(L) Girls und Panzer

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[Marina2]

Rabbit team need more love. I really like them especially Ayumi and Saki

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[chupiler]

Originally Posted by Marina2

・園 みどり子(そど子)
・後藤 モヨ子(ゴモヨ)
・金春 希美 (パゾ美)

Sono Midoriko
Gotou Moyoko
Konparu Nozomi

Sodoko, Gomoko, Pazomi... Sodom, Gomorrah, Pasolini, eh?

Originally Posted by Midonin

I'm more surprised they're all different people. I thought it was Sodoko and her other two previously unmentioned triplets. This is what happens when you recruit background characters.

Yeah. Different people, yet so similar, plus having the same VA. Their eyes do look different, though.

[Chiaki_chan]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

http://twitter.com/garupan/status/276650983591911425
http://twitter.com/garupan/status/276651299498520576



Supposedly, the OST coming out December 26th will not only have the Ankou Song, it will also have KATYUSHA

Sugoi Katyusha !! thanks you for the new's I hope Full version for Katyusha and the cover image is really pretty

[Tak]

So I did some digging around and found some random facts... apparently, the carrier-schools in GuP are quite enormous.

Oorai's school ship is at least 7.6km in length, and its the smallest ship we've seen so far.

The USS Ronald Reagan, in service as of 2012, is only 338 meters long...

- Tak (Alright, do we have parking enforcements on the ocean?)

[Gravitas Free Zone]

The ships shouldn't be as tall as they are, but they... are. I mean, you'd be falling half a mile from the top of the deck to the waterline.

[Tak]

Well, the exact dimensions of Oorai's school ship is as follows:

Length: 7.6 km/7,600 meters
Beam: 900 meters
Draft: 250 meters

Yeah... a big but smallest ship.

- Tak

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Man, over 4 1/2 miles long. 4 times bigger than a freaking Imperial-class Star Destroyer, lol.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

Man, over 4 1/2 miles long. 4 times bigger than a freaking Imperial-class Star Destroyer, lol.

Yeah, and then I keep in mind that its the 'smallest' ship we've seen thus far.

Again man, where the hell is parking enforcement!

- Tak

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Yeah, St. Gloriana's alone looked to be at least 3 to 4 times bigger than Oarai's.

[Ithekro]

The T-34 was build in massive numbers, but also lost in massive numbers against German armor. The ration seems to be by wars end something like three T-34 destroyed for every one German tank of any description. In addition to the other Soviet armor destroyed that aren't T-34s. A 37 mm gun can penetrate the turret armor on some T-34/85s due to poor cast quality of the armor used in some production centers. Otherwise on an older T-34 all it would be good for is jamming the turret.

This means even the M3 secondary weapon and the Type 89 can hurt the T-34/85s.
The Char B1 shouldn't have problems either with its secondary 47mm cannon and main 75 mm howitzer.
(The Panzer 38(t) would be a threat as well...but Momo's the gunner)

[breno.m.fis]

Man, those ships are really huge. A curiosity is that in fact there are projects of floating cities with capacity to house tens of thousands of people, but they are circular and made of a type of plastic.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The T-34 was build in massive numbers, but also lost in massive numbers against German armor. The ration seems to be by wars end something like three T-34 destroyed for every one German tank of any description. In addition to the other Soviet armor destroyed that aren't T-34s. A 37 mm gun can penetrate the turret armor on some T-34/85s due to poor cast quality of the armor used in some production centers. Otherwise on an older T-34 all it would be good for is jamming the turret.

More than 50k T-34s were produced until the end of the war in 1945. Keeping that in mind however, on average, for every 5 T-34 produced, there were 4 losses.

Overall Soviet tank losses in the Eastern Front was between 85k to 100k, or more than twice than Germany's total tank production. Tiger kill ratio in the Eastern Front was on average 1:5 or 1:6.

Although known as a cheap AFV produced in massive quantities, I would like to point out that price in a command-economy almost has no meaning. And any factories efficiently equipped would be able to produce just about anything in large quantities.

