinal circles. That said, I can't imagine farmers could have not come across the recreational properties of hemp.

Burning the field after a harvest is usually a pretty good first clue

Marcus H. · 2013-03-04, 07:40

Hello guys! I heard that Alodia has become a member of a newly-formed idol group Super Dolls.
...Honestly, I don't think that this so-called idol group would last long. It's not like they would hold a candle against the likes of the already-established idol groups.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-08, 06:12

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Hello guys! I heard that Alodia has become a member of a newly-formed idol group Super Dolls.
...Honestly, I don't think that this so-called idol group would last long. It's not like they would hold a candle against the likes of the already-established idol groups.

Yeah, I heard that too. I don't know if that will bring honour to us with the fact that it's related to IDOL/Anime. Wait, does she have Japanese fans?

Anyway.. A question.

When did the "peace sign" became to be used in Japan during photo shoots? Is it related to WWII or something?

SeijiSensei · 2013-03-08, 07:10

In World War II it was the "V for Victory" sign and associated with Winston Churchill.

I've wondered how that became transformed into it signifying "peace."

NoemiChan · 2013-03-08, 07:19

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

In World War II it was the "V for Victory" sign and associated with Winston Churchill.

I've wondered how that became transformed into it signifying "peace."

So why is it being used in Japan as a very usual pose in pictures?

RRW · 2013-03-08, 07:27

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

So why is it being used in Japan as a very usual pose in pictures?

because it's a standard sign?

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-03-08, 08:05

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Anyway.. A question.

When did the "peace sign" became to be used in Japan during photo shoots? Is it related to WWII or something?

Is that even a Japanese thing...I see it all over the world

Ridwan · 2013-03-08, 08:11

History likes ironies a wee bit too much. I have a similar problem myself.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-08, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Is that even a Japanese thing...I see it all over the world

Well, true but I find it again very common in Japan, especially teenage girls...

RRW · 2013-03-08, 08:26

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Well, true but I find it again very common in Japan, especially teenage girls...

Well, true but I find it again very common in rest of the world, especially teenagers...

LeoXiao · 2013-03-08, 08:27

I find it especially common among East Asian girls, not so much others.

Sumeragi · 2013-03-08, 10:33

It's supposed to look cute. Need any other reason?

willx · 2013-03-08, 10:40

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Yeah, I heard that too. I don't know if that will bring honour to us with the fact that it's related to IDOL/Anime. Wait, does she have Japanese fans?

Anyway.. A question.

When did the "peace sign" became to be used in Japan during photo shoots? Is it related to WWII or something?

http://patrickmccoy.typepad.com/lost...se-custom.html

Couldn't find a shot of her actually doing a peace sign ..

That .. and I always thought of it as a "V" for "Victory" when used in the Japanese context instead of "Peace"

TinyRedLeaf · 2013-03-08, 10:46

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

In World War II it was the "V for Victory" sign and associated with Winston Churchill.

I've wondered how that became transformed into it signifying "peace."

Just make sure you don't flash a reverse-V sign in a British pub, or you may well spark off a violent bar brawl.

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The Rude Reverse peace sign derives from the Hundred Years' War.

Incensed by the losses inflicted by English archers, French knights would cut off the middle and index fingers of any archer they caught, to prevent them from ever pulling a bowstring again.

So, it became popular among English veterans who survived the war to taunt the French by showing them the two fingers, in effect saying: "Ha, I can still shoot you with my two fingers, Frog!"

Today, the sign simply means: "F*ck off, you twat."

SaintessHeart · 2013-03-08, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

It's supposed to look cute. Need any other reason?

I thought it is a warning sign to guys, "We are cute, but if you offend us, we will cut that off."

Sumeragi · 2013-03-08, 11:52

You mean you have something I can cut off? I thought you didn't have it.

SaintessHeart · 2013-03-08, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

You mean you have something I can cut off? I thought you didn't have it.

I was referring to the, uh, great which synonym of that is R18?No matter, as a guy I do have that.

I actually heard that from a female friend of mine long time ago, when one of us boys asked that same question. She wasn't happy when another guy gave a flippant explanation of "Act cute mah".

ChainLegacy · 2013-03-08, 16:12

Yeah, I always thought the incessant peace sign thing was kinda goofy. I'm pretty sure I've heard them say 'peace' so I don't think it's v for victory. Not that I'm one to talk; I used to flash the peace sign myself in every photo when I was a little kid up to like age 10. I had no idea that Japanese girls did it, just one of those weird little kid things lol.

Interesting history about the reverse two finger sign, I'd seen it and recognized it as an insult, but never knew for sure.

SaintessHeart · 2013-03-08, 17:31

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Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

Yeah, I always thought the incessant peace sign thing was kinda goofy. I'm pretty sure I've heard them say 'peace' so I don't think it's v for victory. Not that I'm one to talk; I used to flash the peace sign myself in every photo when I was a little kid up to like age 10. I had no idea that Japanese girls did it, just one of those weird little kid things lol.

Interesting history about the reverse two finger sign, I'd seen it and recognized it as an insult, but never knew for sure.

Actually, I still find it cute. Maybe it's because I am a lolicon that is why I find it so

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ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	I'm not sure on the validity, but during my 'weed-imbibing phase' in college, I recall many pro-marijuana people using the argument about hemp being widespread throughout the world actually (including the founding fathers of the United States among those who grew it). I remember reading the Chinese medicine quote Don links above as well, but I also recall somewhere that the knowledge faded over time of this use. It is true though that the Indians used it as an entheogen, in particular the ascetics known as the Sadhus. What Sumeragi says is quite possible, as though hemp and cannabis are of the same species, they are different cultivars with different traits selected. I'd assume were you to smoke the buds of industrial-use hemp, you'd have a very minor effect compared to cannabis that has been selected as a hallucinogen. So, even with widespread hemp use in Japan, unless the cultivars selected for psychoactive effects were present, there may have been no association with 'getting high.'

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LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	I find it especially common among East Asian girls, not so much others.

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Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	It's supposed to look cute. Need any other reason?

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Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	You mean you have something I can cut off? I thought you didn't have it.

2013-03-08, 16:12	Link #3059
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	Yeah, I always thought the incessant peace sign thing was kinda goofy. I'm pretty sure I've heard them say 'peace' so I don't think it's v for victory. Not that I'm one to talk; I used to flash the peace sign myself in every photo when I was a little kid up to like age 10. I had no idea that Japanese girls did it, just one of those weird little kid things lol. Interesting history about the reverse two finger sign, I'd seen it and recognized it as an insult, but never knew for sure.