Take for example, the Sherman, produced nearly as much as their Soviet counterpart. Unfortunately, people don't seem to give the Shermans that much credit when compared to the T-34. Yet overall, I consider the Sherman to be a better weapon system. Why? Aside from comparable weapons, the Sherman had better optics, better internal layout/legroom and... *gasp* radio (which many T-34 actually lacked). All these additions were also enjoyed by German panzers. In addition, the M4 Sherman were simply more reliable.

- Tak

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Marina2

Talking about destroying a tank gun, as non tank expert, I would like to ask: How strong is a tank gun compare to other part of tank?
- Can a shot from type89 destroy or bend other tank gun??
- Can Panzer IV's old gun destroy Tiger's gun???
- Is aiming to destroy the gun of other tank common in the real battle?

If you can't knock out a tank from the front, it's usually more profitable to try to sneak around for a shot at the sides than to go for targets like the gun. Tank guns are pretty tough since they have to take the stress of firing, but they're usually more fragile than armor, and they're pretty difficult to hit on purpose.

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

...if it has a working gun is not... it worth's abandoning.... It'll be a burden to protect a tank that can't even protect it self.

A vehicle without offensive capability can still scout.

Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

A rules consideration: Crews have obviously dismounted while the event is "on." (The Pravda spotters, Mako to drive the B1). It looks like most of the StuG's track was left outside the church. Humans cannot be deliberately shot at, but then what do you do if you see dismounted crew roaming the playing field to do things?

Anyone outside of a vehicle in combat is probably covered either under a vehicle abandonment or gamesmanship rule, and they'd be considered hors de combat. It's okay to be out of a vehicle while the enemy can't shoot at you, but it's different to deliberately abuse the safety rules to gain an advantage.

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

The CR version cuts out after Katyusha threatens banishing a member of her squad if they get knocked out, and Nonna rebuts her that all it really means is extra lessons. The next scene, rather than the song, is the Pravda girls scouting Ooarai's tanks as they pass.

Ouch.

Originally Posted by Znail

That is so weird. Wouldn't that also involve the Tchaikovsky background music as well then? Or is is simply the number of years he have been dead compared to the mere few decades for the authors of Katyusha? It's also a bit amusing with US being the only country where this specific copyright is enforced.

"Katyusha" isn't very old for a folk song. It was penned in 1938, so it could still be caught up in copyright laws. Tchaikovsky's music is much older, so there aren't any problems.

Originally Posted by Tak

So I did some digging around and found some random facts... apparently, the carrier-schools in GuP are quite enormous.

Oorai's school ship is at least 7.6km in length, and its the smallest ship we've seen so far.

The USS Ronald Reagan, in service as of 2012, is only 338 meters long...

- Tak (Alright, do we have parking enforcements on the ocean?)

At 20x the length, the school ship would have 8000 times the volume and mass. It would be far easier for us to send a manned crew to Mars than to build something like this.

Who gets jurisdiction on the ocean?

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The T-34 was build in massive numbers, but also lost in massive numbers against German armor. The ration seems to be by wars end something like three T-34 destroyed for every one German tank of any description. In addition to the other Soviet armor destroyed that aren't T-34s. A 37 mm gun can penetrate the turret armor on some T-34/85s due to poor cast quality of the armor used in some production centers. Otherwise on an older T-34 all it would be good for is jamming the turret.

You need to bear in mind that the Germans accounted their tank losses differently than other countries. If a tank was knocked out, but could be repaired and returned to service, it wasn't counted as a loss. And a lot of German vehicles were listed as lost to other causes (mostly abandoned or broken down) rather than due to combat. Finally, most tank losses aren't inflicted by other tanks - mines, artillery (both field and anti-tank), infantry and breakdowns each account for as many lost (or more) as tanks.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

This means even the M3 secondary weapon and the Type 89 can hurt the T-34/85s.
The Char B1 shouldn't have problems either with its secondary 47mm cannon and main 75 mm howitzer.
(The Panzer 38(t) would be a threat as well...but Momo's the gunner)

Even the tanks with poor quality armor aren't weak all-over; usually it's just a few weak points, and you'd still want to use something more powerful than a 37mm gun. The Type 89's 57mm gun is right out of the question.

The French 47mm tank-mounted guns don't have much more penetration than a standard 37mm, and the 75mm it has is a low-velocity gun that's barely any better. Moreover, that 75mm gun is hull-mounted and has no traverse (as opposed to the StuG III's gun with 25-degree lateral traverse) so it's not the greatest weapon to use.

Originally Posted by Tak

Take for example, the Sherman, produced nearly as much as their Soviet counterpart. Unfortunately, people don't seem to give the Shermans that much credit when compared to the T-34. Yet overall, I consider the Sherman to be a better weapon system. Why? Aside from comparable weapons, the Sherman had better optics, better internal layout/legroom and... *gasp* radio (which many T-34 actually lacked). All these additions were also enjoyed by German panzers. In addition, the M4 Sherman were simply more reliable.

- Tak

Most of those problems had been fixed by the time the Soviets built the T-34/85. There were some Red Army units that operated Lend Lease Shermans, and they seemed to like the 76mm variants well enough, but I think they still preferred the T-34/85 for having a better HE shell and a better range. They didn't seem to like the 75mm variants very much though.

[Ithekro]

A weak turret that can be penetrated by a 37mm shell was the point I was making, since it means even the lighter tank weapons can knock out a T-34/85. But only turret hits. Otherwise there would be abolutely no point in having a 38(t) or a Type 89 involved in this sport, as they aren't very useful against tanks fielded by the other schools.

The 37mm cannot penetrate the armor on the older T-34 turrets, but some reports that they can penetrate the armor on the T-34/85 due to softer metal used in the larger turrets (probably to save weight, but also due to metal shortages).

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

A weak turret that can be penetrated by a 37mm shell was the point I was making, since it means even the lighter tank weapons can knock out a T-34/85. But only turret hits. Otherwise there would be abolutely no point in having a 38(t) or a Type 89 involved in this sport, as they aren't very useful against tanks fielded by the other schools.

The 37mm cannot penetrate the armor on the older T-34 turrets, but some reports that they can penetrate the armor on the T-34/85 due to softer metal used in the larger turrets (probably to save weight, but also due to metal shortages).

There was no point in Anzio fielding a tankette, but it did. It appears that anything you can put on the field that meets the safety standards is acceptable, no matter how useless it is.

I would not count on tanks that had real-life issues with poor metal in their armor having those issues in senshado. All of these tanks were built and rebuilt and repaired using modern alloys, and I doubt they're going to use poorly-made metal just because the original once did. I expect senshado tanks are built to the specs of the original, which many of the wartime tanks were not.

[Ithekro]

Scouting I suppose is viable. But fielding something like that against a "Russian" unit or a "German" unit that operate heavier armor (T-34s and Tigers), it makes very little sense to operate light tanks unless you have no other options (Oorai is literally scrapping the bottom of their ship looking for tanks).

[breno.m.fis]

I read several pages ago, about the rules that characterize what kind of tank can participate in matches and it seems that any tank produced until 1945 is allowed, it also seems that a tank is allowed to be repaired and even improved since that is done with concepts, technology and materials available until 1945, so no modern alloys.

[Ithekro]

Save for safey of the crew that is. This is not war, it is high school. So the crews are suppose to survive (which seems to be a flaw in Black Forest's training program, unless they are training for actual war after high school. Of which there is currently no suggestion of.)

Come to think of it, why have tanks as an elective in high school if there not used in warfare? Or have a JSDF trainer even? What does the world do with tanks after High School?

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Come to think of it, why have tanks as an elective in high school if there not used in warfare? Or have a JSDF trainer even? What does the world do with tanks after High School?

The thing is, does tankery end with High School? Are there adult leagues? There might be

Again, thinking too hard about the settings of this show is pretty much a folly. You cannot connect the dots, and the whole thing does not make a lot of sense

- Tak